Did we lose an issue with Condi agreeing to our demands?

[zebrathirtythree]

What's next on the short list if so?

[blm]

She didn't agree to "our demands"

and what an ODD way of saying she did.

[zebrathirtythree]

4. I don't understand

Myself and other Dems I work with demanded her to testify and we now have that demand so I don't get what you are eluding towards. Please spell it out for this slow old man.

[blm]

12. It wasn't a partisan issue. The Repubs on the panel wanted her to testify

and I question why you would characterize anyone wanting her to testify as a "demand" when that word denotes either arrogance or childishness.

Please explain.

[zebrathirtythree]

13. Protest signs demanded she testify

As for the rethugs wanting it that's a no-brainer...they want to survive duh.

The folks I hang with and all signs here on DU wanted (demanded?) her to testify so I don't get your line of drilling here.

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[H2O Man]

28. A couple of things:

First, the usage of the word "demand" was entirely correct. A demand is specifically a request made by one or more in a position of authority. Hence, when Senator Ted Kennedy demands Condi Rice testify,we recognize that he has the authority to make the request. If Rice agrees to the demand or not is not important to the proper use of the word. Next, when an American citizen like my best friend Zebra demands Rice testify under oath, he has the authority to make that demand. Believe it. This is America.Now, considering that you used this as a foundation to attack one of the most popular members of the d.u., I hope you will agree that Brother Zebra (at 33, no less!) isn't the one needing to say "sorry." I'm not sure what it is like on the republican forums (don't want to, so don't tell me) but on here, we politely request that folks be civil. Agree?

[zebrathirtythree]

32. Thanks

I agree with you completely.

[H2O Man]

33. Glad to, my friend.

Now, as far as Condi Rice testifying, we need to keep in mind that the administration said that as a matter of PRINCIPLE, she could not, would not, and should not testify in public under oath. Now, dang it all, ain't this the same administration that accuses Kerry of flip-flopping on matters of PRINCIPLE? As an old retired boxer/corner man, I would say the opponent has got a cut below his eye. The ref isn't going to stop the fight, but everyone in the audience sees the opponent is taking a beating! (And keep up the good work, Zebra33!!!)

[The Night Owl]

1. Huge loss

Remember... Condi's only job is to protect Smirk. That is what she has done and that is what she will do.

[Trajan]

2. No ...

The message from Clarke is out there ...

Now: .. others will add to this body of knowledge ....

Trust me: ... this isnt over .....

[rucky]

3. wtf?

we made her cave. she obviously doesn't want to do it.

how did we lose?

The time for storing up ammo is long past - we need to use every bit we've got.

[zebrathirtythree]

6. Thanks. I took it as a win too.

I have just heard some in doubt as to if it was a loss of an issue on the table since she has taken our demand and capitulated. Thanks for the vote of confidence.

[Another Bill C.]

5. Yup, the issue is gone.

When Rice, Cheney, and Bush go before the commission, their testimony won't matter a bit to the unwashed. The fact that they are there will be enough to absolve them in the minds of most independents.

[stopbush]

10. You're assuming that her testimony will be good.

It could make things even worse for the bushies.

[zebrathirtythree]

15. It could make things even worse for the bushies

I thought that was the plan. What could possibly be wrong with making things even worse for the bushies?

[alcuno]

16. It just keeps the story going on longer.

From a political perspective, it's currently a draw. From a national perspective, it's good for the country that she testify.

[blm]

24. What do you mean "plan" fer chrissakes?

WE didn't cook up some "plan" to make things worse for Bush. Bush is just plain "worse" all on his own.

We just want democracy to win.

[zebrathirtythree]

26. What do you think I mean by "plan" fer chrissakes?

You really think we are not out to smack bush for anything he does? How long have you been in politics?

Oh, we want more than democracy to win...we want Democrats running the show in case your are confused as to our goals.

[alcuno]

35. Dems are rarely unified enough to execute that kind of political plan.

There are many free-thinkers in the Democratic Party and value is placed on debate and the exchange of ideas. Of course Democrats will pursue any of Bush's weaknesses, but rarely in some highly organized fashion.

With this president, democracy will win if a Democrat is elected. As you are well aware, this administration has no record of accomplishments. Nothing. It would be a real loss for this republic if fear wins out.

[blm]

36. It was the rightwingers who "planned" against Clinton.

WE don't "plan" to bring Bush down with ginned up scandals and accusations.

Bush's crimes are against the Constitution and democracy itself.

WE don't "plan" against him to make him look worse.

[stopbush]

31. My post wasn't very clear.

We shouldn't assume that Condi's testimony will benefit the bushies. Her testimony could make things even worse for them...which is a good thing.

Hope that clears it up for you.

[onethatcares]

27. according to npr the deal is

condosleeza will testify, but the major players * and dickless won't do so publicly. They also codified that any other whitehouse administration officials won't have to testify either. It's a loss for us. These bastards will keep everything in the dark.

[angryinoville]

7. I hear what you're saying...

I don't think she'll have a problem lying under oath. The media and government don't have a problem lying to Americans every day. I also smell a rat.

[alanw]

34. She'll lie, allright..

Yeah, but the real question is whether he head will fall off when she does.

What is up with that, anyway?

[LisaM]

8. Lose an issue?? Not with her body language

I can't wait to watch her say "yes" and shake her head "no." Which she does more and more these days. *Myself* and the Democrats *I* work with (LOL) are looking forward to it.

[scarletwoman]

17. We may not SEE her body language!

According to info on another thread, the deal they made includes NO TV BROADCAST of her testimony, it will be broadcast on radio only. I'll try to find that thread...

sw

on edit -- here it is:

Just on radio, no TV

[FlemingsGhost]

9. "Our" only demand is for the truth to emmerge.

That demand has not been met... yet.

[LisaM]

11. What are you "eluding" towards?

Great laughs here.

[Gloria]

14. The Dems should make an issue of the deal the commission made

about no one else in the WH testifying if Condi does...

And....why are Bush and Cheney going to be in the same room?

There's enough to question....if someone would do it!!!

If it's all about image, Democrats should try to go after the image...

[lunarboy13]

29. Bush and Cheney

I think Bush needs Cheney there to feed him answers when he gets stuck. Remember, this is a guy who can't pronounce words with three syllables or more without intense practice. Besides, I think Dicky runs more of the show than people think and he might just try to answer most of the questions himself. Too bad this will happen behind closed doors. I wonder if there will be a future transcript we can read?

[bobbieinok]

37. also on DU - there are NO transcripts of Rice's previous testimont

[kaitykaity]

18. Clarke was not, and now he's not?

Either:

He joins O'Neil, Zinni, DuIlilo (sp?), Rowley, and all the other Bush critics who have spoken out and been attacked and destroyed by these criminals and their media puppets.

Or:

He keeps talking, and people keep buying his book, and . . .

[bullimiami]

20. i have to think the bushies think they can work this.

they are always up to something.
somehow they must think that this will help them or that they can use it to keep something more damaging under wraps.

they have made a lot of miscalculations lately, maybe this is another one.

[chelsea0011]

22. The after-fallout will be like a debate with the talking points flying

The Crooked Ones already have their talking points lines before one question is heard.

"She was totally honest"
"She was honest with her responses to the Clarke claims"
"She gave an honest assessment of the administration's policy towards Osama bin Laden."
"This administration had nothing to hide. Her testimony proves that we were doing everthing possible"

Any others?

[Nashyra]

25. It's all very

fucking simple, she will testify that she did everything that Clarke suggested and that they were all on high alert. So why doesn't some ask if they were on such high alert why the fuck did the chimp go on a fucking month long vacation?

[calimary]

39. That's about the same time Condi claims they were "at battle stations."

Well, it's consistent. bush's whole idea of being on the job is either going AWOL from his military service, or going on a month's vacation from his day job.

[gulliver]

30. She's overexposed.

Her talking points are all used up and boring. And people aren't stupid. They know the Bushians were forced into doing what they should have done all along.

When Rice testifies, you are going to see some serious sparks fly.

[BigBigBear]

38. I didn't demand it

I was quite content to have her sitting on her phony excuses indefinitely.

Clarke has nothing to cover or lie for anymore - only Condi does.

[Catherine Vincent]

40. The poster was tombstoned, don't waste your time responding.

Fucking freepers.

[Posinegativeman]

41. No, when we are done frying her butt we'll hit Powell

He is next on the Uncle Tom list...