Dragged bodies, dismembered bodies, hanged mutilated corpses!

[trumad]

Hearts and Minds, Hearts and Minds!

<snip>
Footage from Associated Press Television News showed a charred body of one of the slain men, and the targeted vehicles in flames nearby. Some of the slain men were wearing flak jackets, said Safa Mohammedi, a resident.

APTN footage showed one American passport near a body.

Another resident, Abdul Aziz Mohammed, said angry crowds dragged the bodies through the streets, dismembered them and hanged some of the mutilated corpses. One man beat a corpse with a metal pole. Residents tied a cord to another body, tied it to a car and drove it down a street.
http://abcnews.go.com/wire/World/ap20040331_170.html

[drhilarius]

1. Black Hawk Down.n/t

[trumad]

2. times one hundred

[Cassandra]

37. It only counts if there's a Democrat in office

Bodies mutilated with Republicans in office are a sign of progress. <sarcasm off> :puke:

[anarchy1999]

64. Fallujah, April 28, 2003

Last year I knew Fallujah was never going to be anything but a disaster for us all. This town made it through the initial "war" without anything happening. Then right after the "occupation" our occupying troops rolled into town. The townspeople came out onto the streets in protest and look what happened next.



The Killings At Fallujah


On Monday, April 28, the U.S. media focused on Donald Rumsfeld's trip to Baghdad, while a shocking event played out in a town just 30 miles to the west, where U.S. troops opened fire on Iraqi civilians, killing 15 people and wounding dozens of demonstrators protesting the U.S. occupation of their town.

Wire service reports are usually a good place to start. Reuters correspondent Edmund Blair filed the first report directly from the town of Fallujah. U.S. troops camped at a school in the town shot dead 13 protesters after firing live bullets into a crowd of unarmed demonstrators. His short article, "U.S. Troops Kill at Least 13 Iraqis--Witnesses," relies heavily on direct quotes from Iraqi witnesses, including a local Sunni cleric, who told Blair that the demonstrators had gone to the school to demand that U.S. troops leave the building so that the school could reopen. The cleric stressed that it was a peaceful demonstration and that none of the demonstrators were carrying weapons. The article ends with a single paragraph: "U.S. military officials did not immediately comment. But Qatar-based al-Jazeera satellite television quotes American troops as saying they had come under fire after asking the crowd to disperse and were then forced to retaliate."

Next came an Associated Press article by Ellen Knickmeyer, "U.S. Forces Return Fire at Iraq Protest," which, as its title suggests, took pains to present the viewpoint of U.S. troops to the near total exclusion of any Iraqi eyewitness testimony.

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=15&ItemID=3574


Last updated at: (Beijing Time) Wednesday, April 30, 2003
US Troops Fire on Iraq Protesters Again, Two Killed

US troops opened fire on anti-American demonstrators for the second time this week as Iraqis marched Wednesday to protest the previous shooting. The city's mayor said two people were killed and 14 wounded in the clash.

http://english.people.com.cn/200304/30/eng20030430_116092.shtml


May 1, 2003

Killings in Al Fallujah, City of Mosques
Has America Taken on a New Military Culture with New Rules that Allow Us to Kill Civilians at Will?
By SAM HAMOD

Al Fallujah is known in Iraq as the "city of mosques." There is a reverence for the holiness of the city and Muslim leaders made clear to American troops that they did not want them in their city. The US troops responded by saying they had to be there for "security." The Muslim leaders, led by Sunni Imam Jamal Mahmood, said they had their own security. The US troops were determined to stay. They say, Saddam had weapons factories there. The Iraqis say the "factories" have been destroyed and there is no need for the US troops to stay. This is a situation that the Americans cannot say is being fomented by the Shi'a or Iran because Al Fallujah has always been a Sunni stronghold.

What happened next has raised questions among Iraqis and many international Middle East experts. Crowds gathered and demanded the troops leave. As the crowds became louder and more insistent, the American troops fired into the crowd and killed 13 people and injured more than 20 more according to doctors at the local hospital. The American troops said they were fired on; but all other witnesses at the scene denied the gunfire came from the demonstrators. Today, 2 more people were killed and more injured, with the Muslims of Al Fallujah and the city officials saying no one shot at the Americans, the American troops claiming otherwise.

http://www.counterpunch.org/hamod05012003.html

[sniffa]

3. hoLy mogadishu!

[Aidoneus]

4. everything is going great

:eyes:

[maddezmom]

5. not sure it can get any worse

and then it does... :(

[fishnfla]

59. and it will

there will be an escalation of the conflicts. this thing is a far piece from being over

[Spentastic]

6. Well

According to President Fuckwit things are now so bad that we must have won right?

[acmavm]

7. Tell me again, what was the part about showering us with songs and

flowers? I'm having problems relating this news item and Wolfie's logic.

[drhilarius]

8. Rummy's going to dismiss it

like he did the looting.
"Of course their going to be burning bodies and dragging bodies through the streets...bu...but that's what a free people do...sometimes democracy is messy" etc.etc.etc.

[Minstrel Boy]

9. "They keep showing the same charred corpse over and over again...

I mean, how many charred corpses are there in Iraq?"

[Disturbed]

10. How many will it take?

How many dead Americans will it take for the
American people to speak out against the
colonization of Iraq?

20,000

30,000

40,000

50,000

* the # of Iraqi deaths or others don't matter to most Americans.

[izzie]

13. They are interesting Christians, to my way of thinking.

The more blood and guts the more the War party is for it.I find it down right scary, what they are doing in Iraq and how the right wing seem to feed off it. We seem to be back to this 'The only good Indian is a dead one' Use what ever name in place of Indian that the War party does not like today.Please do not let it be Northern Dem.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

15. How many dead to it take for Americans to turn against the...

...Vietnam War?

[Yupster]

20. Colonization?

Are Americans settling in Iraq? I sure wouldn't be one of them.

[hexola]

33. Iraq - the Christian's Israel!

Start your "settlement" today!!!

[polazarus]

47. I have been there

and trust me, you do not want to live there. Historically speaking, If you look at post WWII, we set up bases in the countries we fought against and we are still there 60 years later. It wasn't until after the gulf war when we started standing down Units in Germany. I would be totally surprised if we make the (currently stated I think July?) deadline of removing troops out of Iraq especially since some of the locals are fanatics that want to rid the world of infidels.

[Jacobin]

51. Silly me.

I thought our bases in Germany were to contain the USSR by having forward bases with U.S. troops. I didn't realize we were occupying Germany to keep them in line and to insure their security.

What was I thinking? Thanks for clarifying that we have only just pacified Germany and now can leave and let them govern themselves again.

I feel so ignorant.

[polazarus]

58. Attack at will if you must

We stayed there to get the country going again AFTER WWII. You are correct with the statement of forward bases for USSR that was another reason for staying there. We were there to provide security for West Germany against the Communist East Germany. So before the wall went down in 89-90, yes we were there to keep the East German's military in-line. Blah, Blah, Blah. Wall fell, I got to come home and say good bye to my favorite German bakery and my Favorite Local brewery.


I don't see why you would see this as a personal statement directed at you. If you disagree then please just simply state you disagree with out all the sarcasm. But I am well aware of the drill.

1. Poster makes a ostensible statement.
2. old timer attacks new guy.
3. New guy defends with colorful language.
4. old timer alerts mods and gets new guy tomb stoned.

Peace to you my friend. You don't have to feel ignorant. I have faith that you are at above average intelligence.

[Jacobin]

60. I thought you were comparing the occupation of Iraq

with the liberation of Germany. I don't see the parallels and thought maybe you would enlighten me on that.

We aren't in Iraq to protect it from other countries.
We are in Iraq to steal their oil.

We did NOT stay in Germany for 60 years to oppress them. We stayed long enough to get them on their feet.

The talking point spewed out by the RW that it will take 60 years to stabilize Iraq, like it took 60 years to stabilize Germany is justification for atrocity and theft and is not a rational argument.

That was my point.

[polazarus]

66. I used all those words

When I could have simply stated we are being strung along with no end in sight. My apologies.

[dawgman]

62. good job polazarus (great song) and

welcome to DU. We just aren't quite as liberal or as accepting as we once were.

[polazarus]

67. Thanks

Have a great day

[qanda]

21. I know I shouldn't laugh, because it's really *not* funny

But you caught me off guard.

[Fla Dem]

68. I am just so, so sad for those human beings and their families, and

so angry at the cabal in Washington.

[thebigidea]

12. "militarily insignificant" no doubt

[enki23]

56. gotta say, i really love your work.

.

[spinbaby]

11. On NPR this morning...

...they just briefly said civilians were killed. Nothing to see here. Move along.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

14. This may be a turning point in American opinion

if the media keeps showing this travesty. It's horrifying-winning their hearts and minds-yeah right! :grr:

Those poor kids!

[Mari333]

16. and I have to think daily that could be our kid

think about what every parent is going thru right now knowing this. Bush and Co sent our kids over there for their wealthy friends, and our kids are the ones who will be attacked and dragged thru the streets because the Bush admin sent them to a war for nothing.
I wont even tell my husband about this. He is sick as it is and cant stop freaking out.
Bush did this folks. Hes the killer in the White House.
http://www.bringthemhomenow.com

[The Night Owl]

17. For Bush, casualties are more material for his comedy routine...

Perhaps Bush can write some new jokes about the carnage in Iraq in time for his next black tie event.

:mad:

[Minstrel Boy]

18. "No mutilated bodies under there. Maybe they're up here..."

What an absurd nightmare we're living.

[Killarney]

19. But they were supposed to "welcome us as liberators"

:eyes:

[DemLikr]

22. What does mutilating charred, dead bodies say about the perpatrators?

Sorry to spoil the party on this thread, and god knows I despise our Iraq invasion, but come on, what kind of folks drag mutilated bodies behind their cars and poke at them until the guts spill out?

[sniffa]

23. it depends

if they're doing it to our guys, then they're terrorists.

if they're doing it to others (nonaLLies)then they're freedom fighters.

[KittyWampus]

26. Emotional Reactions From All Sides, I Fear

This being an election season... my main point is that Bush and Co. FUCKED THEIR INVASION UP ROYALLY!

It could have been done in such a way as to prevent much of this carnage and misery.

But the NeoCons needed their war when they wanted it and how they wanted it... come hell or high water.

[Auntie Bush]

35. RIGHT...even if we weren't ready and didn't have adequate

plans or troops. But, But, But the election was coming. Hurry up and vote...so if you are against the war we'll hold it over your head forever. Now hurry up and get this war going...it must be ended in time to win the next election. (Isn't war great?) So let's get going!!! Avenge Daddy while your there and get my buddies and contributors lots of money through war profiteering. It's a no lose situation. Get Saddam NOW!

[diamond14]

27. it says that the perpetrators DON'T WANT US THERE !

and I can only hope that the shrub gets that message and BRINGS OUR TROOPS HOME NOW !

[0007]

29. Perhaps you'd do the same if you witnessed your family

destroyed for just being alive.

This scene tells me that these folks are pissed.

[DemLikr]

46. Perhaps. I doubt that the pickers and pokers and draggers did it

out of moral outrage. It is the apalling grossness and vomit-inducing gore of what they were doing, standing there lookiing and poking and prodding and...I mean, wouldn't you throw up or something?

There are base deviates everywhere, however, absolutely.

So does this excuse any of the maming and killing accomplished by U.S. bombs and missiles and bullets? No! But running, exposed colons spilling out of charred husks that were once human bodies might be expected to induce horror and nausea in a normal, empathetic person.

Some of the "outraged" folks instead dragged the bodies behind cars and made them the center of a party...disgusting, no matter who is doing it.

That's really all I'm saying.

[Cocoa]

38. mob beatings happen everywhere

not to be overly condescending, DemLikr, but people are the same everywhere.

Two mob beating incicents in Chicago in the past year, one in Milwaukee, I'm sure all regions of the U.S. have seen similar incidents.

[polazarus]

41. Uhhhh

Crazy people would be my first guess?

[diamond14]

24. caution: graphic photos as shown on all news media, and now shown here

Iraqis chant anti-American slogans as charred bodies hang from a bridge over the Euphrates River in Fallujah, west of Baghdad, Wednesday, March 31 2004. Enraged Iraqis in this hotbed of anti-Americanism killed four foreigners Wednesday, including at least one U.S. national, took the charred bodies from a burning SUV, dragged them through the streets, and hung them from the bridge. (AP Photo/Khalid Mohammed)




Iraqis mutilate a burnt body of a dead man believed to be a US citizen who was inside a car attacked in Fallujah. Furious Iraqis hacked up the charred bodies of two people, believed to be foreign civilians, and hung the remains from a bridge after their car was ambushed, saying this rebellious Iraqi town would be the 'cemetery' of US-led occupation forces.(AFP/Karim Sahib)




Flames engulf the remains of a person killed in Fallujah, west of Baghdad, Wednesday March 31, 2004. Gunmen in Fallujah attacked two civilian cars that residents said were carrying up to eight foreign nationals. The occupants of the cars were killed and their vehicles were set on fire. (AP Photo/Abdel Kader Saadi)

[Kazak]

25. Thanks, W*.

:eyes:

[Skittles]

28. I feel sick

absolutely sick.

[Mr.Green93]

30. Bring our Boys Home!

[i_c_a_White_Ghost]

31. Remember bush can't be bothered with numbers

he's no stat man...just a jerk!

Death to him is just another soldier off the payroll!:grr:

[lpbk2713]

32. Attn Smirky: ................ about that "Mission Accomplished" sign.

Where is it now shithead?

[hexola]

34. US to Saddam...HELP!!!

How did you do it dude...?

I think we are begining to understand why Mr. Hussien was a dictator.

[LuLu550]

36. I'm just wondering...

Do you think the Jews after WWII or Bosnians in the 1990s did this to their liberators??? Doesn't this kind of thing blow a hole in the whole concept that the Iraqis view us as liberators???

[Nihil]

54. I know what you mean but ...

... *some* Israelis did it to *some* of their liberators after WWII
(read up on the Stern Gang and their charming practices). Mankind has
great depths of hypocrisy combined with cruelty.

The only Iraqis who view "us" as their liberators are those who have
had a bribe/kickback/backhander/inducement to do so.

[UTUSN]

39. CNN: "We can't show it to you - too graphic"

They can't handle the truth.

[diamond14]

42. front page on-line Washington Post....links to a whole gallery of these

dramatic photos.....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/

when the people in Somalia dragged a dead American soldier through the streets...the photo made the cover of Time Magazine....

IMO, the more war photos that Americans 'see', the better....we pay for this with OUR taxes, so why not show people what WAR is all about....

show the bodies of the American soldiers being unloaded at Dover, and the funerals, and the KILLINGS in Iraq...show it all....

there is way too much pentagoon spin on this WAR....the 'happy Iraqi' public relations LIES comes right out of bush* minions...

[Mari333]

40. I beg DU to help me

please call your congress and senators right now, please and tell them to bring our kids home. Michael is right in Baghdad, and I know he is mortared all the time at the facility is he at, please please for me call and demand the kids come home now please please please I beg all of you try and understand my sense of urgency on this I beg you to call them I called Kerry and Kennedys offices and begged them and at least Kennedys office helped and listened to me more then Kerrys which is recieving thousands of calls now so please please call them all Repubs and Dems and demand they bring the troops home I beg you
Please. for Michael and the other kids over there
Please.

[redqueen]

43. One toll free no. is 1-877-762-8762 n/t

[sniffa]

44. i seek your heLp as weLL.

in the articLe it Listed a bomb attack that took 5 of our soLdiers... is there any word yet what company they were from? gracias.

i wiLL caLL ted & john.

[Dr Fate]

45. "cake walk" "they'll throw flowers" "Mission Accomplished!"

"Saddam caused 9/11" "We will GIVE thier oil BACK to them"

"War is GOOD for the economy" "WMDs- WMDs- WMDs- WMDs-"

etc, etc, etc

[HootieMcBoob]

48. How horrible

God how horrible.

[rocktivity]

49. All of a sudden, graphic coverage about the war?

Why--to justify anything that Rice and Bush/Cheney might have to testify to?

:headbang:
rocknation

[Jacobin]

52. I don't think these are allowed on Pravda

One must go to those awful arabs stations to see such unpatriotic pictures, showing what Murkins don't want their pretty minds to see.

[dawgman]

63. if it's on an arab station it must be liest that help the terraists.

[diamond14]

50. more photos up on Yahoo..."Most Viewed Slideshow'

under both 'Iraqi slideshow' on the left side....and under the 'Most Viewed Slideshows'


http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=index2&cid=702




An Iraqi man stands close to a charred human limb thrown tied to a brick onto an electricity cable in the flashpoint town of Fallujah. Angry residents armed with shovels mutilated the charred bodies of two people caught in an insurgents' attack and warned the rebel Iraqi town would be the 'cemetery' of US occupation forces.(AFP/Karim Sahib)


An Iraqi boy flashes the victory sign near a charred body hanging from a bridge over the Euphrates River in the flashpoint town of Fallujah.


An Iraqi flashes the victory sign as a charred body hangs from a bridge over the Euphrates River in Fallujah.

[northernsoul]

55. words fail me

those may very well be some of the most sickening photos I've ever seen in my life....

[eleny]

53. Well, now * has his Somalia

[Zinfandel]

57. Vulture contractors coming into an illegally invaded sovereign nation

to pick the bones of the Iraqi people and their resources, while capitalizing on Pentagon money deserve worst, sick fucks!!!

[fishnfla]

61. Truly, the gates of hell have been opened

God help us all.

[Snivi Yllom]

65. nasty nasty stuff