Civilian Contrators were from Private Security Company in NC, Iraq

[KoKo]

Atrocites. Could this have been Dyncorp?

Heard this on CNN where they were downplaying this saying the videotape was too grisly for viewing and that Bush Administration believes this will horrify the Iraqi people so much that it will have the opposite reaction and calm the terrorist activities.

When asked if this will be comparable to the soldiers in Mogadishu who were mutilated, the WH reporter said that "Bush says he will not let this be portrayed as comparable." (paraphrase).

Bigtime CNN Whorespin to play down this terrible event. And Wolf is definitely participating in the spin.

They went to pump up the Condi Story leaving the atrocities as just a small story.

[plurality]

1. In other words, mercenaries

...Remainder removed.

[stopthegop]

2. why are they scum?

just interested in your warped thinking process...

[plurality]

3. because they kill for money

They are no different than a mafia hit man, except that since their Dons make campaign contributions they're legal.

[stopthegop]

5. I see...a well reasoned position..

have a good day...

[el_gato]

14. mercenaries are scum

paid to kill for corporate imperialism

I will shed no tears for shitbags that are helping destroy the planet.

[stopthegop]

15. they probably don't need your tears...

or your hatred...oh wait...liberals don't hate, do we?

[el_gato]

20. hatred

why shouldn't they be hated
they are harbingers of death and destruction
the stereo type of cuddley liberals your pushing is rather laughable

people who profit from death desesrve to be hated

[Streetdoc270]

4. That was MAJOR Uncalled for!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have a friend that is working in Iraq/Kuait area as security for US military and he works out of NC. He is a Veteran MArine as well as a volunteer Firefighter and EMT. I am praying that he was not amoung the killed and I am OUTRAGED that you would catogrize my friend in this light!

[plurality]

7. sorry, there's no amount of money that could convince me to oppress

And that's exactly what these people are paid to do. $8,000 a month last I heard. If you ask me, they sold their souls cheap.

[Streetdoc270]

9. How is it opression

Providing security for American military bases and civilian offices? Besides that is the same argument that I would expect from a 'right to lifer' talking about the murder of an abortion doctor.

[plurality]

12. it's oppresion because they are an occupying force

Imposing their will on the native population. I imagine it's hard to understand seeing as how you're living here fat and happy without a care in the world. People that have to deal with tanks rolling through their streets, bombs falling on them, arbitrary raids and arrests know it first hand, and by the looks of it, they don't like it. I don't blame them, I wouldn't either.

[Jacobin]

11. Is the irony somehow lost?

When "security" must be hired for the "military" there is something that has gone horribly wrong. They are able to use bullets that shatter on impact (prohibited to soldiers by the Geneva convention). They have no rules of engagement. They are hired hitmen and thugs.

the fact that you know one of them in no way lessens the cravenness of their occupation.

I hope your friend is ok. I hope he can come home soon. His job is not morally defensible. He is protecting the occupiers of a nation we illegally invaded.

[qanda]

17. Why bother with people who post such vile, hate-filled rhetoric?

They are no different than Bush* and his minions. I hope your friend is okay.

[plurality]

19. yes, all the best to his friend

and everyone else trying to enslave the world. after all they keep our gas, and other products cheap so we can continue consuming, because that's what we do best.

[qanda]

21. What good does it do to wish death upon someone?

I spoke out and marched against this war because I figured that this is where it would end up. But I refuse to stoop to the level of finding joy in anyone's death. I could stand up and say I told you so and death to the invaders, but what good would it do? The vicious cycle of murder and hate continues. Who's gonna die tomorrow? I hope it's not my friend who is there, but then that just means that it's going to be someone else's friend or loved one.

[plurality]

23. Could you point me to where I wished people would die?

While I have removed my original post, it said nothing about wishing anyones death, instead it refered to the consequences of their actions. What I do wish is that the occupying troops, military and commercial, would excerise their free will and recognize that what they're doing is wrong and pack up their shit and leave. However, I also realize that my wishes will have exactly the same effect as saying, "Oh this is so horrible I knew this would happen, but since it's happening we might as well stay there." And that effect is zero. I doubt it will offer the Iraqis any comfort, who actually have to live through this hell that's been brought on them.

[qanda]

25. I'm with you in wanting them to leave

I'm sorry for saying that you wished them dead-- you're right that you never said that.

[plurality]

27. it's ok

Emotions run high on subjects like these, I let mine get the best of me, it happens to us all.

[KoKo]

6. Geeze, Wolf's whole show is about Rice/Clarke with pleasing video's

of Rice walking with Cheney, Walking with Bush smiling laughing.

He interviewed Slade Gorton about the 9/11 Commission spinning that this was just "nuanced differences" in viewpoint about whether 9/11 could have been prevented. The spin was "nothing to see here, move along, just some "differences of opinion."

Jamie Gorelick is up next. If he interviews her the way the did Gorton I wonder that we will ever have anything but spin between now and the November election.

I've not disliked Blitzer the past, but the last week he has shown where he stands on the Right, and he isn't to be trusted for anything fair.

[KittyWampus]

8. Your Sentiments Are Horrifying Similar To Those Expressed

in the mutilation of the corpses.

This is tragic ON ALL ACCOUNTS.

Why contribute to the hatred? It just feeds the negative energy we claim to reject.

[plurality]

10. you'll get no sympathy for the devil from me.

Those people knew exactly what they would be doing and the risks they faced. However, the threw all that aside in favor of a hefty salary. The only tragedy is that it'll take this a thousand times over before the US realizes it has no right to rule the world, and that people should be left to live as they choose.

Yeah, it's ugly, but it's funny, not too many people like being slaves, sometimes it causes them to do ugly things.

[KoKo]

13. Gorelick is saying Comission is totally "Non-Partisan." She's saying

alot is "opinion and emphasis" with the witnesses. She's complaining about getting access to papers. Wolf is saying the WHite House has turned over "Millions of Documents, and this Has to be Unprecidented!" (IOW, Bush is so forthcoming he's turned over more than the Warren Commission had to deal with).

Gorelick is saying Condi will testify and there are no issues of perjury
and it's important for the public to know what we've done about this.
She says if we are going to make sure this doesn't happen again the "public has to buy into it, and understand it."

Wolf is now saying there's no limit to the questions you are going to ask, is there. Wolf is putting words in her mouth saying it's the CIA and FBI's fault isn't it, in avoiding 9/11.

Gorelick is saying that unless you could put "boots on the ground" you couldn't have done anything about AlQuaeda and Taliban before 9/11.

Wolf says you aren't going to focus on Iraq are you? He says that's not what the Comission is charged with is it? Gorelick says the the investigation will cover up to September 20th. He then tries to paint that Iraq won't be the focus so Clarke's testimony doesn't matter, does it?

Sheesh........he was dreadful. PsyOp's is in control of his brain!

[KoKo]

16. Wow! I'm trying to report what Blitzer did on his show and I'm in middle

of a fight here.

I will be surprised if the "Mutilation" gets much coverage considering what I saw on Blitzer. This isn't the Clinton Admin. where this would be covered 24/7 and they don't wan't it known so much that these were private security folks. Most Americans aren't aware that we employ such folks...the cat would be out of the bag.

I think the story will be explained away or spun as "Hatred of Americans" rather than Iraqi's who don't want these "hired guns" roaming around their country.

[plurality]

18. I imagine they'd cover this up for any president, not just Bush

The media wanted this war, they sold it from day one. I doubt they'd like the public to know that they were complicit in the commission of war crimes. People might actually do something if they knew of the horrors we've brought to Iraq, and I guarantee those people wouldn't stop at Bush.

[lebkuchen]

22. This is how it's also being spun on CNNI

When Nick Robertson mentioned similarities to Mogadishu, the reporter said that the WH had denied it had anything to do with Mogadishu, that the U.S. wouldn't be leaving Iraq, no matter what, and the images, though powerful, would not be used as tools to change America's mind about a US presence in Iraq (PERIOD).

The Bush Administration has no problem using powerful images, such as 9-11, in its campaign ads to provoke a public reaction, but when the tables are turned, oh no, we can't have that. Just pretend the event never happened and move along.

I wrote two scorching letters to CNN.com and CNNI.

[annagull]

24. He * will not "allow" this to be compared to Mogidishu?

So the Bush* administration is in charge of our free speech and the news media? This is outrageous.

[SoCalDem]

26. I would bet on it.. Dyncorp was involved in the "shoot-down" in april '01

Private firms aid U.S. covert work

Critics say private military contractors on anti-drug and other missions are not held accountable.
Archive
By SUSAN TAYLOR MARTIN

© St. Petersburg Times, published April 29, 2001

http://www.sptimes.com/News/042901/Columns/Private_firms_aid_US_.shtml
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More than a week after a small plane was shot down over Peru, killing an American missionary and her baby, the tragedy remains rife with questions. Among them: Exactly who was on board the surveillance plane that targeted the civilian flight?

Were they employees of DynCorp, a major CIA contractor? Or were they employees of yet another company, with even less accountability to Congress and the American public?

Outrage over the deaths has focused new attention on the U.S. government's use of "outsourcing" -- hiring private companies like DynCorp to do a vast array of jobs, including such dangerous, controversial missions as eradicating the South American drug trade.

"These private military contractors are not held accountable for their actions," said Rep. Janice Schakowsky, D-Ill. "They may draw the U.S. deep into regional conflicts and civil wars."

Last week, Schakowsky filed a bill that would ban the federal government from hiring private companies or individuals to carry out military, law enforcement, armed rescue or related operations in Peru, Colombia and other Andean countries.

snip...

[DrWeird]

28. Tell me again why I'm supposed to be upset?

Or better yet, why I'm not supposed to be happy?

[KoKo]

29. Did these Private Security folks do something to the Falujan's?

I don't know for sure if it was Dyncorp, they said "private security firm in NC," and I speculated it could be Dyncorp. If it was, Dyncorp, though, it's possible the residents of Faluja had a bad experience with them and that's why they were targeted. :shrug:

We will probably never know the truth of it, if that's the case. :-(

[plurality]

30. actually DynCorp's located in Arlington, VA so it's probably another

Unfortunately there's no shortage of 'legitimate' business selling death in this country.