evangelical christians on the attack

[donsu]

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/local/8310304.htm?template=contentModules/printstory.jsp

Incensed by the city of San Jose's decision to recognize same-sex marriages, a group of evangelical Christians has hired a well-regarded Sacramento consultant to explore a recall effort or ballot initiative to overturn the action.

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Sacramento-based Russo, Marsh + Rogers will begin by surveying Silicon Valley attitudes before recommending a course of action, said Larry Pegram, a city council member for two terms in the 1970s who attends one of the churches involved, South Valley Christian. The firm's successes include the recall of former Gov. Gray Davis and the campaign for Proposition 22, the state initiative defining marriage as being between a man and a woman. The firm could not be reached for comment Monday.

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Political observers say it's not inconceivable the groups could collect the nearly 46,000 signatures needed to qualify a mayoral recall for the ballot. A referendum would take about 19,000 signatures.

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The organizing group includes the pastors of Family Community Church, Jubilee Christian Center, Cathedral of Faith, South Valley Christian Church -- who altogether preach to nearly 15,000 on a Sunday -- and other evangelical churches whose services attract 1,000 to 2,000. Interest in the campaign is reportedly growing outside that church coalition.
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what a hatefull bunch they are

[PROGRESSIVE1]

1. Evangelical "Christians" are a threat to America.

They are tyrants, they are evil, THEY ARE THE "AMERICAN TALIBAN"!!!

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[izzie]

2. You hit it on the head, they are scary.

And if people do not think so just look at history and you do not have to go back very far.You can not get it through their heads it is why we were not a church state. The founders knew the history and church states never set up a democracy in all the years pre the Am Rev.This was a new thing and the church es were not to run it. What are they teaching these kids in school to become such stupid adults? I learned that in grade school and so did my friends my age. Our founders came out of the enlightenment. Men had rights and not rulers given rights to rule them. They just don't seem to understand the Puritans and Mayflower people and what they did wrong. That people even had to leave Mass and start RI to get some freedom. Those were church run states and did not work, Even Calvin could not make it work and we know how Europe and the rulers and church ran that. This stuff drives me up a wall.

[outinforce]

6. Wasn't Dr. Martin Luther King

an evangelical Christian?

Didn't he try to work through the elctoral system, peacefully, to affect change - change which he felt God called him to make?

Was MLK scary, evil, and a tyrant?

Or was he also just part of an American taliban??

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[outinforce]

15. Why "Fascists"?

Why do you consider these folks to be "fascists"?

Is it only because they disagree with you?

And why do you think they should be characterized as "terrorists"?

Is that, too, only because they hold a different opinion from yours on a political issue of today?

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[SoCalDem]

3. Onward Christian Soldiers

These are the scariest people in the USA.. They are after the colleges too.. That nutcase Horowitz has dragged out his "Bill of Rights" for college teachers again.. They want to publicly list the voter registration of college teachers and have "monitors" in their classes to make sure they teach "balanced classes"..

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[Bandit]

16. Might be nice if there was a forum set up strictly for banned posts.

One where all could go and get an idea of exactly how some posters here think. Keeping the same rules in place of course and not allow the posts to be responded to but at least make them visible for all to see so we know who and what we are associating ourselves with. Just an idea.

[forgethell]

26. I like that idea.

I'm always reading about some Freepe flaming out, but when I go to check, nothing but deleted messages and tombstones.

[outinforce]

27. I Have Also Thought Of Suggesting This

There are times when a post gets pulled because (I think) it contains a "personal attack".

There have been times (and I know this may be difficult for some of you to believe) when people have posted personal attacks directed at me.

And sometimes those personal attacks against me have been deleted.

But I did not mind the personal attack -- someone else hit the alert button or the moderator felt that the offending post had to be deleted.

What I have thought of proposing is that if a post is pulled because it contains a personal attack, and if you are the person who was attacked, you might have the option of notifying the moderators that you wish to have the post returned for public viewing.

I know that there is one BIG downside to this idea -- and that is that it might encourage (or at least not deter) immoderate posts that could really hurt people.

[outinforce]

19. Please Delete The Post

Far be it from me to ever attack another person as being intolerant or bigoted.

That being the case, I think it only fair and appropriate to respectfully request, in the interests of consistency, that my post entitled "I Respect the Moderators Immensely" be deleted.

I still do, by the way, respect the moderators immensely.

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[MissB]

8. Well said, Outinforce

Even though I am an atheist, I have to agree with you.

Let's not brand all Christians with the same brush.

[outinforce]

21. Apparently Not

I guess it was not so well said after all.

[MissB]

23. Oops

I still agree with the sentiment!

[dawg]

10. Boo!

I'm one of those "Evangelical Christians".

Scary, ain't I?

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Seriously, though, this is no different from the predjudices the freepers have developed against Muslims. I don't take it personally, hell, I kind of share your frustrations, but attitudes like that will scare lots of Christians back into the arms of the republicans where they feel "welcome".

[BurtWorm]

13. Could you please explain the difference between evangelical and

fundamentalist? :hi:

[dawg]

17. Hmm ... lots of different opinions here.

I probably even qualify as a fundamentalist according to some definitions. Fundamentalists believe the Bible is "inerrent" and divinely inspired.

Evangelicals, I think, are members of denominations that focus on spreading the Gospel and making new converts. As a Southern Baptist, I definitely qualify as an evangelical.

[Bridget Burke]

20. Ready for some severe oversimplification?

Fundamentalists wish to follow the basic beliefs of their religion, as they see it. Some fundamentalists wish to be left alone; this would include the Amish & Mennonites, for example.

Evangelicals hope to convert others to their faith. Their methods range from friendly to obnoxious.

One can be one or the other--or both. Or neither.

[FlaGranny]

18. I suspect you are NOT the kind of evangelical Christian

that is being discussed in this thread, though - the Taliban-type "christian" whose actions and deeds are far so far from Jesus, that if he returned today, he would be, in a sense, "crucified" all over again. Give to the poor? Forgive? Love one another?

[BurtWorm]

11. The American Prospect has an article claiming most EC's are center to left

Most are deeply disappointed with Bush for being more conservative than compassionate. There's a difference between "fundamentalist" and "evangelical." I don't know what it is, but we should probably be careful with our terms.

(I say this as a confirmed atheist who believes Jesus is pure myth.)

[Bandit]

14. "Judge not lest ye be judged" ~ I think this applies to both sides.

:shrug: Let any without sin cast the first stone.

[dawg]

22. Whack!!!!!

(Sound of rock bouncing off your head!)

Just kidding!}(

[Bandit]

25. Isn't throwing stones at people a sin?

:evilgrin: Here have a :beer: on me.