600 | Fallujah

[nostamj]

600 | Fallujah

calloused to horror?
‘charred and dismembered bodies’
see: atrocities.

hate will not abate
and new deaths deepen the lie:
we did not choose war

an occupation
is not a liberation.
this must end: Stop Bush!

[cheezus]

1. um. was that a hikiu?

however it's spelled?

[nostamj]

2. well, i would call it a 'chained' haiku

using the 5/7/5 structure for individual stanzas in a longer poem

[Sugarbleus]

3. I was exceptionally grossed out by this recent attack on

aid workers in Fallujah<spelling?. We should NOT be in that place with our troops...it was a big scam to get us into that arena and we NEED TO GET OUT.

However, having said that and until we can get out, I must confess this recent attack put my tolerance level over the edge. It's one thing for Iraqis' to fight off foreign soldiers in a normal war scenario, but it's really another thing to be so cruel and heartless to attack people who are doing aid work in an area...Burning them, stoning them, dragging them through the street and allowing children to participate in that. Geeez The manner in which these creepy low class people did this thing is way beyond the pale. It sinks below all human dignity.

This kind of thing doesn't deserve any apologetics from the world community--the folks in that Iraqi area need to be put down! :grr:

[lectrobyte]

4. we invaded their country, what did we think was going to happen?

Oh yeah, something about rose petals. I'm sorry your sensibilities are so bothered by this, but keep in mind the thousands killed by years of sanctions and bombings. Creepy low class people? I agree, that whole "shock and awe" and "bring 'em on" always made the hair on the back of my neck stand up.

[Sugarbleus]

8. So, what do you propose?

As I've stated, we are in an illegal war...it should never have happened. We are there. We've killed innocents and that tears my heart out ALSO. It's all bad. I'm just really grossed out at the WAY some people "do war business"...that INCLUDES our own actions. There is no excuse for it...no justification. It is souless behavior no matter who does it.

I look at it this way: If another country came here with their occupation and we started to fight them back for obvious reasons, would YOU or I do something like what we saw today?

It's one thing to fight back in such a case as occupation and war in a conventional way, it's another to BRING YOUR CHILDREN to participate in some gruesome ritual from hell in order to kill your enemy.

Don't forget Somalia!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[theHandpuppet]

14. i'm sorry, but look at what we've put their children through...

You wonder why these kids are so desensitized to violence and death? We are reaping the crop we have sown, and therein lies the real tragedy.

[Sugarbleus]

16. The kids in Fallujah didn't go through the same things as others did

..like in Baghdad and elsewhere, for example. These kids are taught by their parents. Look what happened in Israel with that teenager; someone straps a bomb to his body and sends him to his death, only he was spared, thank goodness.

The area of this attack is the Sunni triangle, they weren't getting along with other's before we even got there. I obviously cannot hold to the opinion of doing anymore bombings...that's just not okay. But I think we think everyone is "pure in heart" in Iraq--nobody is pure. The so-called coalition has done some good things in trying to repair what WE destroyed. Let them do it. We owe that country for tearing it up. Then let's get out. One would have to be made of wood to not be disturbed by the blowing up of the Red Cross/Crescent or the UN.....they are NOT their enemy. Peacekeepers wouldn't stand a chance over there right now.

Certainly, it's a clusterf**k in Iraq but I don't see how denegrading non military workers and their deaths helps anything...what if it was one of my family that had just been skinned in that attack? Are we going to spit on the military when they come back AGAIN? I hope not.

[nostamj]

17. "Peacekeepers wouldn't stand a chance over there right now"

i agree.

not sure about the 'denegrating non military workers' line.

i don't think they much care about uniforms.

they've been whipped into blind hatred. against ALL americans. all.

there is no easy answer.

[Sugarbleus]

18. No easy answer, you're probably right...it's a sad thing. Peace

[nostamj]

5. "It sinks below all human dignity"

so does bombing innocent civilians in an illegal invasion.

10-20,000 of them. (we'll probably never know)

there are no heroes in this mess.

and, under *'s leadership, we brought it on.

[BillZBubb]

9. Did the attackers know they were doing aid work?

Were they REALLY doing aid work? I don't know. I thought one of them was State Department.

For all the Iraqi's knew it was just more occupiers. You seem so upset that four people were brutalized, yet don't put it into the context of a country where at least 30,000 had at least as gruesome a death from the Bush* war machine.

As for "putting them down", well, that's just real smart. That's what real occupations do. They'll be very nice to us after that.

[northofdenali]

10. They were armed, and IMO, not aid workers -

ex-military employed by a US security firm, Blackwater Security. See this post in GD: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1320346

Aid workers? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight...........

[BillZBubb]

12. Good point

I forgot that they were armed. As ShrubCo would say "armed combatants".

[DrWeird]

6. "armed combatants"

Is what we would have called the dead if the roles were reversed.

[nostamj]

7. and we wouldn't be wrong

they are 'armed' and they are 'combatants'

more appropriate is:

if it was the revolutionary war and the dead were the British, they'd be called patriots.

things are unimaginably screwed up there.

BECAUSE of bushco.

[DrWeird]

11. No, I mean the mercenaries.

they're combatants but they're not wearing uniforms. So to hell with the Geneva convention.

[northofdenali]

13. Well done, nost - well done.

So sad, so unnecessary, so brutal and so much the fault of that pResident and his henchmen.

[nostamj]

15. thanks

it's so ugly.

the response on this thread is surprising. (well, maybe I should have known)

this is physics. action | reaction

i am VERY concerned that it is a new 'tipping point'

that angry Iraqis will see this as encouragement and more more more will die.

make me sick.

note to self: poems on GD: bad idea

[diamond14]

19. bush* will escalate his WAR now...just like in Vietnam....escalation

to the point of a draft, and continuous carnage on both sides....bush* will do this in his attempt to show strength on his re-selection MAIN issue: the WAR pResident....

[nostamj]

20. ah... but bush* said this 'war' was over...

will he escalate the 'peace'?

george orwell spins and spins and spins....