OMG Incoherent musclehead joins CA recall race!

[Gringo]

It's official - Schwarzenegger is in.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030807/ap_on_el_gu/davis_recall&cid=511&ncid=716

:puke:
unbelievable.

[Trad Bass]

1. I thought you meant Gary Coleman.

Trad

[Wonk]

2. OMG! There's already half a dozen threads on this! OMG!

http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2003/03/rauch.htm

[Terwilliger]

7. Cat had a good poll...I should kick it for reminder :-)

n/t

[Gringo]

8. OMG! I didn't notice! OMG!

And yet people still reply! OMG!

LOL

[Wonk]

12. That's one reason I posted that particular link, too.

I can tell that you're an extrovert (not that there's anything wrong with that :-)).

[rwenos]

3. Don't Underestimate Ahhhnold

Don't misunderestimate Ahhhhnold. He's smooth, a good salesman, and has access to a lot of political wisdom from his wife's family -- if only listening to the banter at old Rose's dinner table!

Ahhhhnold is pro-choice and he can never run for President. He will appeal to the macho vote, and is smarter than he looks.

All that said, his coming into the race will likely keep Riordan out, and that helps Davis defeat the recall -- the most likely outcome in any case.

"It's destablizing."

[Phatfish]

4. why are you making fun of his accent

hes from austria. If they had to have one republican then Arnold would be far from the worse choice. I believe their are tons of people that are better equipped to handle the daunting task of governor other than him but to think that he is a dumb person or a bad person.... then I must :puke: on your original comment

[rwenos]

5. His Accent is Funny, that's Why

Arnold's accent is funny, that's why I emphasized it. Can you imagine a debate between Ariana Huffington (ex president of the Oxford Debating Society, by the way) and Arnold Schwarzenegger?

There are all kinds of accents in this state, but I'm a native and I'm not too thrilled with people who did not grow up here coming here and running for governor. Ronald Reagan was not a native, neither was Pete Wilson.

Don't you think a native Californian understands the state better than someone who moved here in adulthood?

[Phatfish]

6. I was refering to

the "dumb musclehead" comment which began this thread. Just look up at the RESPONDED TO "ORIGINAL MESSAGE" sign. We all have accents. Every single human that can speak on this planet has an accent of their spoken language(s). It is whether or not we are accustomed to that accent or dialect, do we then notice it and laugh at it.

[Gringo]

9. Arnold has been here thirty years

And taken scads of lessons to reduce his accent, and it's still thick at William the Refrigerator Perry's neck.

He is a republican, and thus deserves to be mocked for any thing mockable. He is also a cigar-chomping egomaniac. Can't stand him, except in his movies, where he always plays variations of the same character.

[rwenos]

10. Agree He's Not Dumb

Arnold's not dumb. Your remark is very politically correct, but it begs the serious question I asked, which was whether you (or anyone on this forum) thinks a native Californian (or, perhaps, someone who was born elsewhere but grew up here) is better suited to be governor than someone who moved here as an adult.

For example, who better than we, the products of the California schools, to know how good they once were, how good they still are in places, and how great they could be again?

[Phatfish]

14. as long as he has infused himself

with the american culture then I feel anyone can run for any office. By american culture, I don't mean steaks and cowboy hats. I mean that a person should understand the laws and value of this country. He should be able to call himself an American when refering to himself. As long as he cares about the area he wishes to run and works for the people, then I don't care where he's from or when he came here. That is what make our nation so great.

Its funny to see hannity this evening, drool over Arnold (even though he probably disagrees with him on every social issue out there) and say that he is a great american because he is from another country and is living the american dream. I don't think he'd be saying that if his skin was a bit darker and his last name Schwarzenegger was instead Sanchez. I don't have a feeling Sean would feel the same way.

[IndianaGreen]

11. "but I'm a native"

Are you from Mexico, because those are the real natives to California which was stolen by the US.

Gee, I don't even hear Hoosiers make fun of people accents...

[rwenos]

13. Born in Oakland

Born in Oakland in 1953. That makes me a native. Your point that California started as part of Mexico is actually inaccurate. It started as part of nothing -- a wilderness populated by indigenous peoples, most likely immigrants from east Asia.

The Spaniards conquered the Aztecs, remember, and then imposed their colonial system on the whole country, including at the time Alta California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas.

In other words, what difference does it make who had sovereignty in California between 1510 and 1846?

[IndianaGreen]

15. Most Mexicans are descendants of the Aztecs

and they are more native to California than you are.

I take offense at your making fun at Arnold and Arianna solely on the basis of their national origin. They are both Americans, as American as you or I. Criticizing people for their politics is legitimate. Mocking people because of their national origin, or race, or gender, or physical disability, is inappropriate.

If this was a workplace situation and you were a supervisor you might find yourself running afoul of Title VII.

I am sorry if I sound like an ass about this, but I have been involved in Title VII cases before and I take this shit very seriously.

[rwenos]

16. Now this is getting fun . . .

I'm sorry you're offended. But no one has yet responded to my question, a serious one, which was: don't you think a native Californian (or, I'm willing to add, someone who grew up here and is a product of the California schools) understands California better than someone who moved here as an adult?

By the way, about 30 million of the 110 million Mexicans are of European extraction, so about 80 million are primarily of indigenous ancestry. There are many excellent resources on the Web regarding the Iztlan or Mecha movement, to which you refer. It's a political viewpoint, argued vigorously by some. It's ahistorical, but they're certainly free to argue it. Just as I am free to disagree with it, and characterize it as ahistorical.

And by the way, old mate, this is not a workplace situation. It's a place to exercise the First Amendment.

[Character Assassin]

19. Get real

Are you from Mexico, because those are the real natives to California which was stolen by the US.

Using that convoluted 'reasoning', the indigenous people here before the Spanish ever came would be the 'real' natives.

You're native if you're born there.

[alfredo]

20. In a debate between him and Arianna, will there be subtitles?

[xequals]

17. Do not underestimate the man

I saw his speech and he sounded very sincere and NOTHING like a traditional Republican. I was moved by what he said...didn't think of him as "Ahhnold the action hero", but someone who really cares about fixing things. He will have no trouble convincing voters that he is not part of the right wing attack group trying to take down Davis, and that he just wants to help California, and I truly believe that is how he feels and isn't bullshitting. If he made an impression on me -- a moderate but partisan Democrat -- he will have NO trouble convincing swing voters, non-partisan Dems, independents and apolitical types (his star power will draw in a lot of people who don't regularly vote).

ps. I'm not a Californian.

[inthecorneroverhere]

18. puh-leeze, no more movie-actor politicians!

I'm sick and tired of movie-actor California Republicans - from Ronald Reagan to Sonny Bono and now to Arnold S. I won't even try to spell his last name - wish it were something manageable like Sanchez.

So-what 'Arny' might be 'liberal' on a few social issues. I figure he'll probably model his real policies after those of Ronn-ie or Sonn-y. You know, the issues that hit folks in the pocketbooks, the schools, the libraries, the roads - real life, in other words.

I'm glad that at least Arnold S. can't run for President and give us another Ronnie Ray-gun disaster! Sarcasm> Nice deficit precedent that President set us! /sarcasm

I know a little about California. I was born and went through the schools there, just at the time they went from being the best schools in the nation to very mediocre. Moved out of California during the mid-1980s.

The Reagan presidency dispelled the 'California is more liberal than the rest of the U.S.' image for me, although Cali did a great job in election 2000. There are very liberal localities in California, but these are largely based on social liberalism, rather than on doing what's best for working Americans. Why do I say that? People who work 'real' jobs can hardly afford to live in the 'liberal' Bay Area, where house prices are $500,000 for a little tiny bungalow.

[ElementaryPenguin]

21. I don't believe many women will be fooled into voting for Ah-nulld!

Macho men and complete morons will obviously be his "base!"