Does anyone else think George Bush is going to win the next pres election?

[prez_sux]

i get a sinking feeling that he's gonna win next time. anyone else agree/disagree?

what are we doing better than we did last time? we're more divided than ever.

[Nevernose]

1. Yep. *sigh*

n/t

[jonnyblitz]

24. I wouldn't be surprised if he did. nobody votes anymore.

and everybody to the left of bush can't seem to unite so far. maybe i will be surprised.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

2. Nope.

He's toast.

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[Terwilliger]

11. thats not a realistic assessment

frankly, it's nothing but "if wishes were horses..." logic

And, we didn't win because Gore's not in the WH and Democrats won't say it was stolen (except Lieberman who was as close as he'll ever get to the presidency in 2000)

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

19. Let's pause a moment....

And wonder how the world would be IF wishes WERE horses.
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OK. Proceed.

[drdigi420]

25. the smell would be awful

and the roads would be slippery

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[Terwilliger]

46. your attitude is a Rovian orgasm

fact is, Bush is in the middle, and the American people aren't looking to change anything they don't have to

Unless Democrats articulate a message of leadership and vision, they'll be LUCKY to gain a majority...LUCKY!

Americans will also look at the fact that a Dem president and a Repuke congress will assure that no legislation will pass through anything if there's a lot of fighting.

[Corgigal]

4. It depends

how many people will lose their job? How many soliders will die in Iraq? Is another terrorist attack going to occur?
It's going to be close. When the body bags hit a certain number hes gone.

[buff2]

8. Yes,but.........

We're not getting the body count anymore. It's not that important for the media whores to report......Kobe Bryant and Arnold S. is all that matters. They will report nothing that will hurt baby bush. He will lose,though. Unless they succeed in stealing it again. God help us all.

[prez_sux]

28. but the military usually votes republican

so he's losing votes with each death.

[Emboldened Chimp]

5. He's a goner

His re-elect #s are terrible. And I get the feeling that people are going to be real fed up with him in '04--too many empty promises.

[cthrumatrix]

6. the "puppetmaster" requires somebody with more credibility.....the next

war people would demand a great deal more from the admin.

i think his time is up with them...

[Dagaz]

7. way too early

As if right now he's a shoe-in but we're a year and 1/2 away yet and much can happen.

[Zero Gravitas]

9. Its the Economy Stupid

Plus people are begining to realise that instead of being a "straight shooter" and instead of "returning honor and dignity" to the WHite House, that the Emperor has no clothes and is a corrupt liar.

[xray s]

10. Absolutely not

E Pluribus Unum. From many, one.

The Democrats in '04 will be united in purpose, to defeat George W Bush

Thanks George!

[indictrichardperle]

14. if free elections are allowed

and there is no wide-spread cheating, the Dems will win. I honestly dont think if a free and fair election were held today, * would win.

The american people are getting uncomfortable, they dont want more war....and the economy absolutely Sucks. This administration scares too many people.

[wuushew]

12. Depends if WV wakes up and realizes

that poor white coal miners have nothing in common with a spoiled oil man from west Texas.

[onecitizen]

58. so it's ALL on our shoulders??

I think alot of other things will have to be factored into that scenario. Being a Dem from WV, it does gall me that we voted bush in 2000, but it can't be all our fault.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

13. I ain't buyin' it.

When My Best Friend, the Rock-Ribbed Conservative, tells me that he hopes that the dems field a candidate he can vote for, I would say that The Presidentiamul Ass is in a sling. Christ, MBF,TR-RC listens to Bob Grant with a fervor that borders on the religious! This is earthshaking stuff, peeps! If he's looking for the out door with Chimpy, how many others are looking too??!!

[okieinpain]

15. nope, live by the sword, die by the sword. I don't think it's possible

to war yourself to win an election.

[Nevernose]

16. What are you people THINKING?

When * is running for office, who gets the most votes doesn't matter, now does it? How do we hope to beat that?

(sorry, feeling a bit of bitter, self-defeating cynicism tonight)

[prez_sux]

33. "how do we beat that?"...

... well, we could beat that the same way we have always beat that. We have won before.

[Nevernose]

35. Like we beat it in 2000?

Obviously, getting more votes isn't the way to beat it. Maybe we have to pull a Daley-Chicago thing, registering bums and paying them with beer to vote Dem?

I'm beginning to think things are going to have to get a whole HELL of a lot worse before people wise up to the so-called neo-cons. Another Great Depression, a reinstatement of the draft, or something equally devastating and horrendous for America & the world.

[prez_sux]

38. damn it, all you need is more votes to win...

electoral votes, just like it has been since the Constitution was adopted. That has never changed. all you need is a majority of the electoral college votes. And if Al Gore had won his home state last time, we'd be saying "George who?" right now.

I do think any of the likely candidates this time will win their home states. I'm still bitter about that if you can't tell.

[Ramsey]

17. He is very very beatable

But not by some Repuke Lite asswipe!!

[LoverOfLiberty]

18. If Lieberman is the nominee

I don't see how we can win. Gephardt, Dean and possibly Kerry can beat him.

I'm not a Deanie, but if he can hold his own against the Mighty Wurlitzer (TM), he proabably has the best chance.

Although I take issue with some calling Lieberman a Republican, I think it is going to take someone more willing to call Bush on his bullsh*t, which Lieberman isn't willing to do.

[Poiuyt]

21. 9/11

That's what the Bush machine will be saying over and over again. 9/11...9/11...9/11. Get used to it. That will be the answer to every question he's asked. Bush's strategy will be to keep the population in fear of another terrorist attack. Unless the Democrats can get a candidate who can counter that, Bush will win.

BTW, I'm predicting an orange or red alert Oct '04.

[maggrwaggr]

22. If the Rethugs were smart, they'd "Trent Lott" him and run someone else

But they're not that smart.

He's dead meat.

[corarose]

23. Did Jr win an Election last time? Hmmm I don't think so honey!

The only way the PIECE OF SHIT will win is to steal the election again.

Did you ever hear of Black Box Voting? It's the only was sick ass rethuglicans can win.

[Q]

26. Bush* won't 'win' the election...but there's a very good chance...

...he will remain in office.

- Too many Americans still don't understand that we no longer live in a democracy. Most of them actually believe they can VOTE Bush* out of office.

- It took the RWingers THIRTY YEARS of planning for the day when they would control all three houses...and the courts. They're not about to let some silly election get in the way of their 'Republican Revolution'.

[iangb]

45. Absolutely Q.....

....a lot of the posts here strike me as being akin to 'fiddling while Rome burns'.

My prediction is for the '04 election to be 'postponed for the safety and security of the Republic'............and yes Bush does have the authority to do that.

Makes all this candidate bashing/pushing a bit academic doesn't it?

[Merlin]

27. Let's see. 27 posts. And you're telling us to give up? Is that it?

We're a little tougher than you may think.

[prez_sux]

30. no!!!

i never meant to imply to give up. on the contrary. i was thinking if we have no shot at the white house, we should put all energy and money into getting the senate.

[Frances]

29. I don't know who will win.

But at this moment I think we have a chance.

There is simply no good news. Mortgage interest rates are going up which will negatively impact housing which has been the only good economic news. Both manufacturing and hi-tech jobs are moving at a GROWING rate to other countries. The rural Republicans have relatives fighting in Iraq and the person I spoke with yesterday said his relatives say morale is really bad there. I think the fact that Bush can run in 100 degree heat may lose its appeal.

[liberalmuse]

31. No way...in a fair election, that is

Went to my first Dean meetup tonight, so I'm very optimistic. Watching clips of Dean (I don't have cable or an antenna) I almost remembered what it felt like in America before Bush blackened the White House doorstep, and man, it was great! We're going to throw the bastard(s) out in 2004. If Bush gets in the White House again, the American people don't deserve this country.

[moondust]

32. "Diverse" is more accurate than "divided".

Don't let the whore media trick you into believing that Dems are "divided" when they're really a reflection of American diversity. Just because repukes are single-minded dittoheads and lemmings does not make the rest of the world "divided". Everything will look much different once a single candidate has been decided upon.

[AlinPA]

60. Correct. Don't confuse our sometimes "all over the map"

debate with being divided about getting rid of the dirty little bastard in the WH. (Sorry, I am supposed to clean up my language.) When we get down to one candidate (we have good ones) we will be more united than we have been in years.

[Pepperbelly]

34. I don't see how ...

He is a total failure by every single measurement. Every indicator that should be down is up and every indicator that is supposed to be up is down. He cannot point to a single fucking improvement made to our lives, to our nation or to our world. He is a disgrace and any examination past a cursory one reveals the depth of his incompetence.

These guys are whining, finger pointing,1 incomptent losers.

[Catherine Vincent]

36. I disagree.

That bastard is such a failure in everything. If the voters are too stupid to see that and stay home, then we deserve his sorry ass for another 4 years!

[jplvr]

37. I see it happening

Although I really don't like it, I definetly see it happening.

[Shanty Oilish]

39. Why should this time be any different?

Who got the most votes last time? Not Bush. Next time, we'll be ready.

[Trek234]

40. More than likely

Right now I am trying to look on the bright side.

So far number one bright thing about it - the Republican party will be so ruined afterwards it might even die off.

[West Coast Democrat]

41. Is that what they're saying in Freeperville?

that the Democrats are more divided than ever?

[prez_sux]

42. maybe, but that doesn't matter...

... I know almost all DUers are backing Dean, but does that represent most Democrats?

the fact is all of the repubs are gonna back George Bush. every single one of them. I mean, who the hell else are they gonna back?

We just have too many candidates right now, I wish they would just narrow it down quicker so we can unite sooner.

[West Coast Democrat]

43. Who cares if Republicans back Bush?

Democrats will back their nominee, whomever that may be. Independents are not happy with Bush anymore. And his war time high approval ratings are a mile wide and and inch deep. It counts for nothing. The Democratic candidate will do very well with Independents...I'm sure of it.

[prez_sux]

44. true.

good point, i'm just afraid the independents won't vote for bush b/c they don't like him, and they won't vote Democratic b/c they won't know anything about the candidate.

I guess like some have said though, it's just to early to really worry.

[imax2268]

47. He has done to much damage...

Things are far to bad now for him to gain momentum back...he's a one termer and he knows it.

With all the secrecy going on around the 9/11 investigation, the uranium speach, the war in Iraq, etc..etc...

He has lost his credibility with the American people I think...

[Poiuyt]

53. Not Nescessarily

Democrats may vote Green if our candidate is too moderate. And the moderates may vote for Bush if our candidate is too liberal. I know that people on this board can't believe that anyone would want to vote for Bush, but there are a lot of people waffling whether or not to vote for him. Read the discussion boards at www.politics.com and you'll get a more balanced view.

[West Coast Democrat]

66. Nader or any Green Candidate will do WORSE than last time

I know, because I live in a neighborhood with a lot of people who actually voted for Nader in 2000. They say they won't vote for him in the future.

[abbyhoffman]

48. HRC

is the only person who could beat Bushy in 2004 If Dean gets the nom it will be 1968/84:-( all over again I know a lot of people here hate to hear the truth but we better Draft Hillary or we'll have dumbass another 4 years

[The Backlash Cometh]

49. If we could only run Seabiscuit in the presidential race...

So, who is our Democratic Seabiscuit?

[StopThief]

50. I put the odds of reelection at 1:2

nfm

[Skittles]

51. YES HE WILL BE REINSTALLED

I firmly believe these thieving bastards have NO intention of giving up the White House. Come hell or high water, King George will be installed.

[NeonLX]

52. Agreed.

I'm not confident that the Dems can mount an organized attack once the convention is over. Couple that with the fact that this country's cumulative IQ seems to drop by a few points between every election cycle and it spells another repuke victory for the Whitehouse.

[Jacobin]

54. Too soon to say

A LOT can happen in a year. Interest rates are going up and will continue to do so which will screw the housing sector and make more companies file for bankruptcy (can't service higher debt), Iraq will continue to implode, jobless rate will go up as economy continues to sour.

It has to be bad enough to overcome the hundreds of millions in ad campaigns the Smirk will buy to convince people of an alternative reality.

[stickdog]

55. Not unless Rove manufactures a third major "rally 'round the flag"

booster shot.

[CWebster]

56. I think it is a dangerous mindset.

fatalism and self fullfiling prophesy. It is a slap in the face to all those who perservered in the face of the proclaimed odds only to triumph as the underdog.

[catmandu57]

57. Nope, as a matter of fact I'm

thinking this smarmy bastard might not even make it to the election, I know impeachment is a very iffy proposition right now, but, I'm thinking the rat bastard may take his ball and slink home to the pig farm.

That is until angry americans come and get him. This idiot* has fucked up everything, the economy sucks, the only thing keeping us afloat is low interest rates, and from all indications they're going to start rising soon. We're stuck in iraqnam, the draft will be coming back, any new attacks will be laid squarely on chimps* door.

He's losing support that you don't hear about, if you listen to ordinairy americans in the checkout lines the talk is against this idiot*. I've got six people right now registered to vote and pledged to vote democratic in the election. Of these six, not one has ever voted before, but they hate this bastard* so much they're going to vote against him no matter who is the candidate, they just want this asshole* gone.

This idiot* is going down, maybe before nov 04.

[NeonLX]

61. I hope you're right...

...but even in my supposedly "liberal" town, Bush still reigns as King. People just don't seem to get that he's shit all over this fine country. And the media aren't helping any; he still gets free pass after free pass after free pass...

[Voltaire]

59. OH HELL NO

He will be landslided. Dean will win with 60% of the vote. Bank on it.

[janx]

65. YEP. Dean will win. There's no doubt.

This train's just beginning to roll! When Dean starts campaigning in the general election, look out!

[whoYaCallinAlib]

62. Depends on who the dem nominee is.

Hillary - No, Bush will lose.
Kerry - NO, Bush will lose.
Edwards - No, Bush will lose.
Dean - Yes, Bush will win.
Lieberman - Yes, Bush will win.
Gephardt - Yes, Bush will win.
The others - Yes, Bush will win.

[blm]

63. Nope.

.

[West Coast Democrat]

64. 58.3% Chance According to Political Oddsmaker

http://www.campaignline.com/odds/odds.cfm

"George W. Bush favored over the opposition field, 7 to 5 (58.3% chance he will be re-elected; downgraded from 60% chance 2/22/03)"

*****

However, Bush's odds of winning are decreasing, not increasing.

[Arkady]

67. He is the incumbent...

Which has historically been a very big advantage. Doesn't mean he can't lose (Carter, Bush I etc.), but whoever ends up running against him is going uphill.
Add to that the fact that he is a wartime president, his massive fundraising ability and the fact that our side seem pre-occupied with cutting each other's throats and I'd say the Dem. candidate is definitely the underdog.
But, to paraphrase John Madden, if we decided who wins by looking at their stats, there'd be no need to play the game.

[leftofthedial]

68. if he wins, it will be because

it's not really an "election" at all

[John_H]

69. this many responses to this thread?

check later for a thread on FR: "DUers don't think they can beat the President"

[West Coast Democrat]

70. This thread topic has popped up too many times to count!

and of course you get the people who say Democrats will vote for Nader, etc.

[ElementaryPenguin]

71. If the damn thing isn't rigged - Chimpy will lose by a fucking landslide!!

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