Haliburton worker, American Civilian, killed in Iraq

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-2991309,00.html

American Civilian Is Killed in Iraq

Tuesday August 5, 2003 1:09 PM


By D'ARCY DORAN

Associated Press Writer

TIKRIT, Iraq (AP) - An American civilian contractor was killed Tuesday when a bomb was detonated under the truck he was driving north of Tikrit, the U.S. military said.

The contractor was employed by Kellog Brown & Root, a subsidiary of Halliburton, a Houston-based oilfield-services and construction company. Halliburton is the former company of Vice President Dick Cheney which has major contracts for reconstruction in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

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[nothingshocksmeanymore]

1. Sniff...too bad..next time promote peace for profit

[Voltaire]

2. I agree with that sentiment

and God forgive me for it.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

3. God forgive them...they're the ones that need it

[jiacinto]

4. I like you, NSMA; but I find this post offensive

This man didn't deseve to die. Maybe I am misreading your statement--if I am I take what I say back. However, it is wrong to be insenstive toward this man's death.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

16. I don't take pleasure in his death. He took pleasure in death for profit.

If our troops die, they are following orders. If someone from private enterprise dies over a war waged for private enterprise, I have a VERY HARD TIME being a person of conscience and all having any sympathy. I know some consider that cold, but how cold is it for over 7000 people and numerous troops to die and be maimed for life so that this person could have the promise of a bonus for going to Iraq?

It is as though a hired hit man's bullet ricocheted in my mind.

[jiacinto]

19. Is this person Cheney?

Maybe the company sent him there and he had to go? Did you ever think of that?

Maybe he had children, innocent children, who had nothing to do with this?

Sorry I disagree with you here. I am greatly saddened by your viewpoint on that issue.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

24. Yes I did think of it but I STRONGLY doubt that Halliburton employees

were protesting the war. I had a friend that was hired by a mercinary company a few years back after his time in the service. He was paid VERY big bucks for regular visits to Latin America until he realized job or not, family or not, children or not, what he was doing was wrong.

I do feel for his family. If he had children, I feel for them. He placed himself in harms way for profit. If a police officer does it it is for society's benefit. If a person profitting in other venues does it, that is where I draw the line. It is MY MORAL LINE AND I AM FREE TO HAVE A MORAL BOUNDARY.

BTW, at the end of the year, Halliburton will write off the additional premiums his death may have resulted in for them as a cost of doing business. Lecture them.

[Ress1]

6. Gosh that's cold.

I can't believe people think that way. Very disappointing.

[jiacinto]

5. I can't believe the insenstitivity of some DUers here

Maybe I am misreading your posts, but I really find it offensive that some of you would take pleasure in the death of an American.

[Ress1]

8. Me too.

I'd hate to think too many on this board share that sentiment.

[jiacinto]

9. Me too

It really saddens me.

[SweetZombieJesus]

10. Yeah, we should be taking pleasure in the deaths of Iraqis!

GO TEAM AMERICA!

:eyes:

[jiacinto]

11. No one is taking pleasure in the deaths of Iraqis here

But the lack of empathy for this man is offensive.

[SweetZombieJesus]

15. No, working for FUCKING WARMONGERS is offensive

You trying to foist your own moral compass on others on a discussion board is offensive.

Who the fuck appointed you the moral arbiter of this board Carlos?

[jiacinto]

17. I think it's common decency

Your attempt to take pleasure in the death of an American is offensive. And you should be ashamed of yourself. What if it was your family or your relative who died?

[SweetZombieJesus]

22. Spare me your tedious moralizing, Carlos

I don't take any pleasure in it, I just don't care. I refuse to eulogize someone I don't know, let alone someone who works for fucking Halliburton, and no amount of you playing the stern headmaster will change that fact.

"What if had been your family or your relative who died?"

Well, no one in my family would work for a corporation who greases the gears of their machinery with Iraqi blood, and the blood of American troops. And if they did, I'd be ashamed of them for doing so.

[jiacinto]

23. Then you really have no decency

And you should be ashamed of yourself. This person was not Cheney or one of the key players in Halliburton. He probably had a family but it is sad that you are disrespecting him. You really should be ashamed of yourself.

[SweetZombieJesus]

27. Keep repeating yourself and maybe I'll "behave"!

Fat fucking chance. You are in NO position to judge anyone on this forum's morality or lack thereof, and neither is anyone else. I have my own moral compass, and mine says "I don't feel any empathy for anyone who got PAID to be a toadie for people like Cheney." Stop trying to make me accept your moral compass as your own.

[jiacinto]

32. Yes I am

And apparently you lack a moral compass.

[SweetZombieJesus]

33. Your moral compass isn't the only one in existence, Carlos

Despite your arrogant presumptions otherwise, you are NOT the last word in morality. Like NSMA said, I have my own moral guidelines, and you have yours, and I would not presume to push mine on you as you are trying to do me. Unfortunately for you, I don't respond to bullying or hollow lectures. Feel free to keep trying though.

[jiacinto]

34. Well

yours is clearly lacking. And you should be ashamed of it.

[SweetZombieJesus]

36. Keep plugging away

That's what my Grandma said when I said I was in favor of gay marriage. No wonder I don't care what you think.

[Generic Other]

43. The man died to keep my gas tank from hitting "E"

Glory hallelujah. Thank god he sacrificed his life securing the oil fields for me.

This brave man of commerce. I think we should add his statue to the one of the marines raising the flag at mt. surabachi. Only exchange the flag for an oil derrick. And salute your conquering hero.

[jiacinto]

44. Your contempt for this man is really outrageous

You should be ashamed of yourself. How dare you take pleasure in the death of an American?

[spanone]

37. Many of the Brown & Roots guys are regular Joes...working for a check

[jiacinto]

39. But see

all people there are "evil" according to some people here despite the fact they aren't the ones making the decisions.

[SweetZombieJesus]

41. That's crap

If I, as a friggin convenience store clerk, know that Kellog Root & Brown is a subsidiary of Haliburton, and that Haliburton bats cleanup for the neocons, why can't their FUCKING EMPLOYEES be aware of these facts?

[jiacinto]

42. No it's not

But whatever your contempt for this man is shining throughout this thread .

[spanone]

45. many people don't give a shit about politics

[Generic Other]

53. And sometimes

that attitude can get them killed.

Oh well. Who gives a shit about politics when there's money to be made?

on edit: typos

[SweetZombieJesus]

13. I can't believe this "civilian" didn't know he works for merchants of war

ANYONE who willingly draws a paycheck from these fucking reapers gets no sympathy for me. They weren't forced into these high paying jobs by economic slavery like the troops were.

[jiacinto]

14. You really should be ashamed of yourself

I don't take pleasure in the deaths of anyone.

[SweetZombieJesus]

18. Oh, well how SUPERIOR of you

You're right, I should be ashamed of myself. Why, I should break down in tears that one of my fellow Americans has died while in the service of a heartless bunch of opportunistic war pigs, while Iraqi citizens are dying of starvation and cholera every day. Surely one American's life being forfeited is the cause for copious amounts of weeping from us all.

Shame on you for trying to shame others, Morality Policeman.

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[jiacinto]

26. I think I can reasonably make that judgment

Taking pleasure in someone's death is just wrong and insenstive. And if you were a decent person you wouldn't be acting in the manner that you are.

And how do you know that that person had a choice? Did it occur to you that maybe the company transfered him there and he had no choice, other than losing his job?

[SweetZombieJesus]

28. So he could have QUIT

If he didn't know what he was getting into, he's a FOOL, and I have no sympathy.

And once again, in case you can't fucking read, I TAKE NO PLEASURE IN THIS MAN'S DEATH. I know you, in your delusions of superiority, are probably imagining me doing some sort of jig in celebration of some guy I don't even know dying, but unfortunately for your fantasies, I'm doing no such thing. I just don't feel sorry for a grown man who went to work IN IRAQ for a bunch of criminals.

If people don't have the balls to quit a job that hurts other people, then they've forfeited any right to empathy from me.

[jiacinto]

31. It seems like you are

And okay let's assume that he did QUIT, as you argue. Where is he going to work? Last I checked there were very places that were "hiring".

Again you should be ashamed of yourself.

[SweetZombieJesus]

35. I would rather wash dishes in a dive in the bad part of town than work for

fucking criminals like Haliburton.

This man made a concious choice to work for people who aid and abet WHOLESALE MURDER. But since you're so morally superior to me, I'm sure you'll forgive my lack of empathy. Or does forgiveness get in the way of you being a judgemental, arrogant preacher?

[jiacinto]

38. Judgmental

That's what you're being, not me. So much for someone on a "progressive" bulletin board.

[Generic Other]

46. The man is a privateer not a patriot

He died for Halliburton's bottom line not my flag or country.

A speculator. A looter. Beneath contmpt.

[jiacinto]

48. Your contempt for this man is disgusting

That you would take the pleasure in the death of an American is sickening.

[SweetZombieJesus]

49. Are you a person or a outrage program?

You just don't get it, do you Carlos? WE DON'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK. We don't care how much you lecture us, we will never censor ourselves for the likes of you. And your insistence on saying that we are "taking pleasure" in the death of this man over and over again smacks of the worst kind of right wing chilling of free speech.

This is not the World According To Carlos. Get a clue.

[Generic Other]

50. I'm not taking pleasure in his suicidal decision to get killed

I am just stating a fact.

privateer:one who is authorized by a government during wartime to attack and capture enemy ships.

freebooter: a person who pillages and plunders, especially a pirate.


15 men on a dead man's trunk. Yo Ho Ho and a gallon of oil!

[jiacinto]

51. That you disrespect a dead American is offensive

You should be ashamed of yourself.

[SweetZombieJesus]

52. What is your obsession with dead AMERICANS?

Because he's a dead American, I should respect him? What kind of freeperish horseshit is this?

I have respect for HUMAN BEINGS WHO EARN IT. Unless this man was Gandhi by night and a war profiteer by day, he hasn't shown himself worthy of a eulogy from me, regardless of his nationality.

Keep digging that hole, Carlos.

[jiacinto]

58. It's not freeperish

It's about respect, something you aren't showing.

[Generic Other]

55. Okay if it makes you feel any better, I regret

that he only has one life to give for his company!

[Heddi]

57. I thought you weren't being judgemental?

You should be ashamed of yourself.

I'm certain that no-one in this world is going to be ashamed solely because you suggested that they should.

[Heddi]

56. wait---you're not being judgemental?

You've told at least one, possibly two people in this discussion that they didn't have a "moral compass"---you're telling me that's not being judgemental???

Carlos---Morals are like shoes---everyone has a different set and they all fit differently.

Jerry Falwell's Morals are not my morals.
My morals are not my mother's morals.

Just because you find something to be right or wrong doesn't mean that YOU are right or wrong, or that someone who believes differently is wright or wrong.

Some people find it morally wrong and unethical for others (and themselves) to eat meat.

Some people find it morally wrong and unethical for others (and themselves) to have abortions.

Some poeple find it morally wrong and unethical for others to be homosexual or engage in homosexual relations.

So are you *STILL* telling me that 1) you're not being judgemental when telling people they have no moral compass, or that it's lacking, or that they're hartless, blah blah blah?

sounds like judgement to me.

And just to reitterate the point, there is no 'standard' for morals. Mine are mine and yours are yours and you really should remember that. A person isn't "Wrong" or lacking a moral compass solely because they disagree with you.

it's called a difference of opinion. I doubt anyone is going to burn in hell because of the comments or feelings made on this board.

[zoidberg]

30. Where are Iraqis dying or starvation?

I guess I missed that thread. Surely somebody would have posted a report of starvation in Iraq.

[spanone]

47. BS does that mean that every gov't employee of the U.S. is

is a murderer because a soldier shoots someone. Most Halliburton guys over there (and I'm certainly not defending Halliburton) are the lowest workers , building shit and now dying. They aren't the bad guys. Cheney and the fuckers at Halliburton are the bad guys.

[Mari333]

7. Gee no wonder I havent seen the whacko christian missionaries

going into Iraq....OOPS Its a QUAGMIRE

[DarkPhenyx]

12. One less person...

...Dick has to pay a severance package to.

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20. May God, Allah or Mohammad grant him Eternal Peace

The man was making a living, working for
the wrong corporation, at the wrong time, in the
wrong place.

All the while he was put in a dangerous place by rt-wing
corporation who is more interested in profits than the
safety of their own workers.

Just who in the HELL would want to work in a war zone ?
Especially a civilian ?

If he has a wife, or kids, what purpose did it
serve to work in a war zone. A married man should
put his family first, IF he was married

....hmmmmm....maybe IF he was single.

Likely he was young & dumb. And was lied to about the
risk. Who knows -- maybe he was CIA.

May he rest in peace.

[Dover]

29. Murders and kidnappings often happen to oil co. employees in South Am.

countries. And they try to keep all that pretty quiet. But it's a hostile environment and anyone could have predicted the same would happen in Afghanistan, Iraq, Africa and anywhere these oil companies lay pipe, as well.

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40. I know. sadly it is not a new event

Knew many who travelled the world working for biggee
construction firms.

Bechtel, Morrison-Knudsen, Peter Kiewit
Parsons, FLUOR .

Its a hard way to make a living.
Project environment can suck BIG TIME.

[oneighty]

54. I am sorry for the deceased and his family.

I expect he went there knowing the danger. He twisted the tigers tail and lost. A pity he will not be the last.

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