Did Gore Actually Say the Bush 'Misled' The American People?

[bpilgrim]

I have noticed a lot of headlines saying so but I can't find the quote.

I hope he was that frank and I want to use it in my own headline but I don't wanna misqoute him.

I haven't watched the video yet - damn real player on os x - and only have the prepared remarks from moveon.org but not the actual transcript.

anyone who has a link to the actual transcript or a link to the video in another format would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance

peace

[wuushew]

1. here you go

http://www.moveon.org/gore-speech.html

[bpilgrim]

4. thanks, but that was the prepared remarks

i don't know if he deviated from it or not but I have already searched that doc and it wasn't in it.

thanks though :hi:

peace

[Blue_Roses]

10. I watched it on C-SPAN

and couldn't take my eyes off of him. He said it through the whole speech in one way or another--Bush IS misleading the people,all day everyday. That id my "summed up" version. I thought he looked great and I love the line, "...Ashcroft needs to 'reined in.'"

I'm glad to see Gore going for the jugular. I just wish he had decided to run.

[bpilgrim]

17. man i wish i could see this

my damn real player is on the fritz, but i am glad i have du for all the reports like yours.

thanks :hi:

peace

[karlschneider]

19. I videotaped it and compared it to the prepared remarks, VERY little

deviation.

[bpilgrim]

20. thanks karlschneider

:hi:

are you able to digitize it? i would love to see it yet my real player is hosed up.

peace

[w13rd0]

2. He was very artful about it...

...but if you have a basic understanding of english, he didn't just say Bush misled America. He outright called him a habitual liar and a political opportunist, in the most artful and graceful of language. Download the transcript and read it. It's...stunning...and it's just in time to keep the momentum moving...

[arcane1]

3. "false impressions" he said.. often!! :-)

he's on cspan now!!

[bpilgrim]

5. do you have a link?

that is what i am looking for - not the prepared remarks from moveon.org

thanks

peace

[bpilgrim]

6. Seems Like Mike Malloy Noticed it too...

He is getting on him for not calling bush out right for his LIES

(thanks to http://whiterosesociety.org :toast: )

peace

[Larkspur]

7. Mike Mally has a tendency to be an a**hole

Mally voted for Nader and still believes that there was no difference between Gore and Nader. Mally is a liar also.

[bpilgrim]

12. that's why i love him

and the rethugs hate him ;->

'Mally voted for Nader'

so what

'and still believes that there was no difference between Gore and Nader'

you mean between reTHUGS and dems? well he ain't alone on that one.

'Mally is a liar also.'

can you back that up?

"Mike Mally has a tendency to be an a**hole"

you know what they say... it takes one to know one and you did a pretty good job with your post.

:hi:

peace

[SEAburb]

18. Mally is a self righteous reactionary who wallows in negativity or

in other words he is an asshole. Al Gore gave a great speech yesterday and Mally just can't give him his due.

[bpilgrim]

21. that's what he gets paid for... hello

and he gives a lot of us an outlet and voice for our very same feelings.

mike did give him his due, he said it was a good speech and was glad he made it but he did remark on him not being plain spoken about the key issue and he has a LEGIT point.

it's funny how a lot of folks who come off as a**holes are quick to call him one though.

:hi:

peace

[SEAburb]

22. It's a shame you and Mally couldn't understand what Gore

was saying. You two are the only ones I've heard of that had it go over their heads. Oh well, as long as Mally keep up his O'Reilly act, he will keep the checks coming in.

[bpilgrim]

27. pfft... i asked a simple question if he said bush 'misled' americans

so i could use it in my headline in QUOTES however apparently he didn't so i won't but i still published it so get over your partisian obsession with seeing enemies where there are none.

http://news.GlobalFreePress.com

peace

[gully]

26. Mike Malloy...

obviously needs to return to english class.

There are many ways to 'skin a chicken' MR. Malloy...

[bpilgrim]

28. speaking plainly is one of them

and probably more effective with most americans is all he or anyone else is pointing out.

peace

[Sinistrous]

8. Here is a quote from the prepared remarks:

...Robust debate in a democracy will almost always involve occasional rhetorical excesses and leaps of faith, and we're all used to that. I've even been guilty of it myself on occasion. But there is a big difference between that and a systematic effort to manipulate facts in service to a totalistic ideology that is felt to be more important than the mandates of basic honesty.

Unfortunately, I think it is no longer possible to avoid the conclusion that what the country is dealing with in the Bush Presidency is the latter. That is really the nub of the problem -- the common source for most of the false impressions that have been frustrating the normal and healthy workings of our democracy.

I would say that accusing bush of using "a systematic effort to manipulate facts in service to a totalistic ideology that is felt to be more important than the mandates of basic honesty" is, in effect calling bush a liar. And, if I may add my opinion, Gore's characterization is totally accurate.

[bpilgrim]

13. 'false impressions' and 'the mandates of basic honesty' very diplomatic

yet he didn't come right out and say he misled the nation which is what i am looking for.

i am certainly glad he has spoken out as powerfully as he did and i applaud and support his statments to the hilt and i did republish his speech but i have choosen to leave out "gore says bush has 'mislead' the nation" headline that most others have lead with in their headlines as i don't wanna put words in his mouth.

i think it is a shame he wasn't a little more plain spoken though. not that i would have changed the lines you pointed to but he could have included a plain spoken summary of those remarks to reach an even wider audience but what the hell do i know... NOTHING.

thanks :hi:

peace

[Sinistrous]

24. Sometimes speakers use alternate rhetorical pathways

to get to the point they are making.

Gore did use high-level language and diplomatic phraseology, but I can find no substantive difference between the words Mr. Gore used, and "Bush lied to Congress and the American People", or " Bush mislead us all."

So, did Gore use the WORD "mislead"? No. But did he say that bush DID mislead? Hell, yes.

[bpilgrim]

29. i hear ya

but there is something to be said for speaking plainly as well... remember the first rule of marketing is know your audience - the american people - though maybe he was talking to someone else?

anyways i am very very glad he has spoken out.

peace

[trof]

9. No use of the "L" word

I noticed that, and I don't understand it.
Manipulated, slanted, hyped, cherrypicked, spun, shaded, withheld, "sexed-up", and on and on.
I have not heard one politician, one national spokesman, used the word "lied".
I don't understand the pussyfooting around. It's like there's some unwritten code of conduct. If memory serves, the repugs did not hesitate to call Clinton and Gore liars from the floor of the house.
What gives?
:grr:

[bpilgrim]

14. yeah, i wish we had more plain talking politicians, too

i can understand that they may want to try and preserve some sense of propriety but in today's reality - thanks to the reTHUGS - i think we may have gone beyond that and besides who is his audience?

we are a nation of overworked, over stimulated, ignoramuses and the reTHUGS do a much better job speaking their language than dems do and if they don't wake up they are gonna be left way behind.

most peoples eyes will glaze over trying to parse this stuff.

as Carville says, we need more SOUND BYTES and much less prose.

Peace

[KoKo]

11. Here ya go, b. pilgrim. TahitiNut did a "word search" on Gore with

a program he has. He posted last night on a thread of mine. Hope this helps you.
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts)
Thu Aug-07-03 10:56 PM
Response to Original message
25. The word "false" occurred 11 times in Gore's speech.

Edited on Thu Aug-07-03 11:00 PM by TahitiNut

The word "wrong" occurred 8 times in Gore's speech. The word "mistake" occurred 3 times in Gore's speech.

His speech was 4,645 words ... and in all those words stretched the truth far less than in Junior's "sixteen
words".

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=146736&mesg_id=147072&page=

[ignatius]

15. Wasn't it fantastic to hear a man(the ELECTED, not selected

president) speak coherently and not use the term "dead or alive" or 'bring "em on" even one time.

[KoKo]

23. Yes, to be talked to as an "intelligent American" was a real treat....it's

been a long time......and how we all miss it.

[bpilgrim]

16. thanks KoKo01

:toast:

so i guess he didn't come right out and say 'misled' but if you parse it that is a fair charecteization.

and i am glad that some one of his prominice is pointing to bushes 'false impressions' and 'distortions'

:loveya:

peace

[grasswire]

25. he kept using the phrase "false impression"

I thought it was quite a cunning speech. Beautifully organized and sharp as a shiv. I thought it reminded me of the gracious way that our founding fathers would go for the jugular, but I just realized that it is in the style of the British parliament!! Full of veiled sarcasm and disdain, politely stated.

George probably didn't even get half of it, if he got off the playstation long enough to see it.

[bpilgrim]

30. lol

it was a great speech :bounce:

peace

[KoKo]

31. A good one, Grasswire!

:D