Question for North Cal Du'ers.

[ronnykmarshall]

Why is it that there is still this North vs. South attitude with some progressives in San Francisco?

I post on a website that is devoted to SF politics and couldn't believe my eyes when I read a posting in reference to Arnold. Basically the writer said that SF was now the only holdout to progressive thinking in California and:

"actually, i've wondered how we were able to keep the southland at bay for so long... both senators... gray davis (descended from jerry brown)... willie all those years... burton..."


Sorry, but this shit frys my ass. Is it the general thinking that we are all a bunch of bleached headed, mindless valley girls?

And yes, I did open a can o' whup ass on this person.

[arcane1]

1. since I've only recently moved to No Cal

I can't really say much... and I came from VA, so to me the north-south attitude in CA is almost imperceptible :-)

IIRC there is a much higher conservative concentration in So Cal, too.

[TNDemo]

2. Welcome to my world...

(Jerry Vale singing). As a southerner I have this problem any time I try to discuss anything. It is a given we are brainless, racist pigs. Don't know what to tell you to do. People have their own ideas and most aren't willing to challenge their thinking with facts.

[ronnykmarshall]

4. Being a transplanted SF'er

I like to throw that at them, but sometimes I can't believe the arrogance.

[Clete]

3. My No. CA cousins always

made snide remarks about me being a southie and the cause of many of the state's problems. I think at this time these attitudes need to be put aside and we need to unite together against this WH putsch in our state.

[cally]

5. I used to hear more of the South bashing

but I rarely do now. I think SF Bay Area folks have more progressives as a percentage of population than most parts of Southern California but I've never thought that progressives from So. Cal are any less so than the Northern ones.

Just quit stealing our water! ;-)

[Clete]

6. See what I mean.

That water goes out into the ocean if we don't steal it.:-)

[cally]

9. LOL..but did you know that in some parts of the LA basin

the water has actually been 're-used' at least 2 to three times. It's re-treated and sent back to the taps. I don't have a link but I was told this by LA water quality officials several years ago.

[Clete]

11. Yep, it's true.

That's why I drank bottled water for years. I still had to shower in it thoug. Now I drink bottled water because our water comes from a well and we do have a certain amount of erosion that can pollute a well even if it's tested frequently.

[pmbryant]

15. All of California steals the Sierra's water

Hi cally!

:hi:

The Bay Area 'steals' its water from the Sierra Nevada. And so does Southern California. I don't think either place uses much that could really be called 'theirs'.

I used to live in LA and worked in the Owens Valley and I was always fascinated by California water politics.

:bounce:

I hope you guys in California reject the recall, or at least vote in Bustamante.

--Peter

EDIT: slight correction

[Pastiche423]

23. I was guilty of hoarding water

That practice came in handy in '89.

[nolabels]

20. We would die of thirst, come on man, can't you just spare a couple gallons

Squirrel Thirsty For Coke
http://www.goofyphotos.com/fun/thirsty.htm

[monkeyboy]

7. As a So. Cal to No. Cal transplant

I can say there is definetly a difference, from the radio stations to the newspapers to the people themselves, it's day and night to me. I see the ddifference having lived in So. Cal for 20 years and now having lived in No. Cal for over ten years. I like to refer to So. Cal. as Amway-Disney-Republican-land.

[Kanola]

13. I live in the Central Valley -native Californian

When I lived in So Cal. I was well aware that Orange CO and possibly San Diego are die hard conservative (well at least Orange Co). Here in the Central Valley there are more Dems to Repugs registered but tends to be more conservative here. When Condit was our Rep he really catered to the Repug mentality.

[Pastiche423]

8. While I no longer live there

(can't afford it), I still consider SF my home. In the two decades I did live there, there was a distinct feeling that Califrnia should be considered two states - North and South California.

It isn't that one is more elitest or whichever adjective you would like to use. It's that they are very much different from one another.

I do not know the statistics, but I would assume that socal has a larger repug population.

[mulsh]

10. Native Northerner

I think its because we don't know any better.
I've lived here all my life (46 years) and always wondered why we tend to have this attitude. I chalk it up to ignorance. some times arrogance if I'm in a bad mood.

[ronnykmarshall]

12. Thanks for you honest reply.

Of course there is a difference from Northern to Southern California. There is also a difference from Centeral California to the far north part of the state.

We live in probably the most diverse state in the union. That's what makes California what it is.

I'll admit, I was just as guilty with the Southern bashing when I lived in SF. I'll be the first to admit I was wrong. I think you're the first Northerner to be honest that I've heard from. Thanks again.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

14. SF thinks they are much hipper than LA

LA doesn't think about SF at all.

For me though, SF is way cooler, I'm definately one of them. LA sucks, I prefer walking.

[dogpatch]

16. SF has lost a lot of its cool

I'm a native of LA but have lived in SF for almost 20 years, but I've thought a lot about moving back down south. I am a fan of SF's smallness and since I'm lucky enough to live in the city I don't drive much, but it's gotten pretty bleak around here ever since the dotcom boom started pushing people out, and now there's just a big empty hole since not even the dotcoms are here anymore. Most of my cool friends have moved to LA and lately I find it far more energizing and interesting down there. And I think the Northern California snobbery is totally obnoxious, I can't stand it!

[ronnykmarshall]

18. Loved not having a car!

If I ever moved back to SF, I'd be so glad to not have a car. Luckly in WeHo, we can walk just about anywhere we want to go.

[ronnykmarshall]

17. Point of orginal post proven.

Funny thing is that Angelinos don't trash SF.

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE San Francisco. It was my home for 15 years and loved every minute of it. (still a Giants fan)

While everyone has the right to their opinions, the pompus attitudes towards LA from San Franciscans is a joke. For a city that likes to boast tollerance, when it comes to Los Angeles a lot of people are full of shit.

[davidinalameda]

19. which website was it

was it SFPOLIFIX?

[ronnykmarshall]

26. That's the one!

Yup, that's the web site.

[Le Taz Hot]

21. I don't mean to smile but . . .

if you think that's bad, let Northern Californians OR Southern Californians know your from the Central Valley and watch the condescention that ensues. Most of them are convinced we still don't indoor plumming, much less flush toilets. :eyes: It's the most elitist AND grossly uninformed POV I've ever seen.

[ronnykmarshall]

27. I knew you would!

I thought about you when I started this one!

[TheDonkey]

22. So Cal is becoming more conservative!!!

... but really it isn't that bad. It's wrong to generalize that broadly at all for SFer's being wannabe hipsters or SoCaler's being conservative hollywood idiots.

I do think SoCalers are getting more conservative with a rise in the hispanic/latino population and increase of wealthy loud mouths.

[nolabels]

25. NOT, The populations are changing, but it seems a lot of the.........

The conservatives are moving out to different states like AZ,ID,OR and WA. We have so many influxes of different people from all over the place, its hard to tell where a lot of them are from. The turnover is leading to a lot of the Repubs getting voted out. That was a great day when B-1 Bob got his walking papers :kick:

[ronnykmarshall]

28. That was sweet!

The loved it when Loretta Sanchez cleaned his clock.

[musiclawyer]

24. The Anti-South Bias....

has a lot of historical roots--from water policy relatively recently to economic and political envy (the south ended up with more people and muscle) in the 20th century after 19th century dominance by the north. But having been raised in the South and spent the majority of my adult years in the North the past 20 years, I concur that there is a lot less Southern Cal bashing. The progressives are not now just in SF proper. In fact SF proper is really tiny. The progressive numbers start adding up when you bring in people from Oakland/Berkeley, Marin, San Jose, and fanning out into the nice burbs in Contra Costa. Many of these people are transplants who've never been exposed to native SF southern bashing. And the more asian and latin the coastal counties in the South become (transplants) the more the North and South progressives begin to look and speak very much alike. So I wouldn't worry about the progressives in this state. They will become more and more united as the years go by. The task is to establish a government based on reason, wherein the elected leaders are immunized the from the special interests, both those on the left and the right. That's the only way a big "country" like Califiornia can be run. We've seen the other model. It clearly doesn't work.