Does the Left hate George Bush more than it hates murder?(DU is mentioned)

[VermontDem2004]

The campaign by the angry Left in America and Europe to discredit our victory in Iraq has crossed a line. It's not legitimate criticism anymore; it's toxic waste.

*These people hate President Bush more than they hate Qusai, the Saddam son who liked to watch political prisoners get fed alive into a wood chipper.

*They hate Bush more than they hate Odai, the Saddam son who punished a woman who had spurned him by covering her with honey and feeding her to two starving Doberman pinschers.

*And they hate Bush more than they hate Saddam himself, a man who not so long ago machine-gunned thousands of people at a trench in a town called Hilla in exactly the same way that the Nazis once machine-gunned thousands of people at a ravine in Ukraine called Babi Yar.

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[wryter2000]

1. Is there any way to point out

Is there any way to point out to those dimwits that DU isn't an organization that represents the Democratic Party but a group of individuals with very diverse opinions who are given great lattitude to post their opinions.

[ibegurpard]

5. Doubtful

That would require a level of sophisticated thinking that would probably scramble their brains.

[arcane1]

8. nope. Repubes are lock-step thinkers

they cannot comprehend the idea that we could have, gasp, more than ONE idea!

[The Backlash Cometh]

14. Very true.

My biggest disagreements on this message board are with non-Democrats (usually Libertarians). And, in fact, I'm registered "no party."

[ElsewheresDaughter]

2. aren't they synonymous bush* and murder(er)?

every death certificate from the executed prisoners of Huntsville TX. has listed as cause of death "homicide"

[Demobrat]

4. Well, yeah.

Asking whether we hate GWB more than murder is like asking which smells worse, dog or cat poop?

[Mike Niendorff]

3. re: "one of their number"

I'd be more impressed with this argument if an actual *source link* was included so I could see if these (alleged) quotes were posted by a regular or by some 10-post freeper. Sadly, he doesn't identify the thread title, the date, the posting handle -- *nothing* that would allow anyone to check up on whether he's getting his facts straight. IOW, standard practice for today's standardless Republicans.


MDN

[lazarus]

7. It was a regular

and the overwhelming majority of people who responded disagreed. That little tidbit got left out, as well.

[Mike Niendorff]

10. which regular?

Also, does anyone have a link to the thread in question? Just because a RW columnist doesn't identify his sources doesn't mean that we can't do it ourselves.


MDN

[Booberdawg]

13. This has mome up before

in the last couple weeks. It was posted by a regular here. I don't have a link but I did see it when it was originally written and again after this quote was mentioned.

[bowens43]

6. as soon as this a** wipe said 'our victory in Iraq '

he lost all credibility. What the US did in Iraq is a victory only in the way a successful rape or murder is a victory. The most powerful and wealthiest nation in the world, destroying and occupying one of the poorest and weakest in an unprovoked attack, can in no way be considered a victory. Yes, IMO bush is no better then Qusai, Odai and saddam. They are all mass murderers. They are all evil and vile. The biggest difference is that what bush does directly affects MY life , MY childrens lives and MY country. the idiot is a far greater threat to me and mine then saddam and sons could ever have hoped to be.

[IndianaGreen]

9. What "victory" in Iraq?

The last I saw we were in a full blown guerrilla war as in Vietnam in 1963.

[ibegurpard]

11. I e-mailed this asshole.

"Mr. Bowers:

I really had to stop and catch my breath at the thought that you could write that column with a straight face. Several cherry-picked comments out of a message board with thirty thousand members is an indictment of "the left?"
By your logic, I suppose I make the same leap and judge everyone on the right by "plain-speaking conservative" Ann Coulter's comments to George Gurley detailed in the 8/25/02 edition of the New York Observer where she was quoted as saying "My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building." So am I to assume because plain-speaking Ann Coulter said this that ALL plain-speaking conservatives think that New York Times reporters deserve to be bombed?
I would call that hypocrisy but I doubt that would faze you since obviously Ann Coulter and yourself (since you are holding her up as the paragon of plain-speaking conservatism) have absolutely no understanding of the concept.
By the way, I am certainly not crying over the deaths of Saddam Hussein's sons and I also think that George W. Bush is the worst president of my lifetime."

What a toad!

[w4rma]

12. Here is the thread cited. Notice that it is full with disagreements.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=63877&mesg_id=63877&page=

Uday and Qusay: The Men Who Knew Too Much

A BUZZFLASH EDITORIAL
...
Forget that the president of the United States betrayed a nation, that his staff allegedly destroyed a CIA agent specializing in the tracking of WMDs by outing her for revenge and intimidation, that lies have become the coin of the realm for this administration, that a Congressional report (even one censored by the White House) implies that the Bush administration was asleep at the wheel in trying to prevent an Al-Qaeda attack -- forget all this. What Americans need is a grisly shot of the bad guys -- a la the famous photo of a dead John Dillinger -- laid out on autopsy tables, their bodies crisscrossed with stitches like a beggar's blanket.

And how dare anyone question why the remains of Saddam's sons should suddenly show up the week that the report on 9/11 is issued or during a period when Bush was on the ropes for lying. And how dare anyone ask why the Bush Cartel wouldn't want to try and actually capture Uday and Qusay to obtain information about WMDs, Iraqi war plans, Iraqi bad guys still at large, the location of their father, information on the "alleged" relationship with Al-Qaeda, and so on. Wouldn't they potentially provide the mother lode of information to corroborate all the Bush cartel claims about why Bush led our young men and women to die in Iraq? Come on now, wouldn't the Saddam sons be able to prove all the Bush accusers and doubters WRONG?

Of course, Uday and Qusay weren't taken alive because -- like the captured Iraqi scientists that the Bush Cartel will not make available to the media -- Uday and Qusay knew too much. If the Bush claims about Iraq's alleged immediate threat to the security of the United States were true, Uday and Qusay would have been witnesses number one and two, trotted out before the media to redeem the Bush's administration's soiled credibility, thus allowing Bush to slam dunk his critics.
...
After all, the Bush Cartel didn't want you guys singing like canaries. As far as they are concerned, the best canary is a dead one.

Who knows what songs a live canary might sing?
http://www.buzzflash.com/editorial/03/07/28.html
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=3324&mesg_id=3324

Bowers's column is talked about here, also:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=4460&mesg_id=4460

[Terwilliger]

15. A popular website on the Left?

How do I look? Do I smell bad? Where's my tux?!

[gulliver]

16. Does the right care more about Bush or U.S. troops?

Rush Limbaugh was complaining that troop deaths were being reported too much (in his opinion). Do Limbaugh and his followers care more about Bush's reelection than the situaton of U.S. troops in Iraq? I think some of them sure do.

Also, Rumsfeld doesn't want to increase troop strength or the size of the armed forces... same thing.

[pansypoo53219]

17. well, i guess

they know me cause i sure as hell hate bush more than sadaam and his spawn, because BUSH is HERE. and i live HERE.

[phaseolus]

18. Being a shill for the right wing sure is a cushy job, isn't it???

The only guys who really put a lot of effort into it are the ones who brainstorm the talking points (& presumably test them out in focus groups...)

Couple weeks ago a memo must have gone out saying something about the "libs'" and "Democrat Party's" pathological hatred of Bush. Now they're parroting the party line and collecting paychecks.

I s'pose it's comforting to the sheeple soul -- they probably realized, way way WAY down, that their own hatred of anything Clinton was a little wierd and a little twisted. With this idea floatin' across the airwaves and op-ed pages, they can project away...

[newyawker99]

19. VermontDem2004

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[sistersofmercy]

20. First of all

We have this little thing called "due process". Anyone heard of innocent until proven guilty? My take on the spin is, Oh and I could be wrong, wasn't there, don't know for sure, but look at historical facts. Papa Bush did this whole smear thing with Dukasis. It was Willie Horton, the furloughed felon that raped and killed a pregnant white woman, won him the election in 88. Pan forward to 90 during the events that led to the Gulf war, Iraqi soldiers raping woman in front of their children. Incubator babies being thrown onto the streets by Iraqi soldiers. Both turned out not to be true. Both were revealed to be propaganda by the Papa Bush admin and Kuwaitis to draw the American public into the war.