Poll: Is Dean just another Ralph Nader whom will divide swing voters?

[jfkennedy]

Is Dean just another Ralph Nader whom the Republicans will sponsor like Nader to divide the swing vote?

Vote here:

http://antiwarmonger.com

2000 swing vote summary

The Republicans filed lawsuits to stop swing state voting.The Republicans have a huge war chest. They will bribe Democrats and the media, and University liberals like Nader.The only one that can win is General Clark. Read the two following articles about the 2000 election about a week before election 2000 and the day of the election.

http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,39860,00.html

So what's a Nader-loving, Bush-bashing voter to do? How can one support Nader, who needs 5 percent of the popular vote to qualify for federal matching funds during the next election, while ensuring a Gore White House?

Swap it.

That's the advice of people who have put up a host of websites encouraging Nader voters and Gore voters to "trade" votes with each other -- allowing Gore to win swing states like Wisconsin, Oregon and Pennsylvania, while letting Nader win votes in Bush-secure states such as Texas.

http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,39860,00.html

http://www.bushwatch.com/october2000.htm


BUSH BACKERS BUY ADS FOR NADER IN SWING STATES

Ralph Nader's goal to get George W. Bush elected got a push from a pro-Bush committee yesterday, the Republican Leadership Council. According to a 10/27/00 AP story, the RLC has made an ad consisting of footage of Nader attacking Gore and is buying $10,000 worth of ad time to be used to keep the Bush lead in Oregon and to move Bush ahead in Washington and Wisconsin, two states that are up for grabs.

The AP also noted that the RLC ad buy for Nader comes at a very good time for the Green Party candidate, since he doesn't have the money to afford the cost of the ad campaign the Republicans are launching for him: "Nader, running a low-budget campaign, is not currently airing any television commercials of his own and it's possible that the RLC will end up spending more on pro-Nader media than Nader himself.


http://www.bushwatch.com/october2000.htm

[polpilot]

1. Was Nader's poll numbers similar to Dean's at this point in the

process. Nooooooooooooooooooooo. Absurd comparison.

Dean '04

[Trajan]

2. IF the GOP is DUMB enough to make this false analogy ...

and PAY for Dean's campaign ... then have at it ....

You apparently buy into the idea that Dean is 'too leftist', otherwise you wouldnt have started this thread ...

WHAT is the underlying message here ? ...

WHAT are you trying to say ? ...

[Warpy]

6. I think he's trying to say

...he's a GOPer who's managed 76 posts on this forum without being caught.

[pruner]

3. this is an absurd analogy

Nader was a 3rd party candidate so votes for him were in effect votes that would've likely gone to Gore by a large margin.

Dean has said he would only run as the Democratic party nominee...not as an Independent.

therefore, a vote for Dean would not be a vote that would've otherwise gone to the Democratic nominee.

as such, Dean does not = Nader.

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[pruner]

5. I hadn't noticed that...

but it doesn't surprise me at all.

this topic is, in a word, STUPID.

[jfkennedy]

8. But a vote for Dean is a vote for Bush

Well if you can look at it like I do. Is it possible that Dean cannot win? And if that is possible that he cannot win then any votes for Dean if he runs against Bush in 2004 is a vote for Bush. Why exactly can Dean win? You Deanites base your assumption on the fact that he was antiwar. And because he was antiwar he is the great liberal hope for the future. A liberal or a progressive is much more then being antiwar.

In fact being antiwar is even Republican though I am not a Republican I think Ike’s speech about the military industrial complex was right on the mark. So Dean's greatest thing for the world is he was against the war and had a few people give him some money. Did Gandhi say while he was kicking the British out with non-violent principles, well, I am the only one that spoke up against the war, and allot of people are giving me money so I guess the British will just want to leave now. Right? Wrong.

Gandhis principles of non-violence was a radical difference then the laws of the British. Gandhi said get out of India. He did not say well, I am the only one that had courage to say I don't want you here, and allot of people are giving me money and even more I am a British citizen and most of the British lawmakers will just welcome us asking them to leave India, because I am a conservative (Republican) Britain just like they are in heart. Give me break.

[JohnKleeb]

10. Dean isnt liberal or progressive though

If he was, I would be flocking for him probably, not sure but Dean isnt progressive or liberal, I dont doubt he can win.

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[Woodstock]

9. Yes there is a thread that says the exact same thing

And there were too many facts and too much reality for them on that one, so they needed to start another one.

[w4rma]

11. Here is the dublicate thread

Poll: Is Dean just another Ralph Nader that will divide the swing vote?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=154012&mesg_id=154012

[SyracuseDemocrat]

12. I don't think so

n/t.

[AWD]

13. Didn't the title claim this was a poll???

[Dover]

14. DIVIDE the Dem party? Who exactly would Dean be taking votes from?

Are you suggesting that someone else is a party favorite who represents the party better than Dean?

This post assumes a great deal imo. And I don't think those assumptions are even accurate.

[jfkennedy]

17. Democrats

He will be taking votes from democrats because he cannot win. I know you all like to say in a group how right you are and how wrong I am.

But look at the facts. Who is Dean as a democrat? He is not God. And Frankly he reminds me of a used car salesmen, with that fake smile. He is probably more conservative then Clinton. Most liberals such as myself, would and did vote for Clinton because anything was better then Republicans. But that was then this is now.

Republicans have and will have control over this country for a long time. The reason why they have control is simply because the democrats don't want to win, they want to make deals. So what difference does it make even if the democrats get in and Dean is just as conservative as the Republicans.

I am opposed to the death penalty. I feel America’s support of the death penalty has made us less respectful around the world. How can we respect freedom and the freedoms democracy gives its citizens if we have and inhuman death penalty law, which has been outlawed by most of the countries of the world.

And he is for no gun control. Does he not know that the gun is just another symbol of wars destructions. This country used guns before to use in wars before it had the A-Bomb. So a gun is a tool of war, and inhumane instrument that causes destruction just as wars do.

I have been a liberal all my life and the attitude of the Democrats on this board is an accurate reflection of democrats attitudes towards liberals. How in the hell Limbaugh and the media can not see that there is a difference between a liberal and a democrat is mind boggling.

Most on the board can see the tensions. But the Republicans can't?

We are at a point in history were we as a people cannot have it both ways. Such as be a liberal and a conservative.

Democrat or conservative. Or democrat and conservative.

Why have not all you democrats used the energy you have toward liberals for the past 40 years and used it to be critical of Limbaugh. He and his party are just a bunch of con men, with a ton of money.

Now the party wants to appeal to a voter, with the mantra anything is better then a Republican.However, with the Republicans having control over all parts of the government, frankly, liberals no longer have a need to even talk to democrats, anymore now or in the future. We did in the past and took your attitudes for granted so we could piss off the Republicans.

I am talking to you people tonight because I think all people are basically good, and I hope you will understand that but know at the same time the chances of Democrats getting any liberals support is zero.

And most liberals such as me have no time for democrats, as we did in the past. The times have changed wake up. You have treated us like you are on this thread for years, and we continue to be respectful because if we become like you we become something we are not. We a friendly, happy people perhaps poor but we have more wealth then any of you. You had your power and now it's all gone get over it.

So when I hear democrats saying anything but Bush but at the same time the Democrats do anything the Republicans want, as soon as they get in office, I get confused and with that dismay frustration and thus leave the party.

Other people will probably come along and call themselves liberals and say how much we support one another but not me. I cannot support a party that sold out. I knew it sold out years ago, but now with so many things changing, I cannot support the Democratic team when it’s philosophy is so different then mine.

So so different.

Good luck I hope you all have nice night.

God Bless

[wheresthemind]

15. this is the stupist question I've ever heard...

How is he anything like Nader?

Progressive? No

3rd Party? No




Dean would take no votes from the Presidential Nominee in the General election...

Will someone suspends this guy acount?

[ryharrin]

16. I believe we already covered ths here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=154012&mesg_id=154012