Perhaps Davis should step down

[neuvocat]

but not without a fight first. Bustamente' would become the first latino governor here in this state and easily take away the latino vote from repukes nationwide, thereby gaining high levels of influence. Its a no brainer.

I hope it doesn't come that but democrats nationwide would become much stronger in the process and perhaps much better off.

[mike_c]

1. at this point there is nothing to be gained by Davis resigning....

He should have done it BEFORE the recall was certified-- now the vote will occur whether he steps down or not. There might be a good argument to be made for him simply admitting that he's toast and diverting his considerable campaign skills to insuring that everyone goes to the polls knowing PRECISELY who's responsible for California's economic meltdown and that they will vote for a progressive liberal democrat, independent, or Green rather than a republican bad actor, former bad mayor, or religious right-wingnut for whom the term "repig" is actually insulting to pigs....

[Rose Siding]

5. Don't you think a recall would not then

have been initiated against Cruz? It's Dems they want to oust, not just Davis.

[Piperay]

2. It's pointless now,

to late, wouldn't do anyone any good and just make Davis look like he's scared. :shrug: :-(

[IndianaGreen]

3. It will take the momentum away from the dump Davis coalition

and help the voters focus on the issues, and on what then-Governor Bustamante can do to solve California's problems.

Bustamante will have to contend with Peter Camejo and his progressive message, which may take some votes away from him that Bustamante needs badly:

SHOULD THE GREENS RUN?

Some Democrats and a few Greens have suggested we should not run, and instead oppose the recall. To do so, in my opinion, only helps the Republicans.

There will only be one major voice in this campaign that has consistently opposed energy deregulation, the billions in energy giveaways, and the present cut backs. Only one voice who will fight for electoral democracy, and call for a progressive and fair tax plan. That voice will come from a Green candidate. For us to remain silent is irresponsible and only helps the Republicans to present themselves as the answer. We need to expose the Republicans without engaging in any of the fake demagoguery and obfuscation that Governor Davis uses to imply that supporting the recall and supporting the Republicans are one and the same thing. That line will only lead to increasing the credibility of the Republicans.

http://votecamejo.org

[shance]

4. Okay, you want Dems to give a green light for more Republican abuse!

Wow - now that is principled. And speaking of principles where are Bustamontes? Whew now there's a guy I would want on my side. Who cares if he is a Latino? That is irrelevant if he lacks moral character, which seems pretty apparent with this latest opportunistic, rather back stabbing move. With Democrats like him, who needs Republicans? He is also a Lieberman allie which probably means corporate interests and DLC are in the wings.

Neuvocat - I ask this honestly. Are you a Democrat?

A few other questions:

Are you aware of the origin and consequences of this recall? Are you a Californian? Do you like California? If you do like California, do you realize how much this will cost the Californians all because of a wrongful power grab, AND the one who even began all this ISSA is not even running now.

And please tell me what has Gray Davis done to initiate this recall? Has he embezzled money or done anything inherently illegal? NO, but Issa apparently has a history in being arrested. Did Davis call in the Energy companies who manipulated and forced us to utilize overcharged energy? No, thats a result of Pete Wilson's lovely deregulation plan. How has Davis been harmful? How would it be beneficial to the Democratic party if he stepped down? Tell me tell me tell me.

Or in fact, has Davis been the one wronged? Yes, he won the election fair and square and they have targetted him and now you are asking him to step down because the Republicans are trying to steal the governship.

Okay now I see the logic......

[neuvocat]

6. Here are your answers:

"Neuvocat - I ask this honestly. Are you a Democrat?"

No, I switched to Green after the Dems stopped supporting Gore. Had they given better support for Davis this wouldn't have happened. I will not be voting for Camejo. Do you even know who the fuck he is without having to look him up on Google? No.

A few other questions:

"Are you aware of the origin and consequences of this recall?"

Yes, it was bankrolled by Darrel Issa, who's from Vista, not far from here.

"Are you a Californian?"

Born and rainsed in San Diego and yes I still live here.

"Do you like California?"

Perhaps I should ask you if you like the planet earth. "Yes" would be the answer for you. A question for you, did you happen to see where I said Davis should fight this one out and step down as a backup plan? The answer apparently for you would be "No."

If you do like California, do you realize how much this will cost the Californians all because of a wrongful power grab, AND the one who even began all this ISSA is not even running now.

Better than 30 million at least.


"And please tell me what has Gray Davis done to initiate this recall?"

Davis did not initiate this recall. Where in God's name did you get that idea? A sitting governor doesn't do that. The recall was initiated by Issa and others on the extreme right.

"Has he embezzled money or done anything inherently illegal? NO, but Issa apparently has a history in being arrested."

Yeah well no shit. And Simon was being sued for fraud until a judge threw out the settlement against him, calling him a victim. It was absurd, although you yourself may not agree.

"Did Davis call in the Energy companies who manipulated and forced us to utilize overcharged energy? No, thats a result of Pete Wilson's lovely deregulation plan."

Again you are misinformed. Assemblyman Steve Peace (D-San Diego) was the one who lobbied for deregulation for many years. Once that went into effect we started having the phantom energy crises.


"How has Davis been harmful?"

There is nothing in my statement that said or implied that he was. Your question however implies you believe he was.

"How would it be beneficial to the Democratic party if he stepped down? Tell me tell me tell me."

Read my original post before you just browse the subject line.


"Or in fact, has Davis been the one wronged? Yes, he won the election fair and square and they have targetted him and now you are asking him to step down because the Republicans are trying to steal the governship.

Okay now I see the logic......"

You don't see shit. Here's a news flash for you. Davis was voted in and now there's a recall taking place. Do you see that?? HELLOOO!!!!

Everything you said in your post didn't make any fucking sense. I voted for Davis and I think he should stay in. That didn't stop the recall effort from happening, in case you noticed. He's going to get some badly needed help from Bill Clinton, which may turn everything around. I hope it does.

However you seem pretty content to just let Davis sit there and not think of a backup plan or not consider what may happen to others in the likely event he should be removed. Or maybe you do and you just want to go on about how things are supposed to be.

Wake the fuck up already and look what's going on in this world. It isn't pretty.

[neuvocat]

7. kick