Selection 2000 VNS Exit Polling was thrashed- because Gore WON

[TruthIsAll]

"A CNN report shows the exit polling was substantially wrong in six states," said Seigenthaler.
BULL.

"Exit polling is for the birds," said Mathis. "I see very little use for polling, especially in the political process and especially when put in the hands of the media that has a run-with-it ethic."
MORE BULL.

Exit polling has historically been very accurate - too accurate for the Repuke-driven media who had it in for Gore.

This article shows that the Repukes perpetuated the myth that Exit Polls failed in 2000. And now we know they lied in 2002 when the myth was that VNS did not have the "kinks" out of the new system.

In 2000, the propaganda they fed us was that VNS was strapped for cash. That's a load of BULL. They KNEW early on that GORE was a winner. As soon as they realized it, they set in motion a plan to thrash the Exit Polls - especially in Florida.

This was the precursor to 2002, when VNS scrapped their exit polling completely when they realized the Democrats were winning the critical Senate races, contrary to what the rigged voting machines would show.

We should see it all so clearly now with 20-20 hindsight - and a lot more knowledge.

http://www.freedomforum.org/templates/document.asp?documentID=13102

Reporters failed in their coverage of 2000 presidential election, panelists say

By Alicia Benjamin-Samuels
freedomforum.org
02.16.01

NASHVILLE, Tenn. — Many reporters practiced reckless journalism while covering the 2000 presidential election, according to participants in a Feb. 8 panel on "Media Coverage of the 2000 Election."

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Factors that lead to careless media coverage of the 2000 election include media organizations' heavy reliance on the Voter News Service, exit polling, and their rush to be first with the news.

"VNS was strapped for cash and didn't have the kind of staff they had had in the past," said Kovach. The television networks relied on the Voter News Service data instead of hiring knowledgeable reporters to cover the election in the field, he said.

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Poor coverage of the 2000 election was influenced by the networks' reluctance to invest the amount of money necessary to cover the event properly, Kovach continued. "For example, ABC got rid of 10 reporters to hire George Stephanopoulos to talk about what might be going on rather than have 10 reporters in the field to talk about what was going on," he said.

Television stations were inaccurately and prematurely predicting the winner of the election and newspapers had television sets in the newsrooms, helping them to decide what they would report, Kovach said. "The New York Times was under pressure to match what was being said on television, so they had an early edition with Bush winning. Nobody really knew who was winning."

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"A CNN report shows the exit polling was substantially wrong in six states," said Seigenthaler.

"Exit polling is for the birds," said Mathis. "I see very little use for polling, especially in the political process and especially when put in the hands of the media that has a run-with-it ethic."

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The panelists said other factors that led to chaos in the 2000 presidential election coverage included confusing ballots and a disparity in polling accommodations.

"If television networks are relying on exit polls and a voter tells a reporter that they voted for Gore when they actually voted for Ralph Nader, because the ballot was confusing, then the reporting will be incorrect," said Seigenthaler. "The exit poller skews the results," he said.

more..

GET OVER IT?

[Trek234]

1. Or maybe

the exit polling wasn't wrong, but the vote counting was wrong?

[TruthIsAll]

5. The vote counting was fixed by various means - so the exit polls had to

be thrashed to go along with bogus vote counting. The point is, if proper resources were applied to the VNS exit polling, it would have been clear as day that Gore won - so they had to skew the results by sabotaging the effort, so that they could then say that the whole exercise was chaotic, inaccurate.

[Cheswick2.0]

2. the VNS results were correct

It worked in every other state and it worked in florida. More people voted for Gore and said so to the people taking the polls. Jeb belongs in prison, but the fu**er just keeps on collecting money from the tax payers.

[zorkpolitics]

3. Garbage in Garbage out

A while back I read that the VNS was using old computers (I think they were DOS machines, pre-Windows era) with old models. They had failed to account for the dramatic increase in absentee voting seen in many states, thus polling only voters on election day did not represent the votes of people who voted earlier. So in many states they were wrong.
Bad model, bad results, no conspiracy

[w13rd0]

4. You'll have to pardon us if we cry Bushit...

...and don't take your word for it...

[TruthIsAll]

6. You really think the Repukes didn't steal it in 2000 every which way

they could? They had to thrash the Exit Polls which showed Gore the winner. Either do that or admit that they were fixing the ballots by "The Butterfly", double and triple punching Gore votes, accepting illegal late absentees, and on and on...

If votes were counted as intended, Gore would have won by at least 40,000 votes.

This is a fact. Conspiracy -of course. These things just don't happen by chance, do they?

[meow2u3]

19. Remember Duval county, FL, in 2000?

That's when tens of thousands of "overvotes" were thrown out because crooked election workers (read: Repuke operatives) pre-punched ballots for Bush unbenownst to the unsuspecting voters. :grr:

[Gman]

8. FL was the only state they changed

and BTW, didn't Gore also win the absentee, or just barely lose it? Don't forget the GOP challenged every likely democratic absentee ballot. So your a bit off basehere.

[RC]

9. Doesn't matter

Exit polling only polls the voter leaving the polling place, period. That is why it is called exit polling. It also does not matter whether DOS 2 or XP Pro was used. Exit polling worked till it was stopped to cover the voting fraud.

[robbedvoter]

10. They predicted correctly for 49 states that election - that is

all the states not run by a candidate's brother. Heck, they predicted correctly for many many elections - local and national - years and years before. And, darn bad luck, in Florida everything didn't go right. And for that the entire system gets dismantled. But you see nothing strange here...Okie Dokie then.

[ex_jew]

11. I think you are wrong...

VNS was run on very solid and reliable IBM mainframe hardware using IMS databases. No problem there. Unfortunately, someone decided that they must change with the times to a client/server architecture, and the conversion process was was never adequately tested prior to the election. I believe Battelle Memorial Institute deserves a large measure of blame for this fiasco.

[althecat]

15. Hiya XJ, Can you tell us more

You seem to know more about what went wrong at VNS than any news report I have yet read.

What always puzzled me about 2002 was how come there were no stories subsequently explaining what went wrong.

Scoop Link: What Is The Voter News Service Hiding?
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0211/S00082.htm

That plus the fact that they extremely quickly moved to get rid of VNS altogether...

[Cheswick2.0]

12. no

there wasn't that large an increase in absentee voting.

[Ani Yun Wiya]

17. Tell me how...

After sixty years of accurate polling of election results, does VNS all of a sudden become completely discredited based on the events of just one night in just one state?

[Gman]

7. I'll go to my grave knowing

that the exit polls were right on the money and Gore won Florida and the election. It was when the networks, using the FL exit polls, called FL for Gore that the GOP went into panic mode and the overthrow of the government started.

Mary Matlin's outrageous disbelief and babbling that night about how it couldn't be true that FL went for Gore because of the absentee ballots and other incoherent rantings that caused me to begin to be suspicious hours before the deadlock. Matlin just kept saying there was no way and she knew there was no way. Matlin knew how the fix for FL was supposed to work and it wasn't working. They were all in panic mode at this point.

[ewagner]

13. 2002 is starting to make sense.

We were supposed to be treated to the "new and improved"VNS system, but do you remember what happened?

VNS stopped giving data because results didn't agree with their models and newsmen (talking heads) had to wing it.

Until I heard about BBV, I thought VNS was the most incompetetent organization on the face of the earth. But I see it entirely differently now. If votes aren't recorded the way people actually vote, then exit polls are worthless. Worse yet, even on the night of the 2002 election, VNS people were dumbfounded by the incredible statistical error that was taking place.

No, VNS isn't stupid. Statistics are accurate. Those counting the votes were not accurate or honest.

I hate to wear the tinfoil hat, but this is just too much coincidence.

[grasswire]

14. I wonder....

.....what the six states were?

[monchie]

16. Remember this...

Not long before USA Election 2000, Slobo Milosevic's attempt to steal the Yugoslav election was foiled--because the exit polls showed different results than the vote count.

Of course in Yugoslavia, the people rose up and peacefully thwarted this attempt to destroy democracy. I guess they cared more about democracy than Americans do.

[nolabels]

18. So do we go Yugoslavia or Tiananmen Square

This stuff with elections seems to be going on all over the globe. They seem to have turned the CIA's manipulatons of elections from the last 40 years that they were doing in differant countries, on to the place where it originated from.