I think Arnold is going down over Proposition 187.

[Clete]

It's probably one of the few times he voted and he voted against it. It's been getting a big play on the local news here in So. Calif., which means the Hispanic population is hearing about it wide and clear and over and over again. Let's hope this is what does it.

The rest of the batwinged Republican candidates that the WH thinks might be able to fill his place don't stand a chance. Seems things are looking up. One can hope.:+

[Democat]

1. Arnold is beating Cruz with Hispanics right now

While political analysts have predicted that Bustamante, the highest-ranking Latino politician in California history, would command strong support from the state’s heavily Democratic Latino voters, the survey showed Schwarzenegger leading Bustamante among that fast-growing sector of the electorate, 32 percent to 23 percent.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/951060.asp?0dm=C22LN

It is very early, though, and many people in the poll said they had never heard of Cruz.

[not systems]

2. I agree

This is the first issue to pierce his aura of being invulnerable.

I think his connection with Pete Wilson can be used
to great effect if tied to Enron and the Ken Lay meeting
with both during the power fraud.

Are there pictures from this meeting?

That would be great!

[IndianaGreen]

3. I thought Arnold voted for Prop 187

which tried to bar illegal immigrants from social services. It is now in the courts!

While Prop 187 went overboard and it is probably unconstitutional, it was trying to address a legitimate State concern: Should tax money be used to provide health services, schooling, etc., to people that are illegally in this country? Particularly now that California has a huge deficit?

Most Hispanics were either born here, or are legal residents. They have as much a stake that limited State resources go first to citizens and legal residents, not undocumented aliens.

Here is a very good 1995 article that describes the reasons why Prop 187 was first proposed, and why many of its more draconian provisions raised questions about civil liberties and America's attitudes towards immigrants, legal and illegal alike.

California's Proposition 187 and Its Lessons
By Stanley Mailman
New York Law Journal (p. 3, col. 1)

January 3, 1995

As members of Congress decide how to trim expenditures from public assistance programs and other publicly funded services, they should take a broad view. It makes little sense to legislate in this area without an eye to the immigration laws and policies under which the affected aliens are here; and the reduction of federal programs is no saving if it simply shifts their costs to the states and communities where the aliens and their families live. At the same time, state legislatures, frustrated with federal policies and programs, should stifle the temptation to compete with Congress's role in controlling the borders.*3

Out of just such frustration, the voters of California enacted Proposition 187 on Nov. 8. That statute is a dramatic effort to drive out undocumented aliens and to deter their entry by cutting them off from medical and other public services and depriving their children of an education.*4 (It was described in the official ballot argument as ``the first giant stride in ultimately ending the ILLEGAL ALIEN invasion.''*5)

The statute was immediately attacked as unconstitutional in several lawsuits, and its operation shackled by restraining orders. On Dec. 14, U.S. District Court Judge Mariana R. Pfaelzer of the Central District of California issued an oral decision to enjoin the major provisions of Proposition 187 until trial.*6

Constitutional Violations

Based on the judge's statement, the written decision/order, when issued in January, will find that much of the statute violates two of the provisions of the Constitution -- (1) the Supremacy Clause,*7 by stepping on ground preempted by federal immigration law; and (2) the Fourteenth Amendment, first, by effectively ordering the deportation of California residents without hearings or other due process of law and, second, by denial of free education to undocumented children, that Amendment's Equal Protection clause.

http://ssbb.com/article1.html

[rudeboy666]

6. 187

The arguments for propositions like 187(though this particular one might not have been a good manifestation of of these arguments) are rock solid. Even many Latinos would agree with many of the premises of these types of propositions!

However, these arguments are not made in a vaccuum. There is always a racial component surrounding them. That is, the sudden appearance of a 'Mexican' problem(and the need for these propositions) whenever the economy falters. Or the fear among many of the white anglo population over the 'browning' of America(thus the need for propositions to stop this cultural/racial invasion).

It is not so much the legitimate arguments of these propositions as it is the motivations behind them that disturb most Latinos.

[IndianaGreen]

7. I am Latina myself, and I do draw the distinction between legal aliens

and undocumented aliens. It is true that the GOP always used a racist subtext to many of their proposals, the "English Only" readily comes to mind. But what I reading lately is that Davis has demagogued Prop 187 and other similar measures by first opposing and now supporting, giving driver's licenses to illegal aliens.

Although I heard (probably in DU) that Arnold voted for Prop 187, I have yet to find a link to that.

On Latino minds: Davis turns to the left

By Pilar Marrero
Pacific News Service

(Published Wednesday, August, 6, 2003 8:49AM)

Editor's Note: Driver's licenses for undocumented immigrants are just the first of several unexpected but politically wise moves by a governor feeling the heat of an October recall election.

LOS ANGELES -- With the recall pending over his head like the Sword of Damocles, Gov. Gray Davis is becoming a progressive reborn. The first to benefit are undocumented immigrants, who will finally have a chance to have something that most everyone takes for granted: a drivers license.

Davis voiced his support for SB60, the drivers license bill that he himself vetoed last year, at a union barbecue in Echo Park this Saturday. Surrounding him were the union leaders and activists that he needs to mobilize what could amount to the most crucial swing vote for him to keep his governorship: the Latinos.

http://www.vidaenelvalle.com/politics/english/story/7247480p-8174325c.html

[Democat]

8. This shows the left can influence moderate Democratic politicians

Davis is willing to move to the left if he thinks it will help him to get and stay elected.

That's how the far right has forced the Republican party to the right, by convincing them that they will not be able to get elected and stay in office unless they cater to the far right.

[rudeboy666]

4. ???????????????????

"...It's probably one of the few times he voted and he voted against it...."___voted against it?

[DagmarK]

5. I hope you are right........

but him being against 187 is going to draw a lot of freepers who might not normally vote.

And since when in the last few years did any group -- minority or otherwse -- show up to vote for a candidate because of his platform. Hell bells......the TERMINATOR, Mr. Total Recall is going to save the day........ ahnuld will get a lot of votes; and I hope that wife of his gets an equal number of social slights!! eerrrggg