Why Don't Real Men Wear Lace Panties.......or Vote for Kerry???

[BabsSong]

Observing men.......like men in trucks with their flags and support bumper stickers and other such crap. I realized that most of these number than a pound of dumb dopes embrace Bush and republicans because it has been hyped as the "manly man" thing; while supporting any Democrat is for wussies and women. But it wasn't always that way. Several decades ago, it was very manly to support Democrats because real men stood up with unions and fought for wages and benefits and fought for their families. The pricks in their minds were the corporation kiss-asses. Now days these men elect people who spend every waking hour trying to turn them into American peons and neuter them. They have even gotten so brain scrubbed that they spit on someone who actually fought in a real war and adore the rich frat boy who drank, snorted coke, and went AWOL. Is there any one in this nation who can make real men out of these losers again?? They don't stand up and even fight for themselves any more. If they did, the Republican Party would be so in the minority that Nader could beat them.

[5X]

1. sweeping generalities are best left to those at freerepublic.com

voted for Kucinich and not only eat quiche, but cook it.
I also drive a pickup.

[BabsSong]

3. And you know damn well what I'm talking about....don't you???

We have seen a huge departure over the last 15 years or so from the Democratic Party of men. The demographics of Limbaugh listeners are white males 18 to 40. That doesn't mean no women listen to him. But it means that these guys are quite content to sit and listen to Rush tell them who to blame for their lives, rather than listen to people who try to tell them who is destroying their lives. The wealthy boys know very well why they vote republican. But we know that there is a mammoth gulf when it comes to white male voters in the Dem Party. They were there once before the repukes convinced them that it wasn't the manly thing to do. How do we get them back???

[PVnRT]

7. Well

Calling them "dopes" certainly does little more than add fuel to the conservative argument that liberals are a bunch of elitist bastards.

[info being]

9. Manly men do not spend time at DU, so don't worry.

[info being]

8. I think you're right.

[HereSince1628]

2. Bush Cheney 2004: Demonstrated MENdacity

I am betting 97% of REAL MEN won't understand but will think it sounds GREAT.

As a ground test I tried it out on my boss who claims to be a loyal patriotic Republican (who by his own account gets better looking everyday). He failed with flying colors.

[Bandit]

4. They have their guns ~ That makes them real men

It makes them cowards to me but what do I know. :shrug:

[BabsSong]

5. Bandit--yes, before they used their "spine" to actually take a stand

and fight for themselves and their families. Now they buy guns and support the Rifle Association in lieu of actually having to stand up and be counted.

[libcurious]

6. Why is owning guns bad

I own plenty, hate anti-gun laws and will never join a gun association. I'm not voting for shrub - never have, never will-
So why am I a bad person?

[stopbush]

10. Union membership in the USA is a shadow of what it used to be.

That said, my local Teamsters Union is virulently anti-bush, especially in their official newsletter.

[AndyTiedye]

11. Carefully-crafted Media Image

That's why we've got a cowboy pResident who is afraid of horses.
They recycled all the cowboy imagery that worked so well for Reagan,
Bush* is no cowboy, but he can look like one for a few seconds at a time,
and with a chorus of crooners in the media going on about what a manly man he is
some people are going to buy it.

> Observing men.......like men in trucks with their flags
> and support bumper stickers and other such crap.

the bigger the truck, the more likely it is to have a flag on it. "Steal me some more gas"

> I realized that most of these number
> than a pound of dumb dopes embrace Bush and republicans because it has been hyped > as the "manly man" thing; while supporting any Democrat is for wussies and women.

That is a media creation.
It started in the late 70s when the Repubs started buying up the media in earnest,
shifted into high gear for Reagan's successful Presiential campaign,
and has been continuing at an accelerating pace ever since. They just weave it in everywhere.
It has now become so part of the public discourse that we're stuck with the image,
no matter how out-of-sync it might be with reality.

> But it wasn't always that way. Several decades ago, it was very manly to support
> Democrats because real men stood up with unions and fought for wages and benefits
> and fought for their families.

and quite a bit of it got reported in the news. Now they own the news,
and we no longer hear such stories. Besides, the unions have lost. Outsourcing,
and the threat of it, have utterly destroyed the labor movement in this country.

> Is there any one in this nation who can make real men out of these losers again??

Of course, but we are not likely to hear about them on the evening news, unless it is
the news of their small aircraft going down :-(

[PurityOfEssence]

12. Real men aren't afraid of competition

Conservatism is an attempt to crush all opposition.

The groupthink crap of the Reagan years really illuminated lots of this: it's the greatest country ever, if you're not making it here, you're a defective. Just as those who couldn't see Jesus' beauty in "The Passion" were defectives, those who don't see the unbounded beauty of this country are sick.

If you're not making it here, you're lazy, stupid, self-indulgent or just plain substandard. Hence, many will always shut up and not admit their troubles, since it shows one to be inferior. It doesn't shock me in the least to see conservative being unwilling to complain about the price of gasoline: real men are doing just fine; only losers are having financial troubles.

There's nothing more pathetic than a poor Republican.

I get around a bit, and one of the weird subcultures I'm part of is model builders. This is a group of mostly male, and largely conservative types. The anger and sanctimoniousness on some of these sites is amazing these days. Here are a bunch of guys sniveling about whether "the wife" will allow them to pay $300.00 for a limited-run multi-media ship kit, yet they are staunch Bush supporters trumpeting the genius of this man's courageous stance against the envious world. Yick.

As a white male, I'm just embarrassed by many of my kind. De Tocqueville was right: it's just peer-pressure group tyranny, and it's tiresome. Couple this with the traditional male "independence", and you have a bunch of primitives who can't stop and ask for directions, never admit a mistake and have to strut and bluster like idiots all the time.

Real men can admit mistakes. Real men can admit failings. Real men don't need to rig the system to screw other people. Real men feel some responsibility for fellow humans who are down on their luck. Real men don't feel the need to belittle, ridicule or dismiss everyone else. It's the posturing of masculinity that proves the character failings of the posturer.

[redqueen]

13. I know it's 50-50 nature/nurture

but you still should donate lots of sperm.

Please. :)

[Kool Kitty]

14. The men I know

are voting for Kerry. I consider them all real men.

[geniph]

15. My husband is a big, burly construction worker, and a veteran

(ex-Marine Vietnam combat veteran) and he f***ing HATES Bush and his repugnant ilk.

All generalizations are false. Including that one.

[seabeyond]

17. of course all generalizations are false

and there are exceptions and good for your man the definition of a true man. and not cause he is kerry voter, but because he can see thru the falsities of bush, but.........i think this is a valid question. i know this to be true. i see the men and boys drawn to bush like a fly, like this is what being a man is. dont think it is an off question. the repugs have spent a decade protraying the dems as wimps. and a decade later, we have the worst president ever and still they rally for him cause he is man

[sandnsea]

16. You're right

It's beyond me why people deny it. Certainly no generalization applies to everybody, but the statistics don't lie. For some bizarre reason, men see the Republican Party as standing up for the white male who is working hard for a paycheck and defends the honor of God, country and family with his guns.