The Lies Have Died

[linazelle]

For the past few days...not a peep about Bush, the lies, the war...

I guess Ahnnold's sucking all the air out of the media. Laci's case reared its ugly head the other day just in case Ahnnold and Kobe don't usurp all the attention.

Me? I'm getting fed up at the total powerlessness that people like me have regarding the corruption in the administration. I'm ready to "move on" and forget about politics...just like they told us to do when the lies first surfaced. I might as well, since everybody else has.

[WilliamPitt]

1. Who's this "everyone else" you're talking about?

Never heard of him.

Keep your head in the game.

[MrBenchley]

13. Exactly so

These turds are banking on despair, apathy, hate, corruption and ignorance.

Don't be discouraged. Truth will out.

[nolabels]

19. What the hell are you talking about ? Banking on it ? These folks.....

Spend tons of bank to foster it, just turn on the television and find out for yourself. If it wasn't for football and C-span I could save $28 bucks a month.

I found out yesterday how BBC finances a lot of its programs by taxing each TV individually and rolling the cash back to the BBC to produce the programs. I could go for that in a heartbeat, it would be way better than most of B.S. we have here in the USA now.

Not despair, just being a realist, if you believe one lie, there is good chance you might believe another if your are not careful. :kick:

[gristy]

2. three days where you don't hear anything, and you're ready to give up

Come on man. You need to look a little harder.

[OrdinaryTa]

3. Powerlessness

Powerlessness isn't as powerless as you think. We may not prevail but we can certainly put up resistance. That forces our opponents to continue to exert effort, especially if we remain bold and agile. Elizabeth Janeway's book "Powers of the Weak" discusses the ways the weak can overcome the powerful. The antiwar movement could not stop either Johnson or Nixon, but managed to distract them so that both of them resigned rather than continue.

We Americans still look like chumps after September 11th. We need to acknowledge that our enemies, although weaker than us, can pick out targets of opportunity and inflict pain. The Bush administration's prideful response has not solved the 9/11 crimes. As Al Gore pointed out last week, we are worse off today than two years ago.

Humility is actually power-enhancing. Once we recognize what we can do and what we can't, we can focus our energies on what is likely to succeed. I like Will Pitt's remark: Keep your head in the game. Don't let Karl Rove convince you that resistance is futile. There's still a lot we can do.

[papau]

4. USAToday: W lies/scandals get no press if GOP control everything

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-08-12-special-interest-law_x.htm

Aschroft and Committee heads will not investigate Bush - and the media just does handouts these days.

[Cocoa]

5. they've ebbed

they will come back, no doubt about it.

The Enron scandal isn't in the news now either, but it's going to come back big time at some point.

[AndyTiedye]

17. They Need to Keep Enron OUT of the News for a Couple of Months

or it will screw up their plan to take over California via the recall.

[sham]

18. exactly... the tide will come in again.

Just wait until SOTU next year. I think there will be a lot of talk about the lies, and can we believe what he says this time, etc. This is just a pause to allow for a collective inhale before the dam breaks open.

[StopTheMorans]

6. check out my "lies across america" thread from yesterday

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=166823

it dropped like a rock, but there were a few good posts on it. We need to get media attention for this, and as well all know, the media pays attention to things much quicker if they have a social angle (i.e. flashmobs). What do you think of this idea as a way to garner media attention? Do you have any suggestions? I'm sure that something can be done, my suggestion would only take 1 person per city/per day, and I think it could garner a lot of attention. What do you think we can do? The whole "QuestionW" thing was a great idea, but I have yet to see it come to fruition (even though I have my questionW sticker in my car's back window). We need to figure out how to really get the media to pick up a story. Thoughts? anyone?

[truth2power]

8. Hey, I just went over and checked out your link

from yesterday. There are a couple of really good suggestions there.

I missed the NPR segment on flashmobs, but I think this is an excellent idea. I just have a basic cell phone - no digital messaging capability - but for those who do, this is an idea that has legs.

What's greatabout this is that everyone comes together, does their thing and then disperses. No leaders to target. How do the Repukes get their claws around this one? I like it!!

Some people are obviously thinking outside the box. :think:

[StopTheMorans]

9. that's what I'm saying!

I know people can say "I don't have the time during the day" but what if we all just said that on our lunch hour (and we could do it in shifts by city so that the movement could be maintained over the course of weeks or months) we work something out like flashmobs, but for a longer period (say a half an hour), with signs (like the ones mentioned in my thread) geared towards garnering quick attention to bush's lies (it would be imperative that everyone have the same sign to get maximum mileage and visibility out of the message). Then, everyone could disperse and go back to their normal daily doings knowing that they had at least tried to make a small difference. The flashmob thing just struck me as a great way to organize cheaply (thanks to the poster who suggested it) after someone mentioned it without large time commitments (similar to how the Dean campaign has utilized meetups). I really think there are some decent ideas on here, but like Shrub's lies, I don't think my thread has any legs:)
on edit: mistakenly took credit for flashmob idea:)

[nedlogg]

7. Vacation

He's out there in vactionland at his ranch in Texas :beer:.

Fear not, things will be back to normal in about a month or so when our fearless leader is back at the controls.

:puke:

[PATRICK]

10. cannot appropriate

the GOP noise machine. So what's new? However, in every corner, with every bit of real info, a deep change is made in individual Americans that Bush cannot win back with hypoe and puffery. THAT has to be tapped and it can only be done with a real campaign. You have people who HATE Bush but do not feel called naturally to turn to the failed Democratic opposition. Add disaffection to democratic choice or a banner to follow against Bush and then you'll have a smashing energetic victory.

Otherwise they'll game fakery, powerlessness and discontent with spin that will keep themn away from voting Democrativc or voting altogether.
Which is why the quietist DLC strategy is utterly doomed even if some of their reasoning appears sound.

[Poiuyt]

11. Just wait

I'm guessing that once the presidential campaign begins in ernest all the lies will come back into the press. They will surely be brought up during any debates that Bush is in. The media and the general public will be paying closer attention then.

[sugarcookie]

20. I agree with you

things are on simmer now, but I look for them to turn up the heat at election time.

[chadm]

12. At least be counted

Rather than just not voting, find a party that you do agree with so at least you have some voice. I went from apathetic to Green for this reason.

But its summer now and not much going on, nothing we can do for a little while, why not forget about politics and explore something else.

I stopped paying attention to the Corporate News probably 6 months ago and haven't missed it at all. I can't tell you a thing about Kobe's case and I don't care to.

[symbolman]

14. Within a few weeks

We'll be launching our ARMY OF ONE commercial nationally so that should make a few heads explode out there..

http://www.takebackthemedia.com/onearmy.html

[Gloria]

16. Hey. last night on Aaron Brown I caught about

two seconds of a long haired guy, last name Stinson, from "Take Back the Media."
I was so shocked I can't even remember what Brown was talking about and what Mr. Stinson said!!

[Gloria]

15. An example of typical media behavior...on CNN

yesterday, I caught parts of this little "report"....the media on the media!
How Arnold was getting all the attention, then a cut to short clips of Dean and Kucinich at the latest "debate"...and the snide comment to end it all..."It's lonely for the 9 Democrats...."

Well, duh! It wouldn't be
"lonely" if you covered the damned candidates instead of Arnold all the time!

I almost puked!!

[sandnsea]

21. Congress is not in session right now

There's really nothing to report since there's no new testimony etc coming from Congress. I'm really hanging on to the idea that once they get back and settled in, things will start rolling again. Otherwise I'm thinking things are looking pretty bleak.

[greekspeak]

22. I can see where you are coming from

I could not fall asleep until 4:30 AM the other night because I am in dispair about what is going on around me. Yesteday at the gym, I saw FAUX news put up the headline under footage of a Shrub photo-op: "impossible to beat?" Thanks FAUX news for calling the election 15 months in advance. There are days when I wonder how much longer it will be before the neo-Sturmsicherheits will come knocking at my door to take my gay a$$ off to some "terrorist camp" someplace. But know what, linazelle, when it seems you can't sstand to look down in the abyss anymore, its time to look up.