Our troops are never coming home. Never.

[Paragon]

Poll question: Our troops are never coming home. Never.

[Nlighten1]

1. They will come home...

Dead and wounded.

[2Design]

2. they built 16 bases in iraq ...they have no intention of leaving

they plan on expanding their occupation to other countries...that was rumsfeld speech ....we have just begun.....they plan on doing a whole lot more bombing, torture, and killing civilians everywhere...

[Alerter_]

3. by the end of Kerry's first term, only four years!

Better than never! Kerry also won't have a draft under "current circumstances"! Although if Kerry promotes a draft of the children of everyone in his cabinent, the Congress and the courts, he'll be the FDR of the 21st Century. Is that too much to ask?

[MercutioATC]

4. Not without a new administration, they won't...

[Leprechan29]

5. What do you mean by the question?

That the US military presence in Iraq will stay at its current level forever or that we will always have a military presence?

And a side note: Just because our troops establish a permanent presence doesn't mean the country will be a horrible place - just look at Germany today. Not to say that a permanent presence will be a good thing.

[Jacobin]

7. teeny tiny difference re your germany comparison

Germany was absolutely and completely obliterated and bombed to smithereens, including firebombing Dresden where 100,000 were killed. That country formally surrendered and the German people accepted the surrender of the German leaders who remained.

Germany is not a muslim nation and it was a WASP v WASP war. Germany at one time was a democracy before Hitler's regime.

I don't think it is necessary to complete the picture with the absolute and utter differences in Iraq.


We are infidels. We WILL be run out.

[libhill]

9. Eventually - but not anytime soon-

The British went into Iraq after World War 1, and maintained a military presence there until after World War 2. Which begs the question, how in the hell did they get snookered into this mess by a moron like Bush? They`ve been there, done that.

[Leprechan29]

11. I know they are not the same,

But it is an example of a successful military occupation. And I don't see what Dresden has to do with anything.

Last point: Germany may have been a democracy in name, but that was for maybe ten years at most, and it was a horribly assembled one whcih failed miserably the between the wars.

Edit: And my question still wasn't answered in that section either - anyone know what the question was asking?

[Kellanved]

22. the Weimar Republic lasted 15 years

The Weimar structures were re-used to form the Federal Republic: most laws and even a good part of the constitution are identical.
That was a major factor for the swift (and quite successful) creation of the Federal Republic.

The German Empire (2nd Reich, 1871-1918)did have a few democratic institutions, including a two-chamber parliament (with one chamber elected).

The Weimar Republic in turn re-used the Imperial structures: it replaced the Emperor with an elected President, strengthened the lower house, ...


So, a lot of things in today's Germany date back to Imperial Germany, including the basic roles of the two parliamentary chambers, most laws, the social systems, the school system ...

[Leprechan29]

26. Again, True

but though the Weimar Republic set out the basis for the current government in Germany, it also failed to curtail the abuses of power by its chancellor who used the Constitution of the Republic to suspend itself (the Const.) making him the absolute ruler.

You are right however that it set out the basis for today, and I myself will admit that hyperinflation and WWI reparations did have a huge impact on the success of Germany and by extension, its government.

[Jacobin]

6. We'll be run out eventually

We are infidels and will not be tolerated. Just a matter of how many "transfer tubes" we can tolerate.

[Solly Mack]

8. oh, they'll come home. Some for very short visits & some in body bags

but they will come home ...one way or the other.

and this is what Bush has brought those troops.....a world where death is the surest way home.

[evil_orange_cat]

10. We are still patroling the DMZ in Korea... over 50 years and counting!

yikes!

[ConsAreLiars]

12. US imperialism will keep its military bases until they are evicted

Finance capitalism must continually expand into new areas of life or it will die. Military power is needed to overcome resistance to this expansion by contrary interests. They will leave when they cannot hold that ground. US is the military arm of the multinational corporations, and now has bases in about 2/3 of the nations on the planet. It is impossible to satiate the monster.

[GreenArrow]

13. the "war" on "terra"

will not be over in our lifetimes, as per Dick Cheney. Weren't there 60 countries on some list of terror sponsoring nations? They must all be eradicated. We will export Death and Violence to all corners of the globe, as per George W. And since the majority of the big time Dems are down with the "war" on "terra," I see no reason to believe that our military presence overseas will be lessened in the foreseeable future.

[Eye and Monkey]

17. It's actually another phase of the Oil Wars. War until the oil runs out.

[Fleshdancer]

14. My brother did....

If I didn't have a brother in the military who went to Iraq and came home early, I would never have believed it was possible. When he went there, I was scared he would never come back...I had a horrible feeling about it. I don't know about the others there now. I know my family is blessed for some odd, unknown reason, and I wish our luck on each and every other soldier. May the majority feel my sense of relief.

[libhill]

15. I`m happy to hear

that your brother is safe and sound. Good news in a bad news world.

[lpbk2713]

16. They will be there until Cheney's oil fields are depleted.

The US military makes for a cheap security force to protect his investment.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

18. From Germany? Or Korea? Doesn't look like it.

[LagaLover]

24. or the UK or Japan

[cheezus]

27. bingo. we're occupiers around the world

[LibertyorDeath]

19. There until the Oil runs out. IMO

[Oddman]

20. You mean bush lied to us when he told us the

occupation ends on June 30th???

I would never believe that bush would lie to his fellow 'mericans.


A complete failure in leadership

[huellewig]

21. June 30th is the date.

Bush starts blaming the loss of American life on the failure of the Iraqi military to protect the American soldiers.

You spin me right round, baby
Right round like a record, baby
Right round round round
You spin me right round, baby
Right round like a record, baby
Right round round round

[Skittles]

23. sure they come home - in boxes

:(

[mopaul]

25. everyone says it will take D E C A D E S

not one decade.....decades....plural

[robertpaulsen]

28. Agreed, because they're always somewhere besides here.

Dem or Rethug, we always have had troops abroad ever since the 19th century. It would take another civil war to bring all the troops home. Which might not be too far in the future.

[LuLu550]

29. My son's friend

is in the 82nd Airborne. He was there at the beginning of the war, fighting his way into Baghdad. He was supposed to come home after six months. His tour was extended and he continued to patrol Baghdad until he put in 13 months. He came home, was supposed to stay in N.C. until his stint was up next year.

He just found out he is going back to Iraq next month and they will not let him leave the military when his hitch is up.

And they call this a free country.

[Endangered Specie]

30. If they do come home... there won't be much left.