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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 11:27 PM
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How will neocons respond? "Not true," "True but okay," or "Ooops!"
From Laura Rozen's blog:


http://www.warandpiece.com/

Can we expect to see Richard Perle start to defend Chalabi's leaks of the most sensitive US intelligence to the Iranian terror masters? Ledeen? Harold Rhode? Michael Rubin? I hear Larry Franklin isn't defending Chalabi any more.

There are only two defenses I can see: it's not true (seems the evidence is overwhelmingly in favor of, it's true). Or, it's okay that Chalabi did it.

Or, there's a third. How about, WE WERE WRONG. We were fools , and dupes. But none of these people seem to have the moral capacity to admit they were wrong. What kind of blindness, what kind of pathological arrogance, prevents these people from ever admitting they are wrong?
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 11:34 PM
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1. Perle is saying
that it's CIA disinformation. He's been targeted by evil doers in the CIA...because, according to Perle, nobody would be so stupid as to tell Iran we have cracked their code and then have Iran send a message in exactly that code. It'd be just impossible, ol' raccoon eyes tells us.

So that is their brand of pathological arrogance.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 11:35 PM
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2. "Yes, Chalabi is a spy, but so what? Saddam is out and
there will be an Iraq-Iran-Israel alliance in the ME that will be a bulwark against 'Islamo-fascism.' And we will all live happily ever after if the American people will only just re-elect God's own, George W. Bush."

That's what I'm expecting the most infected neo-cons to say.
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 11:39 PM
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3. "The Noble Lie"
The elite have the obligation to lie to the masses in the interests of governing them. Those who are trying to discredit The Noble Lie represent the forces of anarchy and Jacobinism - the press, Democrats, and other traitors.

What they think not me.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 11:39 PM
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4. I vote "true, but okay"
These are the same clowns who were peddling the notion that the torture photos from Abu Ghraib weren't all that bad. Of course, before the photos came out, they were completely denying that anything untoward was happening to Iraqis luckless enough to fall into the custody of the U S and A.

If these guys told you the sun was rising in the east, you'd be well served to saunter over to the window before believing it.
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 11:42 PM
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5. Doesn't matter
The bushbots on the Yahoo! boards are going with the classic:
"It's Clinton's fault"

I swear I'm not making this up.
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 11:43 PM
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6. Chalabi forgot
the old political adage:

When you swim with sharks, don't bleed!

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necso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 12:05 AM
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7. The most important neocons will deny it, or talk around it.
Edited on Thu Jun-03-04 12:06 AM by necso
A little background: Information of the sort that Chalabi is supposed to have given (sold) to the Iranians is very closely held. While I am confident that the fools in this administration have shown considerable laxity in protecting classified data, still, everyone who knew of this intelligence coup or saw its products on a first hand basis should have signed for it. These records should still exist. It should be possible to track the information flow from these people to Chalabi. Of course the idiot who was guilty of the first leak may be at some distance from Chalabi and will be unlikely to detail his various violations of trust. Still a little professional interrogation might work wonders (and no, I don't mean torture -- physical torture is usually not a good interrogation technique). Of course, a similar investigation (Anthrax attacks) had much the same advantage and has produced no result. Certainly that investigation is hampered by not knowing the destination of the "leak" (and by a real bad case of politics). Still this is not a hopeful comparison. Moreover, definitive proof of Chalabi's treachery might require revealing other important intel methods or operations. It is unlikely that this will be allowed to happen. So those people whose efforts have been exposed and therefore rendered useless must be gnashing their teeth in frustration.

Knowing all this, the players at the very top will just hang tight... but they can't be making any friends.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 12:28 AM
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8. The Eddie Finaygan Defense...Yeah, We Planned It That Way
I could see this coming from Rush's piehole...that this Chalabi thing is a ruse on the Iranians. Yep, that's right. Sure...we hated Hussein and the Iranians did. We didn't want them cutting in on our war and oil fields and Chalabi passed them all sorts of intel that kept them from beating us to invading Baghdad and getting Saddam. Yeah, that's the ticket.

Then after the invasion, Chalabi told them we had cracked their secret codes when we really hadn't so they could change them to something easier for us to encode. Hey, maybe we could use one of those Enigma machines they keep showing on the History Channel. Yeah, now, we're getting somewhere.

So we gave all this misinformation to Chalabi who mushed things further...and who said he didn't give us "reliable intel" as well. Yeah, that's the ticket. So we could go after those Iranians who took out our Shah and held all of our CIA agents we have been paying this guy millions to mess them up. And when the cover was finally blown...by the liberal media...yeah, that's who did it...we come up with the story that Chalabi was spying for Iran to confuse everyone even further.

You see, the Neocons are far smarter than us mere mortals and to question or investigate can't be done since we're just not of their calibre. Yeah, that's it...but now if we find Morgan Fairchild...
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 12:53 AM
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9. My guesses:
"The liberal FBI/CIA is unfairly smearing him. It's a liberal conspiracy."
"Clinton did worse. I don't know what he did, but it was worse."
"Chalabi who? That's just some nobody, that nobody listened to."
"Iran ain't so bad. This is blown totally out of proportion."
"But.. but... nobody ever talks about the GOOD things Chalabi did!"
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rustydog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 12:57 AM
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10. Neocons can't say SHIT..Chalabi sat behind the 1st lady
at Bush's State of the Union Address...an HONORED guest of the Administration.

the murdering neocons don't have anything to say. they were outsmarted by a convicted embezzler who told them what they wanted to hear. they'd screw up a wet dream.
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