Al Qaeda (purportedly) claims AA flight 587 downing (Nov. 2001)

[NewYorkerfromMass]

Just saw this on a right wing site, and it hasn't been corroborated in any way by any reliable news agency, but frankly I believe it.
This happened, remember, around the time of the shoe bomber.

"28 May 2004 - Al Qaeda lists successes since 9/11 on Global Islamic Media; Includes 2001 downing of American Airlines flight 587 that went down over Queens....

In a stunning revelation to the Global Islamic Media Group this morning, Al Qaeda has revealed that they were responsible for the downing of American Airlines flight 587 over Queens in November 2001.

The article, published this morning on Global Islamic Media's Yahoogroup, lists the successes that Al Qaeda has achieved since the attack on America in September 2001. Al Qaeda has previously claimed credit for all of the other attacks on the list. The cause of the AA flight 587 crash is still listed by the FAA as accidental, with no indications of terrorism..."

http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/

[rooboy]

1. Wouldn't surprise me but you can never tell.

In fact, I'm starting to think that Al Qaeda's greatest success was engineering the 2000 election.

[demnan]

2. Yes

That was the one that had my mother hysterically crying and I canceled my trip to Florida for my niece's wedding.

On edit: This seems like a credible site. Doesn anyone have any experience with it?

On edit edit: Did you read down a little - they are also claiming responsibility for the blackouts!

[Guy_Montag]

3. Lets see

uncorroborated source claims uncorroborated source told news agancy that they brought down a aeroplane.

Pardon my skepticism.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

6. Let's see.... Plane hits turbulence and tail falls off

Pardon our skepticism.

[Guy_Montag]

8. My boss used to live in the flight path of Heathrow,

although it was rare for anything big to fall off (though an engine relatively near by when she lived there), she would frequently find nuts, rivets, random bits of metal, that sort of thing in her garden.

[Zero Gravitas]

21. you don't understand

NOTHING is what it seems to be. If THEY tell you it was a terrorist attack it was really a covert CIA operation. If a plane crashes and THEY say it was an accident or mechanical failure then it was either terrorism or a CIA operation. Terrorists don't really exist THEY just want you to think they do so they can use "terrosist" attacks to manipluate public opinion. Accidents never happen, there's no such thing as a coincidence, no one ever makes mistakes and the Bush Administration's appaearence of bumbling imcompetency is just a shrewd cover for their dasterdly conspiracies.

[Guy_Montag]

23. I'm going back to the lounge...

coming?

[radwriter0555]

4. Al queda isn't in this to create pointless mayhem, what few members

there are have a specific purpose, and WE are not the targets per se, but our GOVERNMENT is...

The wrong of our government are what is attacked by them, not WE the people.

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[outinforce]

16. I Think I Know of

around 3,000 people (and their families) who might disagree with your notion that "WE are not the target".

WE are precisely the target.

[Corgigal]

7. I guess why not

It's not like NTSB has given us one good reason why this plane went down. It's not like tail sections of planes just break off daily.
The non report of this incident is here. You can read it but all I'm seeing is the NTSB saying, hell if we know.

http://www.ntsb.gov/events/2001/AA587/default.htm

[NewYorkerfromMass]

10. Recent article

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/30/national/30crash.html?ei=5062&en=7d3cbb80b753e02a&ex=1086494400&partner=GOOGLE&pagewanted=print&position=

[Corgigal]

12. thanks for the info

Good to know so that Airbus can fix that looming problem. However that article mentions that the rudder flaw did not play a role in the accident. NTSB is going to try to blame the dead pilots anyway.

edit:typo

[DoYouEverWonder]

9. So who is Global Islamic Media Group?

Google Global Islamic Media Group and Jeremy Reynalds to find out the answer.

[Aidoneus]

11. NOte that they also claimed credit..

for the power outage, AND in advance for Fox's Fall Season that starts this June. Their PsyOps wing is full of busy little beavers.

[wicket]

31. nice icon :)

We could really use someone like him these days...

[neebob]

13. This would be one of those al Qaeda websites?

I couldn't help noticing Bush mentioned one in a speech the other day, and it made me go hmmm ...

What I remember most about Flight 587 is everyone saying it wasn't terrorism and not freaking out. So now we're supposed to believe al Qaeda is taking credit 2-1/2 years after the fact?

Couldn't be that talking up these supposed websites serves the dual purpose of maintaining fear and painting the internet as a hangout for terrorists.

[President Jesus]

14. Eyewitnesses said the plane came down in flames...

How does a rudder coming off cause the plane to catch fire midair?

On the day of the crash, eyewitneses were quoted repeatedly about seeing a flaming plane coming down. After that day you almost never heard that repeated.

I don't dispute the rudder fell off, but I wish I could hear one explanation as to why there were flames.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

15. an eyewitness I know said the same thing

she was there on the beach and said the plane had smoke coming from it.

[Vickers]

17. One thrust-reverser came on, spinning the plane, breaking the rudder off

That's the only theory that makes sense to me. Would explain:

- the rudder breaking off (spin sideways and the wind will break it off)

- the engine popping off (centrifugal force)

- flames (when the engines came off, fuel lines would break and then ignite)

[BabsSong]

18. I always strain things through the "coincidence" filter

Thought it was quite wierd that kaboom shortly after 9/11 an airplane decides to fall apart in/around New York. And I thought it odd that within minutes (and it was)after it went down, our govrnment was telling us THIS IS NOT A TERRORIST ACT, so shut up and move on. A wee bit too convenient. I always thought it was related. Remember how these terrorists do things like blow crap up again just as people are still poking around in the wreckage (in fact they just did that today/yesterday in Iraq). Obviously, this country would have fallen apart if this had been terrorism and Bush would have gone from hero to people going nutso on him. In addition, if the power failure had anything to do with terrorism, do you really think we would have been told??? Of course not. All depended on Bush's image as the fella who is saving us from terror and who has put on a handy dandy little war in the ME to keep all the terrorists busy over there. I always thought "government conspiracy" crap was crap. But after just a few months of the Bush administration, I began to realize that there really is evil lose in the world and that bin Laden could take a lesson from this criminal organizaton!!

[TheRedMan]

19. I believe it

(Those of you conspiracy theorists out there, take note, mad debunker TheRedMan is pushing a conspiracy theory!)

The day it happened I was convinced that was the story. I spent some time on Streets and Trips, drawing out the flight path, and where it crashed in Queens (they gave the intersection where it happened in the news story) and then just thinking about the tail-snapping explanation, which I never bought (yes, the engineer cannot justify the material failure described) the whole thing reeked of a cover up.

Now, suppose that terrorists DID bring down that flight. We are talking two months after September 11th...you tell me what happens to the airline industry after THAT. If you are the President, the FAA, ANYONE in a position to talk about it, you HAVE to lie and find a cause to make it an accident. If you don't you are crippling the transportation industry (maybe making Amtrak some dough, though...)

I spend a lot of time here shooting down other people's conspiracy theories (bombs in the WTC to insure it fell, chemtrails, etc. etc.) but this just makes sense to me. I agree the source is iffy, but the facts fit too well.

(on edit: completed a few thoughts, fixed a typo)

[AP]

20. Is Al Qaeda just a bunch of fascists too? Why do they keep killing people

on the way to work, and milddle class and working class people?

- That flight was full of a bunch of people who probably weren't far removed from a relative who worked in a sweat shop.

- Those trains in Spain were all coming from working class suburbs.

- One thing about the WTC is that it's not exactly the most expensive real estate in Manhattan. Building it increased a lot of square footage and lowered real estate prices which allowed a lot of businesses to be able to afford to reach middle income people. Granted there were bondbrokers, and people like that. But that building was not high-brow, by any means.

I don't understand why it's the lower- and middle-income people who are being made to pay by both the terrorists AND by their own government.

[SoCalDem]

26. Here's why..

The leaders of the countries (especially ours) are hard to get to, and if they are out to cripple our economy, what better way than to have people afraid to go to work..school..sporting events.. to the mall..to the movies..

and if enough "ordinary" people get killed on a regular basis, eventually they might decide to change their government. or at least keep closer tabs..

[prodigal_green]

32. Yes, Al Qaeda are fascists

Look at how the Taliban behaved (before 9/11 btw). The only difference between the Chimpministration and Al Qaeda is the word they use to refer to God.

[slutticus]

22. So why didn't...

...they claim responsibility right away? It would have had a much bigger impact to claim responsibility closer to 911.

[hunter]

25. Who might the terrorists be sending their message to?

The "American Public" or the Bush administration?

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

35. When did they first claim responsibility for 9/11?

I mean, even their claims of responsibility for that were somewhat vague. So that doesn't necessarily rule out it having been them.

[slutticus]

36. True....

...but 9/11 wasn't ever "officially" an accident like 587. Everybody pretty much assumed 9/11 was them, so i guess they really never needed to say anything.

I'm not saying 587 wasn't a terror attack...It just didn't seem like it to me. But if I've learned anything from living in this world...it's to never take anything at face value...so who knows

[AntiCoup2K4]

24. I don't buy this for a second, but here's the silver lining...

...if it's true, there goes Junior's ridiculous lie about how well he's protected the country since 9-11-01. Let 'em spread the rumor.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

28. but of course that's the reason

the freepers like to pretend that terrorists shot down TWA flight 800 (like from a rowboat with a shoulder launched missile?), when in fact it is more likely that our own navy shot it down accidentally.

[onecitizen]

27. I always thought that.......

was the case.

[keithyboy]

29. Now you know Bush doesn't want to hear this. Four terrorist attacks

under his regieme?

[stickdog]

30. Yes, it makes perfect sense that they'd wait two years and then

make this claim just as Bush's poll numbers desperately needed a boost.

:eyes:

[Media_Lies_Daily]

33. Why would they claim that action years after the fact?...

Sounds like just another planted story to keep the sheeples' minds on

{{{{terror!!!}}}} :scared:

[eridani]

34. A second shoe bomber that succeeded?

There was a great deal of speculation to that effect at the time.