bush* LIED about Eisenhower's speech..LIED by omission...(links)

[diamond14]

bush* changes Eisenhower words, deliberately LIES about Eisenhower's well documented speech....

Remarks by the President at the United States Air Force Academy Graduation Ceremony
Falcon Stadium
United States Air Force Academy

On this day in 1944, General Eisenhower sat down at his headquarters in the English countryside, and wrote out a message to the troops who would soon invade Normandy.

"Soldiers, Sailors and Airmen of the Allied Expeditionary Force," he wrote, "the eyes of the world are upon you. The hopes and prayers of liberty-loving people everywhere march with you."


http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/06/20040602.html

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Notice the bush* LIE...LIED by omission, deliberately REMOVED Eisenhower's words, in mid-paragraph (Ike's speech is a very well document...there is NO DOUBT what Ike said)....

http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGBOQMWZZUD.html

<snip>"On this day in 1944, General Eisenhower sat down at his headquarters in the English countryside and wrote out a message to the troops who would soon invade Normandy," Bush said.

In that message, Eisenhower said: "Soldiers, sailors and airmen of the Allied Expeditionary Force! You are about to embark upon the Great Crusade, toward which we have striven these many months. The eyes of the world are upon you. The hopes and prayers of liberty-loving people everywhere march with you."

[Wickerman]

1. LOL, well, they weren't just embarking and the Crusade thing

tends to go over like a lead balloon when a Christian nation attacks an Arab nation.

[toddzilla]

2. so what?

i don't see the issue here.

[Vickers]

3. He omits the "crusade" part of the quote because he doesn't want it known

that he is on a religious crusade.

Last time he used "crusade" in a speech, KKKarl pushed him off his bicycle!!!

:P

[fdr_hst_fan]

4. Never say

"crusade" to a Muslim-it brings back too many bad memories.

[Delano]

7. Umm... Pretty sure no muslim today remembers the crusades...

Just a minor point...

[Bandit]

11. I'm sure!!!!!!!!

You must be high. Muslims don't remember the crusades......... WOW What a statement.....

[Delano]

16. The post implied that they remembered them...

...as though somebody's grandfather died in them. I did say it was a minor point. You can't stir up "bad memories" when those memories belong to people who have been dead for 900 years.

It may offend them in the light of ancient history, but it does not "stir up memories".

[Unperson 309]

23. Well, Try It this way...

If the Pope were to say in a speech to America

"We are embarking on a great inqusition into the political motivations of those who support the destruction of innocent life before birth."

The word "inquisition" would be all OVER the news!

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[jpgray]

13. Not personally, but culturally and historically--damn right they do!

Since the late eleventh century, there has been an endless series of bloodthirsty Westerners looking to carve out a piece of their region.

[Delano]

9. That assumes he is sincere about his "Christianity"

I've always seriously doubted that.

[Delano]

5. They're so dumb, they think that's a good way to avoid lib criticism...

...like the last time he used the word "crusade". It was a totally unnecessary omission, but I'll give him a pass on it. I thought the flap over his using the word the last time was out of prroportion too.

I think his actual crimes are much more important than his un-PC phrasing of things.

We are far too easily caught up in these silly games of meaningless symbolism. The man is a liar and a killer. Why focus on whether or not he used a word that CAN allude to an ancient Christian attack, but which also is commonly used in regards to any impassioned struggle for a moral ideal?

Liberals who make a lot of hay about this only make us look petty. They are terribly short-sighted, IMO

[troublemaker]

6. So what? Would anyone rather he left it in?

Then this thread would be about the horror of saying "crusade."

It's almost metaphysically impossible to hit Bush with a bum rap, but this qualifies.

[Delano]

8. I would rather he left it in.

History is history. It shouldn't be altered to suit some era's ever-changing values, or in this case WAY overboard PC-ness.

I didn't care when he used it the last time. Crusade is commonly used for a passionate struggle. In spite of all his other failings, Bush has on many occasion called Islam a "religion of Peace" in spite of the lack of any evidence that Islam, Christianity or Judaism are religions of peace.

There are thousands of VALID points to attack Bush on. Why so many choose silly trivialties like this is beyond me. It just gives more fodder to the Limbaughs and the Hannitys to show how rigidly PC and petty we are.

[Bridget Burke]

12. Knowledge of history is not about PC.

The Muslim world has not forgotten the Crusades.

Don't celebrate ignorance.

[Delano]

15. Either use the speech as is or write your own.

Don't call it an Eisenhower speech when you are changing his words.

What you are proposing is Orwellian, and promotes ignorance...of history.

[troublemaker]

17. Not all editing is Orwellian

He didn't read Eisenhower's entire address... whether he left that particular line in or out it was still going to be edited either way.

Since Bush was properly criticized for saying 'crusade' it's a stretch to get upset when he doesn't say crusade.

I don't think he should have compared this shit to WWII at all. He shouldn't have used the address at all. But if he was going to use it there's no harm in cutting out crusade. It's not there's a loss of original meaning, like Eisenhower thought D-Day was about reclaiming the Holy Lands from the Saracen or something.

An Orwellian re-write of history should involve a meaningful change in history, not an edit intended merely to suit popular taste. Our Constitution is almost impossible to read because it was written in what amounts to a different language (old English). Half of the 'real' constitution is mis-spelled to our eyes. The Constitution as it appears in books is NOT the original text but an accepted translation from the original.

But the reason for those changes is content neutral... it's not to fool us as to what the Constitution says but to make it possible for us to even read the thing. Major Edit but not Orwellian.

Now when Bush recites his mythology about our recent economic history--inherited a recession, all job losses tied to 9/11 and accounting scandals, etc.--now THAT is Orwellian.

If a politician read a quote from Huck Finn and left out a stray 'nigger' it would offend me as a purest and Twain fan, but I wouldn't consider it Orwellian. Just very political. If a book purporting to be Huck Finn changed all instances of 'nigger' to 'negro' that would be Orwellian.

My particular irritation here is that he said 100 things in that speech that were actually offensive and controversial, yet this thread is about a silly political cheap-shot sort of flap.

He said in that speech that if we weren't killing these people in Iraq it's not like they would lead productive lives or anything... now that strikes me as more controversial than omitting 'crusade.'

[usregimechange]

10. Glad he left out that sentence, this time nt

[Spazito]

14. Actually, I find the fact that bush used Eisenhower's speech at all,...

with or without the "crusade" question, is an affront to all those who fought in WWII. Eisenhower's speech was to ALL the troops, not just US ones. bush does Eisenhower a great disservice but what else is new.

[King_Crimson]

18. Neither Numbnuts or his...

worthless father could hold a candle to IKE! Ike was the last decent Republican president!

[Billy Burnett]

19. By omitting it - it is now highlighted

That's one of the ways the Bush family 'gets the word out'.

Read Mark Crispen Miller's "The Bush Dyslexicon". It's all in there.

[karabekian]

20. not a lie

and I bet you would be more critical if he did use Crusade. Even more important is who cares about what he says. Its the same crap anyways.

[diamond14]

21. are you protecting the LIAR at any cost?...even attacking the messenger?

do you encourage everyone to move-on, if they hear the pResident LIE?


so, you don't know me and have never met me....but to pursue your agenda, you 'bet' what I WOULD say, IF something different been spoken by the LIAR....

I read about that approach in several books about bush* and heard it discussed on Air America radio....and you've done a good job of changing the subject from the bush* LIE itself to lying about justifying the bush* lie...and even went so far as to announce in your title "not a LIE"...slick stuff...if anything, I admire how you tried to pull it off on DU...bold...

[rinsd]

22. Are you kidding?

Oh all the lies he's told...this is a priority?

He omitted mentions of Crusade as a diplo/PC gesture. He got absolute hell last time he used that word.

And I am sure if he used the whole quote there would be a quite a few threads here denouncing it.