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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 01:24 PM
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My take on Tenet's resignation - check my logic
Edited on Thu Jun-03-04 01:33 PM by WilliamPitt
The news over the last week or so has been grim for the White House. Ahmad Chalabi, Bush’s favorite Iraqi, has been accused of passing high-level intelligence secrets to Iran. Questions as to who could have coughed up those secrets have been augering towards Defense Department officials Douglas Feith and William Luti, the two men who ran the secretive Office of Special Plans (OSP).

The OSP, organized for the express purpose of massaging intelligence data on the threat posed by Iraq so as to justify the already-made war decision, was fueled in no small part by the data provided by Chalabi. This story unfolded under the deepening gloom of the Abu Ghraib torture scandal, which appears to be spreading far beyond Iraq, and threatens to subsume a number of high-ranking officials.

Late Wednesday night, a wire report appeared stating that George W. Bush was seeking legal advice on how to protect himself from the looming investigation into who in the White House outed the name of CIA agent Valerie Plame. According to the report, Bush was “ready to cooperate” with the investigation – an interesting comment, considering the fact that the investigation has been going on for months, and that his people have been stonewalling the investigation across the board. When the President needs a lawyer, it is usually a sign that there is blood in the water.

Then, on Thursday, CIA Director George Tenet resigned his position. The news was delivered by George W. Bush just before he boarded a plane to absorb a beating from our former European allies.

Whither goes Tenet? Why did he resign? The official version holds that he quit for “personal reasons,” and has intended to leave for a while now. It was put forth that perhaps this Clinton holdover never quite fit the Bush administration mold. Some said he was quitting because no weapons of mass destruction were found in Iraq.

Ray McGovern, a 27-year veteran analyst for the CIA and unabashed critic of both Bush and Tenet, had this to say when reached by phone on Thursday afternoon: “It is pretty clear this resignation came for two reasons. The first is the failed policy in Iraq. The cry for accountability and resignations has reached a din here in Washington D.C. Things have gone from bad to worse, the White House was looking for a sacrificial lamb, and Tenet being the good soldier he is, took the fall.”

“An ancillary reason,” continued McGovern, “is the Pat Roberts report coming out of the Senate Intelligence Committee next week. The report excoriates Tenet and the entire intelligence community for the failure to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. You need to remember that Roberts is the archetypal GOP stalwart. The whole name of the game now is to blame the intelligence community and protect the White House.”

“The truth, as we now know,” said McGovern “is different. The war had nothing to do with weapons of mass destruction or al Qaeda, but with the ideological vision of the neoconservatives. Tenet was always trying to compromise, trying to make everyone happy. He tried to make the administration happy by telling Bush the WMD case against Iraq was a ‘slam dunk.’ Pat Roberts is preparing to hang him for it, which helps Roberts protect the White House.”

McGovern has never spoken well of Pat Roberts, Republican of Kansas and Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Community. In <a href=”http://truthout.org/docs_03/062603B.shtml”> an interview McGovern gave truthout in June of 2003</a>, he offered the following perspective: “When the Niger forgery was unearthed and when Colin Powell admitted, well shucks, it was a forgery, Senator Jay Rockefellar, the ranking Democrat on that committee, went to Pat Roberts and said they really needed the FBI to take a look at this. After all, this was known to be a forgery and was still used on Congressmen and Senators. We’d better get the Bureau in on this. Pat Roberts said no, that would be inappropriate.”

“So Rockefellar drafted his own letter,” continued McGovern in the interview, “and went back to Roberts and said he was going to send the letter to FBI Director Mueller, and asked if Roberts would sign on to it. Roberts said no, that would be inappropriate. What the FBI Director eventually got was a letter from one Minority member saying pretty please, would you maybe take a look at what happened here, because we think there may have been some skullduggery. The answer he got from the Bureau was a brush-off. Why do I mention all that? This is the same Pat Roberts who is going to lead the investigation into what happened with this issue.”

“There is a lot that could be said about Pat Roberts,” said McGovern. “I remember way back last fall when people were being briefed, CIA and others were briefing Congressmen and Senators about the weapons of mass destruction. These press folks were hanging around outside the briefing room, and when the Senators came out, one of the press asked Senator Roberts how the evidence on weapons of mass destruction was. Roberts said, oh, it was very persuasive, very persuasive. The press guy asked Roberts to tell him more about that. Roberts said, ‘Truck A was observed to be going under Shed B, where Process C is believed to be taking place.’ The press guy asked him if he found that persuasive, and Pat Roberts said, ‘Oh, these intelligence folks, they have these techniques down so well, so yeah, this is very persuasive.’ And the correspondent said thank you very much, Senator. So, if you’ve got a Senator who is that inclined to believe that kind of intelligence, you’ve got someone who will do the administration’s bidding.”

This, very clearly, has been proven out over the course of time. Roberts has used his Committee to shield the Bush administration from any culpability. Nowhere in the deliberations of the Committee did the Office of Special Plans come to the fore. The data on the Iraqi threat Roberts praised did not come from CIA, but from the Office of Special Plans.

The OSP, recall, was created by Defense Secretary Don Rumsfeld specifically to second-guess and reinterpret intelligence data to justify war in Iraq. The OSP was staffed by rank amateurs, civilians whose ideological pedigree suited Rumsfeld and his cabal of hawks. Though this group was on no government payroll and endured no Congressional oversight, their information and interpretations managed to prevail over the data being provided by the State Department and CIA. This group was able to accomplish this incredible feat due to devoted patronage from high-ranking ultra-conservatives within the administration, most prominently Vice-President Cheney.

This group worked according to a strategy that they hoped would recreate Iraq into an Israeli ally, destroy a potential threat to Persian Gulf oil trade, and wrap U.S. allies around Iran. The State Department and CIA saw this plan as being badly flawed and based upon profoundly questionable intelligence. The OSP responded to these criticisms by cutting State and CIA completely out of the loop. By the time the war came, nearly all the data used to justify the action to the American people was coming from the OSP. The American intelligence community had been totally usurped.

When the OSP wanted to change or exaggerate evidence of Iraqi weapons capabilities, they sent Vice President Cheney to CIA headquarters on unprecedented visits where he demanded “forward-leaning” interpretations of the evidence. When Cheney was unable to go to the CIA, his chief of staff, Lewis “Scooter” Libby, went in his place. On three occasions, former congressman Newt Gingrich visited CIA in his capacity as a “consultant” for ultra-conservative hawk Richard Perle and his Defense Policy Board. According to the accounts of these visits, Gingrich browbeat the analysts to toughen up their assessments of the dangers posed by Hussein. He was allowed access to the CIA and the analysts because he was a known emissary of the OSP.

Air Force Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski worked in the office of Under Secretary of Defence for Policy Douglas Feith until her retirement a year ago, and often worked with the Office of Special Plans. What I saw was aberrant, pervasive and contrary to good order and discipline," Kwiatkowski wrote of her experience in the run-up to the invasion. "If one is seeking the answers to why peculiar bits of 'intelligence' found sanctity in a presidential speech, or why the post-Saddam occupation has been distinguished by confusion and false steps, one need look no further than the process inside the Office of the Secretary of Defense."

Kwiatkowski went on to charge that the operations she witnessed during her tenure regarding the Office of Special Plans, constituted "a subversion of constitutional limits on executive power and a co-optation through deceit of a large segment of the Congress". According to Kwiatkowski, the same operation that allegedly cooked the intelligence also was responsible for the administration's failure to anticipate the problems that now dog the U.S. occupation in Iraq. Kwiatkowsky reported that the political appointees assigned there and their contacts at State, the NSC, and Cheney's office tended to work as a "network." The OSP often deliberately cut out, ignored or circumvented normal channels of communication both within the Pentagon and with other agencies.

"I personally witnessed several cases of staff officers being told not to contact their counterparts at State or the (NSC) because that particular decision would be processed through a different channel," wrote Kwiatkowsky. In one interview, she insists that her views of the OSP were widely shared by other professional staff. Quoting one veteran career officer "who was in a position to know what he was talking about," Kwiatkowsky says, "What these people are doing now makes Iran- Contra look like amateur hour."

Is Tenet being a good soldier and allowing CIA to take the blame for the mess in Iraq? He has done it before. Remember that last summer, on a Friday to be exact, CIA Director Tenet took public blame for the fraudulent use of the Niger uranium evidence in Bush's State of the Union Address in January 2003. According to Tenet, Bush’s use of data from known forgeries to support the Iraq war was completely his fault. He never told Bush's people that the data was corrupted, and it was his fault those "sixteen words" regarding Iraqi attempts to procure uranium from Niger for a nuclear program made it into the text of the speech.

Condoleezza Rice and Don Rumsfeld had been triangulating on Tenet since that Thursday, claiming the CIA had never informed the White House about the dubious nature of the Niger evidence. Tenet fell on his sword and took responsibility for the error. On that Saturday, White House spokesman Ari Fleischer told the press corps that Bush had "moved on" from this controversy. The New York Times editorial board thought otherwise. The paper published an editorial on that Saturday entitled "The Uranium Fiction." The editorial read, in part, as follows:

"It is clear, however, that much more went into this affair than the failure of the C.I.A. to pounce on the offending 16 words in Mr. Bush's speech. A good deal of information already points to a willful effort by the war camp in the administration to pump up an accusation that seemed shaky from the outset and that was pretty well discredited long before Mr. Bush stepped into the well of the House of Representatives last January. Doubts about the accusation were raised in March 2002 by Joseph Wilson, a former American diplomat, after he was dispatched to Niger to look into the issue. Mr. Wilson has said he is confident that his concerns were circulated not only within the agency but also at the State Department and the office of Vice President Dick Cheney. Mr. Tenet, in his statement yesterday, confirmed that the Wilson findings had been given wide distribution, although he reported that Mr. Bush, Mr. Cheney and other high officials had not been directly informed about them by the C.I.A."

The next day, on Sunday, the Washington Post’s lead headline read, "CIA Got Uranium Reference Cut in October." The meat of the article states:

"CIA Director George J. Tenet successfully intervened with White House officials to have a reference to Iraq seeking uranium from Niger removed from a presidential speech last October, three months before a less specific reference to the same intelligence appeared in the State of the Union address, according to senior administration officials.
Tenet argued personally to White House officials, including deputy national security adviser Stephen Hadley, that the allegation should not be used."

Here is CIA Director Tenet arguing in October of 2002 against the use of the Niger evidence, stating bluntly that it was useless. He made this pitch directly to the White House. The administration later claimed they were never told the evidence was bad. Tenet responds by taking the blame for the whole thing. He earned some of it, to be sure. But all of it?

The Valerie Plame case is creeping towards the White House, and Bush is reaching out to lawyers. Ahmad Chalabi is being sized for leg irons because he has been acting on behalf of Iran. The war is a disaster, and the Office of Special Plans owns a vast amount of blame for it, along with the neo-con hawks who put the whole scheme together.

Is Tenet’s last act a last-ditch effort to pull the White House out of the maelstrom by, again, scapegoating himself and his agency? Former CIA Director Stansfield Turner seems to think so. Turner believes this resignation is "too significant a move at too important a time" to be motivated by personal considerations. "I think he's being pushed out," Turner said on CNN. "The president feels he has to have someone to blame. I don't think (Tenet) would pull the plug on President Bush in the midst of an election cycle without being asked by President Bush to do that."
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theivoryqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 01:27 PM
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1. it's a response to the Chalabi scandal
and John Stewarts' commentary on the Chalabi affair last night- snicker.
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Alerter_ Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 01:30 PM
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2. excellent article
good points
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 01:35 PM
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4. This is a fine piece
Great job, Will. Love your hairball line, BTW. :)
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DenverDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 01:31 PM
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3. Thank God for courageous real journalists like you.
You are one of the most important parts of the salvation of America, if indeed it is still salvageable. (I believe it still is, but only with citizens standing up to the treasonous wrong wing bullying that has been going on since the raygun misadministration.)
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 01:35 PM
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5. Bush will get to pick an even bigger loyalist
Will,

This now allows the Baby Bush to select a more pure Bush loyalist for the job. Tenet was always a convenient target for the neocons, as he could always be labeled a "Clinton appoitee".
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 01:38 PM
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6. I think Tenet was sick of taking the blame.
And I think many in his intel community knew and were sick of the covering up for BushInc.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 01:39 PM
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7. Makes sense Pitt...
i do not think Tenet's resignation will "pull the White House out of the maelstrom". Actually, the exact opposite - it will push them into the maelstrom. He will no longer be there to take the blame. Sooner or later, the evidence is going to point straight toward the OSP and Don Rumsfeld, in my opinion.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 01:42 PM
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9. I don't have much confidence in that since the RW press is
spinning the lack of WMDs and the Chalabi affair as Tenet's fault.
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 01:40 PM
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8. it certainly is a distraction from the BUSH LAWYER'S UP
makes sense to me :hi:

peace
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Wind Dancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 01:42 PM
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10. Excellent writing!
I am terrified of what will happen next!
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 01:43 PM
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11. Thanks for posting your excellent article
I really appreciate your writing and your research on this subject.
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molly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 01:43 PM
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12. Your logic is excellent - as always - however
how will this reality be swallowed by the "true believers" - the ones that call into C-Span every morning salivating their allegiance no matter what the facts present?
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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 01:48 PM
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13. Nice analysis Will, but...
Edited on Thu Jun-03-04 01:49 PM by steviet_2003
there is one thing missing, motive. What is in it for Tenant to take all the heat, why would he do that? Out of pure loyalty to the admin that didn't appoint him in the first place? A payoff, do they have pictures or know where the skeletons lie?

The analysis all makes sense except for this part. If he takes all the blame and lets the OSP slide, and this is blame for a pre-emptive war that cost our blood, reputation and treasure, he would be a pariah and quite possibly would receive demands for an indictment.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 01:51 PM
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16. I agree...
I don't think he is taking the blame with his resignation as much as he is going to let the chips fall where they may....
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 02:06 PM
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26. Yes, steviet, there's something more here. The motive for Tenent's
Edited on Thu Jun-03-04 02:10 PM by KoKo01
falling on his sword doesn't make sense. Loyalty? :eyes: Blackmail? :shrug: PNAC forced him out over Chalabi? :shrug: or something's coming down the pike with Plame Investigation and he needs time to prepare, or it could be to save what's left of his career he needs time to distance himself from this Admin and begin to "openly leak" his side of the story.

I don't think we know,yet. Too many things hitting at one time.

Will's explanation makes sense, but I still think there's something else. Josh Marshall has said "Shoes about to Drop" and "somethings coming up in two or three weeks" in his recent "TPM" column. Since he has an "in" with Joe Wilson, I think he has information that there's more to this than maybe what we can see at this moment.

Maybe it's the old "Arranging the Deck Chairs on Titanic," too. With much scrambling going on and butt covering. :shrug:
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 03:45 PM
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57. Do you have a link
to Josh Marshall's article where he says this? I heard this from someone else too and I've been searching to see if it's true.
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DenverDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 09:36 PM
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99. It's pretty much always blackmail.
Psychological leverage is the most powerful.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 02:07 PM
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30. Loyalty is the coin of the realm in D.C. Worth more than gold
It's what gives you access to power and then to power.

The good ole boy's club on steriods.

Odd, but true.
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 02:57 PM
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48. This may be his motive
From Yahoo News

"Tenet addressed CIA employees and said, "It was a personal decision, and had only one basis in fact: the well being of my wonderful family, nothing more and nothing less."

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=513&e=1&u=/ap/20040603/ap_on_go_ot/tenet_resigns

"the well being of my wonderful family"

interesting choice of words IMO
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 03:16 PM
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53. holey moley that's blatant nt
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 01:49 PM
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14. Your logic works for me
the only suggestion I would make is to make Tenet;s tendency to be the fall guy more explicit. It doesn't come up until the 6th paragraph, and then it's from someone else's mouth and it's about the current situation. You might make this point stronger by first going into how he's done this before and THEN pointing out how he might be doing it again.

And I loved this line:

The news was delivered by George W. Bush just before he boarded a plane to absorb a beating from our former European allies.
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troublemaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 01:50 PM
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15. logic check
Edited on Thu Jun-03-04 01:57 PM by troublemaker
First, thanks for the impressive piece.

I don't see elements of it, though. If one is willing to fall on his sword to help Bush it ought to help Bush. This doesn't help Bush. No discontinuity helps Bush at this point.

Anything's possible, of course--maybe Tenent got all sentimental when Bush had to lawyer-up, realizing that an investigation he thought would get Cheney might overshoot its mark--the referral to Dept Justice was Tenenet's personal decision I think.

But I think this resignation was planned by Tenent months ago. He's been working some sort of sophisticated anti-Vulcan operation using the disgrace of Chalabi as a weapon and it feels to me like he tying up loose ends... safeguarding the institutional prerogatives of CIA by taking out OSP on the way out. (When we raided Chalabis offices for the dirt he was hoarding on American officials who ended up with said dirt? I don't know and hadn't even pondered it... damn this fiasco is moving fast)

Also, as a PR matter, was this handled like something Bush/Rove knew was going to happen or like something that blind-sided them?

Also, could this outfit in its current form have pulled anything off without leaks? It was a real surprise and that argues more for an individual's unilateral action rather than a coordinated policy/personnel move.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 01:57 PM
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19. With Bush sliding in the polls, there had to be politics involved..
and Karl Rove would have advised that Tenet or Rumsfeld would have to resign, in my opinion.
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troublemaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 02:01 PM
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22. For what purpose?
This doesn't help Bush. No matter how one spins it that inconvenient fact keeps jumping up.

Bush didn't have to sacrifice someone. Let's say Bush fired Rumsfeld. Would that diminish criticism of Bush or cause it to increase?

There are sound reasons that Rove doesn't allow any admission of error--it fuels a revolution of rising expectations among critics.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 02:07 PM
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27. Bush is also dealing with international politics now...
since he is attempting to get UN help. They want to see some proof.


I disagree, I think? :) But I believe if Bush were to get rid of Rumsfeld, it would relieve a lot of partisan tension in the Congress and with the people, in general. I think Tenet was fired. (asked to resign) They are hoping this will bring Bush back up in the polls. If it doesn't, they will not hesitate to throw more meat into the grinder.
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 05:09 PM
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71. And how does Tenet's finger pointing at Chalabi help Bush?
Edited on Thu Jun-03-04 05:10 PM by Dover
Is Chalabi also a fall guy? Things just don't quite add up...

Is Tenet such a 'pleaser' that he would have led Bush to believe something he didn't himself believe...ergo the "slam dunk" statement? Or is Wilson protecting the WH too?

Who ordered the raid on Chalabi's office and who has its contents?
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chiburb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 01:54 PM
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17. Great article, but as Josh Marshall says today...
He was FIRED. He didn't resign, he wasn't pushed, he was FIRED.

Otherwise, the concept of Bush now having someone to blame is spot-on.

Nice work, Will.
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troublemaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 01:58 PM
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20. Josh Marshall has NOT said that
He observed that logic and the chatter point to him being forced out. Marshall hasn't offered a definitive theory.
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chiburb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 02:07 PM
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28. You're right, "simple logic" was his term...
Which I read as a "doh"! My bad, though I still say he was fired....
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troublemaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 02:14 PM
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36. No, you're closer to right than I thought
He implicitly buys into the firing theory in his comments toward the bottom, so Josh has tipped his hand.
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 01:55 PM
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18. Mostly I like it
The logic seems pretty sound to me. However, it just doesn't feel like it ends. After the closing quote I think it needs something from you to wrap it all up.

Some minor nits:
Paragraph 9 - should be Senate Intelligence Committee (not Community)

Paragraph 16 - make sure you have open quotation marks when you start the Karen K quote.

Throughout - be consistent in whether you do or do not capitalize Committee.

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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 01:59 PM
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21. New ending
The Valerie Plame case is creeping towards the White House, and Bush is reaching out to lawyers. Ahmad Chalabi is being sized for leg irons because he has been acting on behalf of Iran. The war is a disaster, and the Office of Special Plans owns a vast amount of blame for it, along with the neo-con hawks who put the whole scheme together.

Is Tenet's last act a last-ditch effort to pull the White House out of the maelstrom by, again, scapegoating himself and his agency? Former CIA Director Stansfield Turner seems to think so. Turner believes this resignation is "too significant a move at too important a time" to be motivated by personal considerations. "I think he's being pushed out," Turner said on CNN. "The president feels he has to have someone to blame. I don't think (Tenet) would pull the plug on President Bush in the midst of an election cycle without being asked by President Bush to do that."

It makes sense. Tenet's resignation will allow the Bush administration to say the Iraq situation was the fault of CIA and the 'intelligence' offered. Tenet's position can now be filled with a Bush loyalist; one name floated recently for the position was none other than Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz.

Will it work? If the mainstream media chooses to accept White House spin as fact, Bush will be helped by this resignation. If the mainstream media continues to avoid reporting on the OSP and the true source of the Iraq 'intelligence,' Bush will be helped by this resignation.

Yet Bush is calling his lawyer. Hm.

(thanks for the fixes)
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 02:07 PM
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29. I like that better.
I like the point at the end. It's kind of ironic when you think about it given how many times I've heard conservatives talk about how only guilty people "lawyer up". Bwahahahaha. Sorry...having a moment of evil glee.

Bringing up Wolfowitz going to CIA adds yet another scary angle to the whole mess. Eep.

And you're entirely welcome.

Oh, I notice you haven't given this a title yet. If you need any help with that just let me know. My best friend lets me do the titles for some of her short stories. It's porn granted...but still... :)
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 02:10 PM
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32. That ties up the loose ends....
and leaves open the press responsibility to get to the bottom of the OSP role in the whole mess.
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troublemaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 02:10 PM
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33. I prefer Spencer Ackerman's take
Tenent's resignation is not what Karl Rove would chose and this close to the election that says it all, in terms of whether Tenent was fired.

"While it's doubtful that Bush would have pushed Tenet out--given the president's eroding poll numbers, the last thing he needs in an election year is to risk angering a man who knows the administration's secrets--that doesn't mean Tenet wasn't facing other, more institutional pressures."

http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=express&s=ackerman060304
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 02:14 PM
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37. But that's exactly why....
he was asked to resign. It is always about politics in this WH...Rove and Bush are more concerned about the polls than any other consideration, imo..
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troublemaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 02:23 PM
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41. I agree that Rove would kill his own mother for a few polling points
but this will not help Bush in the polls.

I completely accept any nefarious scenario that actually helps Bush in the polls, but this hurts Bush. No swing voter blamed Tenent for the WMD debacle because no swing voter could even name Tenent. The only voters in play are people that don't follow politics and to them there's only a vague sense of an administration in disarray. Then the director of CIA quits. It looks like rats running off a sinking ship.

And handing out scalps doesn't calm the waters in an election year. It just jazzes up the opposition to shoot higher.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 02:36 PM
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46. I agree with you....
Edited on Thu Jun-03-04 02:36 PM by kentuck
But I think Bush and Rove think it might help. I don't think it will. Then they will have to go to step #2..... still to be determined.
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JohnOneillsMemory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 02:14 PM
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38. Spelling: Some 'Kwiatkowski' and some 'KwiatkowskY'....
Should be consistently ending with an 'i'.

Great summary of malicious manuevering and the resulting obfuscations.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 05:25 PM
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75. That makes sense to me.
Only problem is the mainstream media seems to drop the ball on any Bush scandal that doesn't involve sex and violence (Abu Ghraib) and even then seem content to let "responsibility" be a buzzword that translates into "saving face" rather than "accountability" for Rumsfeld, Cheney et. al. I expect the mainstream media probably will fall in lockstep with the inevitable Rovian spin that Tenet/Clinton is to blame for everything. But that may not matter if the Plame and Chalabi investigations finger key Bush officials, it may be the end of the road for Bush. Not that I think Bush himself would be implicated before the election, but the backlash might be enough to give Kerry enough support to win in a landslide not even Diebold could withstand. Then we could go about the task of getting Bush out of Crawford and behind bars.

Wouldn't that be beautiful?
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 05:13 PM
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72. ...and Tenet decided to resign, apparently, WED. night...not Thursday.
Edited on Thu Jun-03-04 05:25 PM by Dover
http://www.talkradionews.com/news/article.php?articleID=223

..Director Tenet called Andy Card yesterday afternoon, when we were at the Air Force Academy, and requested to meet with Secretary Card and then the President. And Director Tenet was at the White House when we arrived last night. I think we arrived a little bit after 7:00 p.m. And the Director and Secretary Card met briefly in Secretary Card's office. And then Director Tenet went over to the residence and met with the President for approximately 45 minutes. And that's when Director Tenet informed him that he had -- that he would be leaving, I believe it's effective July 11th. And it was for personal reasons that he was leaving.

So does that mean that Bush called for a lawyer the same night?

Late Wednesday night, a wire report appeared stating that George W. Bush was seeking legal advice on how to protect himself from the looming investigation into who in the White House outed the name of CIA agent Valerie Plame. According to the report, Bush was ?ready to cooperate? with the investigation ? an interesting comment, considering the fact that the investigation has been going on for months, and that his people have been stonewalling the investigation across the board. When the President needs a lawyer, it is usually a sign that there is blood in the water.


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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 02:02 PM
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23. Here's my nefarious twist - what do YOU think?
The CIA is getting plenty tired of being the whipping boy for this disdainful administration. They are furious at seeing their agency take the fall for the actions of BushCo. They are none too happy to have their operatives outed (Plame) and drunken administration officials giving up codes to Iran. They have been powerless to do anything overt about it. We all know the Chalabi shit is about to hit the fan, big time.

Tenet APPEARS to be falling on his sword, and is effectively MOVING HIMSELF OUT OF THE WAY of his agency so that they can level both barrels at the White House and the OSP. I mean, if Bush can't publicly berate Tenet and call him on the carpet to deflect blame, his administration has to bear the brunt of the negative attention.

Most importantly, Tenet won't need to be seen (by the WH) as having to hold back his agency from all out assault on them. I see today's resignation as a green light for CIA operation "Nuclear Winter" on the WH. We KNOW they have the goods to do it. Now that their WH ambassador is safely on the sidelines, go for it. GO GET 'EM BOYS!!!!

Whadya think? Lord, I hope so!

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diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 02:13 PM
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35. bush* was STUNNED at the resignation, totally unprepared and shocked

it was a 'pre-emptive' strike by tenet...

it was also real stupid of bush* to leave DC right now....as the tormoil rolls through bush* cabal...bush* has put himself in a very BAD position to control the situation, being out of the country and all...

remember when bush* took an ill-advised tour of Africa? all kinds of sh*t hit the fan in his absence....if bush* had really demanded tenet's resignation, he would have done it during a time when he could put some attention to the matter, rather that just before he got on the helicopter to leave America...."Oh, by the way..tenet resigned" as a sort of afterthought to the reporters...
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 02:18 PM
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40. This fits right in with my theory too -
Edited on Thu Jun-03-04 02:18 PM by Lady Texan
"Operation Broadside" as an accompaniment to phase one of "Nuclear Winter".

These events will be perfectly timed for maximum impact.
As Will skillfully pointed out, this took place as Bush is leaving for a sure drubbing from the Europeans - a most vulnerable time (personally) for him. Not much time to scramble his handlers.
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cmayer Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 03:29 PM
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55. I like to play poker, and I agree.
I was watching B*s face. He didn't think it was good news.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 04:28 PM
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64. I Play Poker Also, This Is One Of Bush/Rove's Last Ditch Efforts
their attempt to win at high stakes poker with a shitty hand and not many chips left on the table.

Rove operates by using diversions and scapegoats. Tenet's firing/forced resignation provided both. That this may not be effective in either regard proves how little Rove has left to work with.

Bush knows that this gambit needs to work and if it fails he's cooked.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 06:01 PM
Response to Reply #35
88. Yes.
Exactly. This was not of Bush's making. This was Tenet moving brilliantly.
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chiburb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 02:16 PM
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39. I LOVE it!
My thoughts along the same lines from an earlier thread:

BushCo will try to spin it that Tenet was "asked" to leave. However...

I think Tenet knows that he no longer has the support of The Company, because of Plame, Chalabi, lord knows what else. The Company is hell-bent on revenge, and Tenet can no longer run interference or protect BushCo from some very pissed off spooks. Hence the resignation...

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diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 02:27 PM
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43. AND the Director of the CIA KNOWS how to do paybacks...


isn't that essentially how the CIA works....BIG-time, under-the-table, clandestial PAYBACKS...where nobody can figure out WHO-DONE-IT for lack of evidence....but everybody KNOWS who-done-it...

like the Godfather movie...



here it comes and the stupid bush* has left town and is very vulnerable....

bush* runs his operation just like kenny-boy ran enron....IMO, when it does collapse...it'll be a real stunning and amazing spectacle...like enron, a texas-style implosion....everybody will just be standing there in awe asking "what the hell happened?"....

my only concern is for the safety of the American people as this spectable unfolds...
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cmayer Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 03:26 PM
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54. Big game of chess going on.
And we can see only a corner of the board. I think you may have something Lady Texan.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 03:59 PM
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59. Maybe...but there is still more. Perhaps the CIA ARE prepared to do the
Nuclear Winter thing.

This only if Bush becomes so desperate he flings himself into the abyss. And worse, decides to take all of us with him on his one way trip..

At that point in time, they will step up to the plate and do what is necessary to cease this madness.



FROG MARCH verb to carry someone face down, one person holding onto each limb; used on drunks or recalcitrant prisoners.
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Nay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 04:21 PM
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63. You know, Lady Texan, this is exactly what I was thinking when
I was coming home from work. Tenet is getting out of the way, so the CIA can do its real dirty work of bringing down Bush.

I can't see how Tenet's resignation helps Bush at all. If they asked him to resign, I can't see why they thought it would help Bush's numbers.

I also think that the quote above about how he's resigning "for the well-being of my family" is chilling as hell, but he's a CIA guy -- if the BFEE has truly threatened his family, I can't imagine that Tenet would stand still for this. If it were me, blood would be running in the streets, because I would know EXACTLY how to retaliate.

And wasn't the CIA the bunch who kept telling * that Iraq didn't have WMDs? And in the end, they were forced to sign on to the program over their own protests?

I think there is a lot more to this.
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kaitykaity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 02:03 PM
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24. Tenet listened to his friend Al Gore.
That's what I think anyway.

:shrug:
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diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 02:06 PM
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25. tenet will NOT go to FEDERAL PRISON for bush*....it's one thing
to LIE before Congress with the assurance from the pResident that NO PENALTY will apply....it's SOP to LIE for bush*, but it's a whole different thing if you're going to take a fall that puts YOU into FEDERAL PRISON....

tenet is not naive...and he WILL CYA....IMO, whatever the reasons tenet resigned....the reality will be that TENET will keep himself OUT OF PRISON....

this is the nixonian collapse of the administration...it was always OK to LIE...but so many began squealing like pigs and pointing fingers at each other and plea-bargaining as the leaks became a FLOOD...all to CYA and STAY OUT OF PRISON....as more and more were frogged-marched out to PRISON, the others were lined up to plea-bargain....for nixon, fools went to prison, even john mitchell, the Attorney General...and nixon essentially abandoned them all and 'plea-bargained' to keep his SS and pension, and fly away...

tenet has plenty of evidence to destroy bush*....as tenet gets closer to PRISON, he'll use every bit of that evidence to take down the criminals in the White House...

BTW...IMO tenet's resignation was a COMPLETE SUPRISE to bush*....a pre-emptive strike....
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 03:14 PM
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52. Lord, I'm hoping you've got the right ticket
I can't imagine that anyone that gets to be a CIA head would "fall on his sword" for the bunch of a-holes this administration is.

Don't cross the CIA. That's all they've done. If Tenet is getting out now, it's to save himself, not the creeps he works for. Why should he have loyalty to them? Why oh why? Bring 'em down.

Georgie don't lose that number, it's the only one you'll want to use.
IF anyone can pin the traitor on the elephant-it's Georgie boy.

This administration never admits failure. Never. If they were to claim it's all Georgie boy's fault, that means they are to blame as well. The buck goes to Bush. He's never hinted that anything is wrong with this "superb" director. IF he does that, it's the ultimate flip-flop, for the war in Iraq and 9/11.

That means they admit they are wrong. Would they stoop that low to win an election? ;-)
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 04:03 PM
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60. Now we are three...who believe Bush was totaly surprised...nt
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BabsSong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 02:09 PM
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31. Today Kerry and Pelosi made statements that "he fell on his sword"
This is so obvious that a blind, deaf child could figure it out; but I noted the undertones of spin are starting to creep into the media as we speak and (gasp, surprise) they are peddling just what Bush and Rove want. It's all about Tenent, the incompetent...and nay a word about the Bush regime, the criminals. I believe Bush once said it best: Mission Accomplished!!!--it's a good day for the Bush boy.
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troublemaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 02:12 PM
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34. With all due respect
I would put what a political campaign says pretty far down on my list of reliable sources. That's nothing against Kerry... that's just the nature of campaigns.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 02:24 PM
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42. A political campaign of a guy staffed by intel that left during this admin
and headed by someone who has been on the Senate Intelligence Committee for nearly two decades...I think that gives it a bit more credibility than your assessment.
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troublemaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 02:31 PM
Original message
Campaigns are not about the truth
Your argument is about what somebody KNOWS which has nothing to do with anything. I didn't say nobody in a campaign knows anything. I said there is no reason to ever believe anything said by a political campaign... ever. Under any circumstances. All politics is about lying.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 03:32 PM
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56. That's way too big of a generalization for me to agree
and far too conclusionary...so I disagree and my reasoning stands
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 03:55 PM
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58. I know what you're getting at
but no day when a major administration figure resigns is a good day for a president, no matter how anyone spins it. It just reminds the public of all the debacles this crew has brought upon us.
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 02:29 PM
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44. Too late for you to edit, but I believe it is "Rockefeller".
And, I'm hoping that we hear from Walter Pincus soon. I have a strong feeling we will.
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 02:31 PM
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45. I was having that same thought
I'm just dying to see what comes out through Pincus in the next few days. :evilgrin:
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grl2watch Donating Member (560 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 02:41 PM
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47. Why isn't Chalabi dead?
It would have been easy enough to murder him, given
the wave of assassinations in Iraq. Why is he still alive
and talking his head off?

Either he is a phony loudmouth who is not worth
the effort, or a valuable, hands-off neo-con asset.

If he is a nothing-burger, the CIA's attempt, possibly
from Tenet himself, to discredit him would be proper
and have no repercussions. If however, he is still of value,
and the CIA's revelations ruined his value as an asset,
Tenet may have had to resign as punishment for a serious
blunder.

If Chalabi is a US spy, his Iranian contacts are now toast,
his Iraqi contacts will now be viewed as US tools, and a
'valuable asset' really was compromised.
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 03:01 PM
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49. He is valuable to someone, alright
Maybe just not the parties who seem most obvious.

Seems like he is broadcasting from a bunker somewhere.

I believe Chalabi will be easy to insult and piss off, making his lips quite loose.

If he starts squawking, given his formerly chummy relationship w/the WH and Pentagon, who does that incriminate?

Yes, I think Mr. Chalabi has much to tell us in time.

Too bad we can't get any of the boatloads of money we gave him back.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 03:05 PM
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50. Did you forget ?
Edited on Thu Jun-03-04 03:05 PM by kentuck
He has valuable documents. The Bush people said the documents may pinpoint where the WMDs are hidden? They raided his office and found nothing. The documents are still out there. We don't know what info is in them.
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 03:10 PM
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51. hee, hee - you're right, good one
great cover for placing wiretaps: looking for papers, well, nothing here!
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 04:06 PM
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61. Yes, but if you are "taking the fall" for someone/something (Bush/Iraq),
then shouldn't your resignation mention you are resigning because you have failed the country/president due to the faulty intelligence leading to IraqNam, rather than an brief, opaque statement about "personal reasons"?

If you don't give any reason for your resignation, how is it to have any more signficance than if you were resigning because your hemorrhoids were acting up?
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diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 05:08 PM
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70. LOL...I agree...tenet is the BIG SPOOK...and spooks NEVER tell


anyone what's happening... and they always force a SMILE...while carrying out their work....it's a long-standing tradition....


almost PUKED, listening to tenet's resignation speech...how excited tenet was to now spend time with his son...and be a REAL dad...and go to school with his son in his senior year (yech, how'd you like your dad, chief SPOOK, coming to school with you in your senior two?) AND how he is retiring on a pre-set date, his 7th year as the CIA chief spook and all that lovely stuff...

:puke:

and if you believe that, I own a bridge in brooklyn that I'll sell you....


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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 04:08 PM
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62. More Data Is Needed To Understand What Is Going On
The abruptness of the announcement still leads me to believe that SOMETHING took the admin by surprise in this and either it was Tenant who resigned suddenly which surprised them, or something else surprised them which resulted in them suddenly forcing him out.

The timing of this and the upcoming report slamming Tenet just doesn't do it for me and doesn't explain them being seemingly caught off guard and scrambling to do this so suddenly.
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 05:00 PM
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69. Agree
Something is strange here and I can't quite figure it out yet.

Why is Chalabi not in US custody?

Who spilled the beans on Chalabi? Where did the orders originate to take him down?

Then there's the whole compromise of "sources and methods" element in publicly exposing him.

Haven't got a good bead on this yet.........
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 04:33 PM
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65. The Puppet Pres.
"to control the situation, being out of the country and all..."

This dolt controls nothing.

My theory is that Tenet did not wish to come back to the Senate to explain why the CIA did not follow up on the tip forwarded by the FBI of the guy that was taking flying lesson & only wanted to learn how to fly a plane not take off or land it. That situation would put Tenet in the postion of derelection of duty. He resigned to save himself, not BushCo.

BushCo can spin this however they wish but it opens them up to payback from the CIA rank and file who are seething and ready to burn BushCo. If Congresss focuses on the Office of Special Plans, Cheney will be indicted.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 04:35 PM
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66. It depends. Will Tenet be joining Kerry's staff any time soon?
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 04:44 PM
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67. This may be way out in left field but
it occurred to me when Gore made his speech last week. His comments about Tenant were very personal as he called Tenant a friend and said it pained him to call for his resignation. I wondered at the time what Tenant thought. It's easy to believe the political wrangling just rolls off his back like water, but I have spent many sleepless nights in my life mulling over something a colleague I respected said about me--particularly if the comments were made publicly and were true. For whatever reason, a man Gore calls "a friend" decided he could effectively run the CIA no matter which party ruled the White House. Maybe Gore reminded him this was not so. I don't know Tenent's politics. Maybe he's no different than former CIA head George HW Bush. If that were the case though, it seems like he wouldn't have resigned under any circumstances. So, maybe Gore got to him. Made him do a little introspective thinking during the Memorial Day weekend. I saw him talk about a son whom he had missed seeing grow up. Don't discount the emotional turmoil this man may be feeling. It's not like he wanted to be a Bush soldier. He did it for the 30 pieces of silver. It seems like when you sell your principles like that, so cheaply and still end up a miserable failure, there's not much you can do to redeem yourself. He helped the neo-cons out one of his own. You don't get employee of the month from your colleagues for that kind of crap.

Maybe we need to wait a bit to see what the ex-CIA director has to say in his new "unofficial" position as ordinary citizen. Wouldn't it be great if he weighed in on some of his former associates and actions? I bet his conscience is heavy.




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diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 05:15 PM
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73. but, he could also STAND UP right now and BE A HERO....

tenet could take out the whole bush* criminal enterprise and SAVE AMERICA....although I have a hard time believing that spooks have morals, because they are often operating outside of the law and in very illegal manners...and they take pride in their ability to KILL whoever is in their way...

CHIEF SPOOK tenet could redeem his guilt, if he ever had any, by STANDING UP and tellin America what he knows about bush* criminal enterprises...and if he does that...American WILL recognize him as a Patriot and a hero.....but I'm not holding my breathe....
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keithyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 04:53 PM
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68. Right on , Will. I hope this is in 'Truthout'
I love your thinking.
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 05:18 PM
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74. So how do you factor in the resignation of James Pavitt?
James Pavitt, CIA Deputy Director of Operations also resigned.

:wtf: is going on?
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 05:44 PM
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81. WHOA!
Did Pavitt resign today? Do you have a link? If that happened today, thats just too freakin coincidental if he also had "personal reasons". I want to find out more!
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diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 05:46 PM
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82. when a BIG RAT jumps ship...a lot of the 'little' rats follow him...


because, the 'little' rats may not be privy to the BIG stuff...they get the HINT...that when tenet bails, it's time for them to jump too...

especially after nixon...which can be read about in every DC bookstore and library even today....

the rats who jumped off nixon's sinking ship survived...they stayed out of prison, and got their Federal retirement benefits, and many went on to other careers...but the ones who stayed with nixon too long....hanging onto their idealist delusion...went to FEDERAL PRISONS...lots went to prison...including john mitchell, nixon's attorney general....

so everyone knows and they are moving quickly to grab their best chance....some will write books and do speaking tours and interviews, but NONE of them want to sacrifice for bush* and GO TO PRISON (especially after seeing the bush* prison torture and KILLING, both here and in Iraq)....so expect a BIG EXODUS (hehe...in keeping with bush*'s religious themes)....
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 05:28 PM
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76. It all came down WEDNESDAY NIGHT. Tenet told Bush, Bush called Lawyer
Edited on Thu Jun-03-04 06:13 PM by Dover
Tenet decided to resign, apparently, WED. night...not Thursday.

http://www.talkradionews.com/news/article.php?articleID=223

..Director Tenet called Andy Card yesterday afternoon, when we were at the Air Force Academy, and requested to meet with Secretary Card and then the President. And Director Tenet was at the White House when we arrived last night. I think we arrived a little bit after 7:00 p.m. And the Director and Secretary Card met briefly in Secretary Card's office. And then Director Tenet went over to the residence and met with the President for approximately 45 minutes. And that's when Director Tenet informed him that he had -- that he would be leaving, I believe it's effective July 11th. And it was for personal reasons that he was leaving.

So does that mean that Bush called for a lawyer the same night before/after talking with Tenet?

Late Wednesday night, a wire report appeared stating that George W. Bush was seeking legal advice on how to protect himself from the looming investigation into who in the White House outed the name of CIA agent Valerie Plame. According to the report, Bush was ?ready to cooperate? with the investigation ? an interesting comment, considering the fact that the investigation has been going on for months, and that his people have been stonewalling the investigation across the board. When the President needs a lawyer, it is usually a sign that there is blood in the water.

The AP story broke around 7:30 pm Wed. night.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=544&ncid=718&e=3&u=/ap/20040602/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_cia_leak


It was unclear on Wednesday night why Mr. Bush waited until what appears to be the last stages of the investigation into the leak before he consulted with a lawyer. One administration official speculated that the president must have had some indication that investigators now want to question him.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/03/politics/03CND-LEAK.html?ex=1086926400&en=3f96ac9cbb94ca6f&ei=5006&partner=ALTAVISTA1



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diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 05:38 PM
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79. just what I suspected: bush* was TOTALLY SURPRISED....

tenet waited until the NIGHT before bush* leaves for Europe....


bush* played tenet as a fool...

but the true idiot is BUSH...now, CIA #2 spook (the guy in charge of spies) has resigned...where is bush*...out on another European vacation to visit the POPE and the beaches of Normandy (and speak about how his Iraq WAR is the SAME as WWII...the latest White House theme of the week).....

and all our older and experienced CIA guys are bailing...soon, there'll be nobody left to protect US....another incredibly incompetent move by bush*....
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 05:46 PM
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83. Yes.
Edited on Thu Jun-03-04 06:09 PM by David Zephyr
Tenet picked the perfect moment to surprise Bush and Rove being well aware of what has happened to Dick Clark and others...including Wilson.

Tenet did not leave Rove any time whatsoever to begin painting a story of his own.

Tenet got Bush before Bush could get him.

I agree with you.
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diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 05:59 PM
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86. the NEW Dick Clarke retirement bonus....tenet will expose bush*
with a HOT book...(the book is already in progress..to be completed in 6 weeks time)...

then, the Dick Clarke cushy 'golden parachute' is a full Federal government retirement (which you wouldn't get if you were fired) AND a national best-selling book which gives you a few extra MILLION dollars...and a stream of interviews, cruise ship tours, speaking opportunities to make even more $$$...

none of which would happen if you were fired in disgrace...

bonus, as a private citizen, tenet can TELL THE TRUTH in further testimony on all of the in-progress bush* scandal investigations...and be a 'Dick Clarke' HERO....IMO, Dick Clarke set out the model for the new 'golden parachute' retirement plan for bush* minions....the first rats to jump ship DO NOT GO TO PRISON...
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 06:09 PM
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94. Bingo. The NeoCons no longer have any control over what Tenet...
...says and does. This is BAD news for the FratBoy Fuhrer.
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 06:31 PM
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97. More from the McClellan press meeting about the timing of the resignation:
Edited on Thu Jun-03-04 06:34 PM by Dover
http://www.talkradionews.com/news/article.php?articleID=223

Q Is there any connection between this resignation and the President consulting a lawyer in the CIA investigation?

MR. McCLELLAN: No. This was a decision made by Director Tenet for personal reasons, and I would not connect it to anything else. Like I said, I understand there is going to be a lot of speculation and that's why I came back here to let you know what exactly occurred. And the President also made it very clear in his remarks how sorry he was to see him leave.

Q What about a connection to Chalabi?

MR. McCLELLAN: No. I just said in answer to Scott's question, that I understand there is going to be a lot of speculation. I would not make a connection to anything else, other than this was a decision made by Director Tenet for personal reasons.

Q Was there any concern about the timing of this announcement, when they had their discussion about when the announcement would be made? I mean, the President is going over to Europe and there's a possibility that this could overshadow some of the themes that he wants to emphasize.

MR. McCLELLAN: Again, I don't think that anyone was looking at it in that context. Director Tenet made the decision that he wanted to meet with the President last night and inform him about his decision, and that's what the timing was based on. I wouldn't look at it in connection with anything else.

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diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 05:32 PM
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77. Spook #2, CIA Deputy Director of Operations RESIGNED...we're in trouble
CNN Breaking: James Pavitt, CIA Deputy Director of Operations, Resigns


all the old and experienced spooks are jumping ship...soon, there will be few people who know what to do, as we seek out people plotting more 9/11's...bush* is so completely INCOMPETENT....

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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 05:34 PM
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78. McGovern called Tenet a "Potted Plant" on the Guy James Show.
Edited on Thu Jun-03-04 05:38 PM by JanMichael
It's hardly surprising that he fell out of his pot.

EDIT: Nice essay.

Edit #2: I can't spell for crap today...
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 05:40 PM
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80. Tenet was the "designated scapegoat' from Day One...
Edited on Thu Jun-03-04 05:42 PM by Junkdrawer
The 9-11 Commission report was to be the occasion for slaughtering said goat. Tenet merely preempted the slaughter. I think he may have taken some of the planned juice out by resigning early for "personal reasons" - but never underestimate Rove's ability to make lemonade out of lemons.
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 05:52 PM
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84. it would fit Bush's MO to have Tenet "resign" the day Bush left for Europe
If anything, Busboy has a knack at ducking responsibility and the "heat", while letting others pick up the pieces.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 05:53 PM
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85. I Disagree. Bush Would Never Have Pushed Tenet Out Before November.
Edited on Thu Jun-03-04 05:53 PM by David Zephyr
Never.

No. President Bush was surprised. really surprised.

Rove didn't have time to even begin to spin a story against Tenet.

Leaving the nation without the seasoned head of the CIA --- and now his deputy as well --- and vulnerable in the eyes of the world was not in the plans of the Bush Administration...at least now.

No, this was Tenet acting first, and brilliantly so on the eve of Bush's trip to Europe.

The White House and the entire collective corporate news media were stunned by this.

This had nothing to do with Senate reports-to-be or the 9/11 Commission. It probably has a lot to do with Chalabi (who Tenet distrusted) and the Pentagon's new intelligence group (who loved Chalabi) and Ambassador Wilson's wife.

Tenet took Bush and gang by surprise. That's the story...and it's only the introduction to a very long tale about to be told.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 06:04 PM
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90. Bush Needs A Scapegoat For November- Tenet Fits The Bill Nicely
how the hell else can he stand for re-election, without someone to blame for the misinformation and failures?

This is the last ditch effort to contain political fallout.

The NeoCons are in reaction mode and trying hard to regain their upper hand/contol.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 06:08 PM
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92. No. Tenet Took Them By Surprise.
Completely.
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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 10:41 PM
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101. Slight correction...
"No. President Bush was surprised. Really surprised."

You should have said:
"No. Bush was surprised. Really surprised."

He's not the president. He's just a criminal resident.
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Bossy Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 06:00 PM
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87. Logic's fine; just a couple of minor typos:
Rockefeller is misspelled and there's a quotation mark missing at the beginning of the first Kwiatkowski quote. No major damage; I'll go look at the new ending now.
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IkeWarnedUs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 06:03 PM
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89. I don't think so
I don't know if Tenet is going to try to take the fall for the White House, has finally had enough or just found out he had terminal cancer. But I really don't think Bush knew he was going to announce Tenet's resignation until just before he did.

I was watching Bush and Howard earlier in the morning. Questions from the press is not Bush's strong suit, but he was relaxed and did pretty well - at least until the last question about the new Australian Labour Party leader were elected and pulled the troops out of Iraq. Even that he handled pretty well for him.

He was tense, nervous and clipped when he announced Tenet's resignation. Not the same confident person at all.

I think Bush probably thought (and/or was told) that Tenet would rethink his plan to resign before the election. He may have even told him he didn't want him to resign right now and assumed Tenet would honor the tradition of not refusing a request of the President. My guess (I haven't been able to confirm the timeline yet) is that the White House found out Tenet was going to address the CIA employees that morning and had to get out in front of the story. No time to spin. Barely enough time to prop Bush up and feed him a few lines.

If this was Bush's idea he would have had a strong spin for it and would have timed it much better. If Bush felt he had to ask Tenet to resign his handlers would have made sure he did it in a way and at a time that would give him a boost. The best he can hope for is not too much damage.

A couple other observations: In Tenet's speech to the CIA he seemed to sincerely get choked up when talking about his son. I've been thinking about what would illicit that kind of reaction and one thing that keeps coming to me is testifying at upcoming hearings, being discredited and possible jail time. And how many times did Tenet tell everyone to "Tell the Truth".
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 06:14 PM
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95. Interesting speculation. Thanks!
eom
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 06:05 PM
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91. Thanks for posting this. Was I the only one who wasn't aware ....
of this??

The OSP, recall, was created by Defense Secretary Don Rumsfeld specifically to second-guess and reinterpret intelligence data to justify war in Iraq. The OSP was staffed by rank amateurs, civilians whose ideological pedigree suited Rumsfeld and his cabal of hawks. Though this group was on no government payroll and endured no Congressional oversight, their information and interpretations managed to prevail over the data being provided by the State Department and CIA. This group was able to accomplish this incredible feat due to devoted patronage from high-ranking ultra-conservatives within the administration, most prominently Vice-President Cheney.

This group worked according to a strategy that they hoped would recreate Iraq into an Israeli ally, destroy a potential threat to Persian Gulf oil trade, and wrap U.S. allies around Iran. The State Department and CIA saw this plan as being badly flawed and based upon profoundly questionable intelligence. The OSP responded to these criticisms by cutting State and CIA completely out of the loop. By the time the war came, nearly all the data used to justify the action to the American people was coming from the OSP. The American intelligence community had been totally usurped."


I had no idea that things went down in this manner.
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TexasSissy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 06:09 PM
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93. Totally logical.
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 06:25 PM
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96. Four possible scenarios
This may be an oversimplification, but I see four possible scenarios, only one of which makes some sense.

1) WMD and THREAT ASSESSMENT ERRORS WERE FAULT OF CIA and Tenet is going to be QUIET ABOUT HIS AND CIA PERFOMANCE

This scenario seems unlikely because if CIA was performing the way the BA wanted (giving evidence that Irag was a threat) then OSP would not have been needed. Since OSP was formed, we can assume that CIA was providing information with disclaimers and caution. Besides, if CIA was truly negligent in assessing Irag issues, Tenet would have been gone long before. I will also say that Paul O'Neill, in Suskind's book said he saw the CIA intelligence and it always contained disclaimers.

2) WMD AND THREAT ASSESSMENT ERRORS WERE FAULT OF CIA and Tenet is going to FULLY CONFESS.

This scenario is unlikely because of the same argument as above and is further unlikely because no one stands up and admits to being at fault for misleading a nation to war. Again, if CIA was truly negligent in assessing Irag issues, Tenet would have been gone long before.

3) WMD AND THREAT ASSESSMENT ERRORS WERE THE CREATION OF THE BA and Tenet is going to be a good soldier and NOT SQUEAL.

Given the well-documented neocon position on Irag even before 9/11, it is credible that the BA distored facts and cherry-picked information in order to go to war with Iraq. Tenet has a choice now to expose BA or be silent. However I can't image that Tenet's position will be one of silence because to say nothing will not only reinforce perception of his own personal failings, but will also besmirch the entire CIA organization for perceived failings. Why would he allow this to happen?

4) WMD AND THREAT ASSESSMENT ERRORS WERE THE CREATION OF THE BA and Tenet is going to SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT

To me, most likely scenario. It's going to be interesting. Even if Tenet was willing to take a fall, in effect taking the CIA down with him for BA faults, someone below him won't stand for it. I imagine there are too many people who know the truth and who don't want to be indirectly accused of failure.

Fasten your seatbelts, it's going to be a bumpy ride.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 06:39 PM
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98. LINK TO FINAL VERSION
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 10:49 PM
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102. I think it's about re-election not the crime & time.
A new head means a new excuse for further slowness of CIA revelations, and a way to stop some revelations.

Bush's lawyer-up is not in any newscast today, after the morning news. By noon, it was non-news.

Bush may have been surprised, maybe Wed night he got the news and need of a lawyer. The think-tanks may have worked all night and Tenet learned his resignation was accepted when Bush spoke Thu morn playing it as a trump that covered the lawyering being discussed as Bush guilt. Bush won big, the lawyering didn't get a mention by 6pm, let alone discussed. Tenet is not resigning for some time, so it could have been a hidden trump, or, a Wed surprise that couldn't wait for Fri afternoon. FOX had noted a big news story for tomorrow(Thu) earlier on Wed I recall. I'd bet they had talking points sent by morning.

Anyway, NPR rid itself of Bob Edwards for a reason. No mention that Clinton hired Tenet as a bi-partisan gesture to Republicans even on "All Things Considered."

Tenet was blamed all day for 9/11 and Iraq WMD.

It's about the perception of re-electability. BBV could insure the vote, PR must insure the plausible deniability of a Bush numerical win.
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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 09:59 PM
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100. A Good Starting
Point is a good place to begin.
If we back up a bit Powell started out complaining about false intelligence. On the other foot we have the info that the CIA was not satisfied with Chalibi and the neo-cons were supporting him.
Also the pentagon was unhappy with the the CIA info and started their own operation.
So now no one is talking about the pentagon data(misdata) but about the CIA data.

Seems that we have someone who pulls out Powell, Rummy and Bush from the pit. I would look for more of the unexpected being exercised by the CIA to get the true data out in front.
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