What's the deal with Pickle's veil?

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

Edit - This is from today at the Papal audience in the Vatican

Update - more veils




IMO - I think they're insencere!


Yet look - no veil!

Jackie's veiled but she was Catholic


Maybe it has something to do with this:

1 Cor. 11:2 ff. 2 I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions just as I handed them on to you. 3 But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the husband is the head of his wife,and God is the head of Christ. 4 Any man who prays or prophesies with something on his head disgraces his head, 5 but any woman who prays or prophesies with her head unveiled disgraces her head--it is one and the same thing as having her head shaved. 6 For if a woman will not veil herself, then she should cut off her hair; but if it is disgraceful for a woman to have her hair cut off or to be shaved, she should wear a veil. 7 For a man ought not to have his head veiled, since he is the image and reflection of God; but woman is the reflectionof man. 8 Indeed, man was not made from woman, but woman from man. 9 Neither was man created for the sake of woman, but woman for the sake of man. 10 For this reason a woman ought to have a symbol of authority on her head,because of the angels. 11 Nevertheless, in the Lord woman is not independent of man or man independent of woman. 12 For just as woman came from man, so man comes through woman; but all things come from God. 13 Judge for yourselves: is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head unveiled? 14 Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears long hair, it is degrading to him, 15 but if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For her hair is given to her for a covering. 16 But if anyone is disposed to be contentious--we have no such custom, nor do the churches of God.

Just a thought!

[napi21]

1. Don't know where she was in this picture, but if this is a new one

maybe it was with W at the vatican. I think there's some custom that women wear a head cover while visiting the Vatican & the Pope.

[LittleApple81]

2. Actually, before rules changed in the Catholic Church (i.e., Mass in

people's native languages and not in Latin, priests facing the congregation during consecration of the Host, etc. etc.) women had to cover their heads when entering church. Maybe when you go see the Pope you have to cover your head if you are female? (I have never seen the Pope so I don't know if this is the case.)
And what she is wearing was a typical type of shawl (we called them "mantillas" because they came originally from Spain).

[Virginian]

3. M y guess is...

If I had to guess what this was all about, I would guess that this picture was taken at the vatican and there is a tradition of women wearing head coverings.

I'm not Catholic, maybe someone who is can give an answer instead of a guess.

[MikeG]

4. Did Hillary do this? I hope not.

[zbdent]

5. Mourning the passing of Bush's credibility?

or maybe the death of the re-election hopes . . .

One can dream.

[Benhurst]

6. I think she is auditioning for the lead in the new film

Pickles of Arabia.

[Straight Shooter]

24. LOL! Good one!

n/t

[Hubert Flottz]

In mourning about Bush's upcoming layoff!

She'll be slopping the hogs in Crawford this time next year!

[graham67]

7. When my in-laws visited the vatican....

and had a pic taken with the Pope, my MIL had to wear a chapel veil.

[starroute]

8. Isn't it required for visiting the Pope?

I seem to remember pictures of some previous first lady similarly attired. I don't think it's any big deal.

[Bridget Burke]

9. It's traditional for women meeting with the Pope

When I was a girl, all women had to wear head coverings in Church. Just a lace doily was OK.

I do believe that Paul was the source. From the Middle Ages until the 19th century, women (or married women) covered their hair at all times; sometimes totally, sometimes "symbolically".

[Bandit]

10. Talk about hypocrisy ~ Why doesn't she wear this every day?

If they truly believe they would dress accordingly every single day, not just when visiting a Pope. It is all for show and no real expression of faith. Why is it that people can not see through this charade?

[graham67]

12. It's not a big deal...

It's ceremonial, more or less. Along the lines of curtseying when meeting the Queen of England.

[Neecy]

11. fashion a la Pickles

Good god, it looks like she's wearing a bath towel on her head.

What a frump.

[readmylips]

13. Hillary met with the Pope many times and never....

wore a mantilla. Catholic Jackie Kennedy always wore her Mantilla. Mantillas are not for style, they are religious Catholic symbols, still practiced in Catholic countries except in the USA. When bush went to Iraq or visits his Saudi criminal friends, he doesn't wear a religious turban. Mrs. Pickles is out of line wearing that Catholic mantilla.

[July]

21. I don't think the mantilla is a "religious Catholic symbol"

Catholic women have used them to meet the requirement to cover their heads in church (back in the day, I don't think it's required now), but there is no "practice" or requirement to use the mantilla, and I don't think Catholics would consider it a Catholic symbol, even though it is associated with Catholic women through their choice of wearing it. If I had to guess, I'd say it caught on because, as a lightweight lace scarf, it didn't wreck a hairdo, but that's just my speculation. Easy on, easy off, as well.

As far as the mantilla's still being "practiced" in Catholic countries, I'm not sure that's true, either. I lived in Spain for several years, and the only time I ever saw a mantilla was on television or in gossip magazines, when the queen and her daughters attended a wedding and weren't wearing a tiara (check pictures of the crown prince's recent wedding), or on the mother of the bride in society wedding pictures. In all my time there, I did not EVER meet or see a woman wearing a mantilla. And I believe the mantilla originated in Spain (the name is certainly Spanish).

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

14. MORE EVIDENCE - seems like a tradition- check this out

[buff2]

15. Yuck!

Looks like she is trying to be like Jackie O. LAURA....YOU WILL **NEVER** EVEN COME CLOSE TO JACKIE KENNEDY ONASSIS,SO QUIT TRYING! :puke:

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

17. Ha ha!

No comparison!

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

16. That's the new Stepford wife look for summer. n/t

[asjr]

18. She should have used it to

cover her face.

[cosmicdot]

19. Laura, I served with Jackie Kennedy. I knew Jackie Kennedy.

Jackie Kennedy was a friend of mine. Laura, you're no Jackie Kennedy."

((kudos to Lloyd Bentsen))

[keithyboy]

20. BUT, the Pope has his head 'veiled' (covered). #4

So what's up with that?

It's just the traditions of man and man doesn't know what he wants to do from one century to the next.

[LibLabUK]

22. Hmm.. I don't see the problem.

When politicians in the UK visit a temple/church/synagogue etc they abide by whatever customs are relevant to the religion (taking off one's shoes, wearing a kippa). I think it's a mark of respect.

[chimpy the poopthrower]

30. I agree.

No big deal. We have more important things to worry about.

[theboss]

23. Interesting article on Mantilla

http://www.recirca.com/backissues/c92/supplement/13.shtml

[theboss]

25. PS. Hillary apparently wore a mantilla once too

"Why then did "eminent lady dignitaries" like the Queen of England and Hillary Clinton dress in long dark dress and veil?"

There is no picture backing this up though.

[Oddman]

26. LOL!! Stepford Wife!!!

She is the ULTIMATE Stepford Wife!!!

[hlthe2b]

27. Sign of respect: "when in Rome..." But, I'm glad Pres. Mary Robinson

chose not to. As a female President, I think it extremely important that she chose not to depart from her own protocol for any other meeting with a "head of state." But, I have no problem with Pickles (or Hillary)doing so or not as they feel personally appropriate.

Respectful dress consistent with the most liberal generic norms of their host is a must in my opinion, though (i.e., Americans that think they should wear shorts and halter tops in a church, synagogue, or mosque need to get a clue--and some manners, IMO.

[keithyboy]

28. Proves that you shouldn't quote the Bible unless you really know what is

being said. Clearly verse #4 says that any man who prays with a covering on his head disgraces his head. The Pope is a man. He has a covering on his head. Has he disgraced his head?

The essence of what Paul was saying in this scripture is that these traditions of man don't really count for anything in the true "Church." God is not paying attention to the traditions of man...even the old laws of the Torah which were written and interpreted by man to suit their purposed during a specific time. Most "Christians" don't even know what they are reading when they read the Bible. They only know what some funddie lunatic tells them to believe...they seldom read the scripture for themselves and when they do they allow others to tell them what to believe. Sorta like the other dittoheads and Rush Limbaugh.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

31. Right, but folks like George and Pickles take the bible literally and

without any interpretation whatsoever, sentence by sentence.

[cap]

29. Laura's just being weird...

only a very few conservative Catholics in this country wear the mantilla and I mean 1-2 in a service of hundreds of Catholics.

Women don't wear the mantilla in Europe either.

The mantilla went out in the 60's...on the other hand, since Laura dresses a bit "retro", maybe she thinks that we should be doing this. It was always a pain, because if we were out on a Saturday and wanted to go to church directly we scrounged up kleenexes and bobby pinned them to our hair. It's not a rule of the church.

[DaveSZ]

32. In many cultures, the veil

The veil is often used to hide the sex appeal or femininity of a woman.

It's a device used to subjugate women basically.