How many soldiers have to be killed before America starts to revolt?

[TNDemo]

Apparently 1-2 per day is within America's comfort zone. Just part of the morning news. Will it take killing a huge number at once to rile the masses or will anything start the push to get them out? Of course we started this mess and we have to mop it up but I would sure like to see us go to the UN with our hat in our hand and reestablish relationships and then do it as a joint effort.

[ameriphile]

1. Think about what you're suggesting here

Do you really expect the Bush administration to exhibit that kind of diplomatic skill?

[Hamlette]

2. and another thing to think about...

...what do you want us to do now? Walk away? One thing Friedman was right about was "you broke it, you bought it." I certainly do not feel like I am at fault in creating the mess in Iraq but I do feel some responsibility to fix it. By which I mean by humanitarian means and turning it over to the UN. But we better have a plan for getting out or once again the world gets pissed...this time at us, the opposition.

[HFishbine]

3. Answer

When the number surpasses the number killed on 9/11.

[lindashaw]

4. We just went to the UN an hour ago.

[newyawker99]

6. Hi lindashaw!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Spoon]

5. 1000 may do it

You'll probably sense a change then.

[Warren Stuart]

7. 20,000

Seriously it would take Vietnam type numbers to start any meaningful anti-war movement. Supposing of course that the draft was been re-instated and young men are being sent into harm's way against their will.

At this rate it will be years before critical mass will be achieved. I don't mean to be a pessimist, but we as a people are not the type to cut and run when the going gets tough (unless you happen to be a Republican).

[Minstrel Boy]

8. and with Pentagon number crunching, the official count

would not approach "Vietnam-type numbers" until twice as many had actually died.

[KG]

9. not till the media starts showing the dead.

the bodies, the sceaming wounded, flag draped coffins - none of which the media dare show. they know they were complicit in cheerleading this disaster.

until america starts seen dead soldiers, their deaths are just background noise while americans wait for 'Joe Millionaire' to come on somatized them. :(

[Cocoa]

10. 29,853

according to the Triangle Institute for Security Studies.

http://www.endthewar.org/features/thirtythousand.htm

Military Mission: Congo
Military Elite: 284
Civilian Elite: 484
Mass Public: 6,861

Military Mission: Iraq
Military Elite: 6,016
Civilian Elite: 19,045
Mass Public: 29,853

Military Mission: Taiwan
Military Elite: 17,425
Civilian Elite: 17,554
Mass Public: 20,172

[this_side_up]

11. I think we are stuck

there until people like my Rep neighbors get hit, big time.

With them and/or the rest of their family members laid
off and no job in sight. When they lose money and retirement
plans in spite of their Rep inside connections.


Edit: Yesterday I tried to discuss the almost
7 trillion debt and the projected future of almost 13 trillion.

Her response: well, we *had* a war. To them, it's over
and the continuing deaths are no big deal, just as long as
their rich life continues unabated and unobstructed and
not inconvenienced in any way.

They *are* annoyed that they cannot fly to Mexico or
Bali any longer.

[leftofthedial]

12. over 500 at once

or 25,000 cumulatively

[orangecoloredapple]

13. When someone on every other block

or in every other family has lost someone, then people will begin to understand that it's not just some imaginary game - real people are dying. I guarantee if the names and pictures of the dead and wounded were shown nightly on the news, it would begin to sink in. Otherwise, everyone just goes about their business and is glad it doesn't affect them. After all, we have Arnold and Kobe to think about.

[ProudGerman]

14. That's exactly the faux patriotism that makes me hurl

They have a flag on their vehicle, and say "support the troops" so many times that its morphed into nonsensical gibberish.......kinda like the noises sheep make. (yeah, I just made a sheeple reference...shoot me) But do they give a damn that Americans are dying everyday? Do they even take the time to see if another American has died that day in support of what they so wholeheartedly believed in? (you'll have to excuse the puddle of sarcasm underneath that last sentence)

The answer is no. These "uber-patriots" who "love" their country so god damn much don't even bother to see if a soldier died doing what they asked them to do, let alone finding out his name. The war is old news, even the occupation is old news. Who cares?

I do goddammit!

[dflprincess]

15. It wasn't just the number dying in Vietnam that did it

It was watching it happen on the evening news every night. It was the media - in particular Walter Cronkite - turning against it and showing us what was really going on.

[bpilgrim]

17. actually it was what was happening in the streets as well...

the media had to be dragged into it, as usual...

more...
http://bbs.globalfreepress.com/coppermine

psst... pass the word ;->

peace

[bpilgrim]

16. they figure 911 bought them at least... 3 VIETNAMS, probably...

acrding to RUMMY anyways...

more...
http://bbs.globalfreepress.com/coppermine

peace

[whathappened]

18. these suckers in d.c.

just don't give 2 shits about how many die in combat over there and how many just plain die of something , it will be one less mouth to feed here at home , these rich suckers care only of themselfs and no others count to them , so live it up jr. and kick back at the old texas ranch and have a ball , hell it don't mean a dam thing to him and others like him

[tom_paine]

19. 50,000+ You forget Goebbels v2.0's tremendous hypnotic power

As well as the exigencies of modern life, so chock full of info, evenst run run run, my God the day never ends oh to watch a few hours of relaxing mind numbing TV...

Do you know how much time and effort Goebbels v1.0 made to induce that state of intellectual bedragglement? Read "They Thought They Were Free" or "Defying Hitler" to see what temendous evening programs events and spectacles the Nazis did to keep people from contemplation.

I don't think it's a conspiracy or anything, but unwittingly we have replicated this condition in 21st Century Imperial Amerika.

And the Busheviks have ressurected Goebbels v1.0 as a propaganda strategy, right down to having a Fatbelly Pigboy.