Some day, Jimmy Carter will die...

[Dookus]

and the Freepers will say the most evil, hateful, disgusting things about him and gloat about his demise.

And somebody will report back here what they're saying, and we'll all agree that they're awful, horrible people with no sense of humanity, and pride ourselves on being such better people.

I'm just sayin'

[REP]

1. Does Anybody Really Care What "They" Say?

I cannot imagine anyone giving a flying fuck about what opinion the fine folks at FR have on, well, anything.

[democracyindanger]

2. I think, respectfully,

you're missing Dookus' point.

[REP]

11. No; You're Missing Mine

I don't care what those people think, nor do I feel compelled to put on a show for them. No matter what fine feelings people here express, they will find fault, but who gives a shit? It's like caring what cockroaches think of your fashion sense.

[democracyindanger]

15. Yep

You missed it. See #7.

[freetobegay]

3. The only thing I would point out is that Jimmy Carter

Did not commit the atrocities that Ronald Reagan did.

[okieinpain]

4. I agree with you, but you really know that it does matter if

we said the nicest things in the world about ronnie. the Freepers are still going to take a nice big crap on any dem, even if it was jesus christ himself.

[Dookus]

7. It's not about what we say or what they say

It's about retaining humanity and basic decency.

Why should we hate Freepers for their horrible actions if ours are no better?

[Qanisqineq]

12. well said

[NoPasaran]

47. Freepers are hateful human garbage 24/7

I'm not.

If it's unsettling that some of us raise a glass to the passing of a horrible man who did tremendous damge to our country, Excuuuse Me.

[immune2irony]

5. carter didn't invade foreign countries and bomb children

Unlike some other presidents I could mention.

[girl gone mad]

25. Not to mention..

make deals with terrorists to win the election.

[Dookus]

26. Nobody

has defended Reagan's actions as President.

People keep throwing them out as if we're somehow unaware of them. That's not true. I doubt many people here had any agreement or admiration for Reagan as president. But that's not the point.

Now he's a very old, very sick man who is likely dying. Is it really impossible for people to feel ANY human empathy for people they disagree with politically? If so, this whole planet is fucked.

[Charley_Dog]

27. "Is it really impossible..."

"Is it really impossible for people to feel ANY human empathy for people they disagree with politically? If so, this whole planet is fucked."

Just starting to realize that, are you? This whole planet was screwed the minute we came down from the trees.

[I thought so.]

6. Reagan R.I.P.

He had his viewpoint which wasn't mine. That is Democracy. That's politics. Let us not forget that.

[freetobegay]

9. Welcome to DU "I thought so."

Just remember what politics has done to this Country in the past 3 1/2 years.

[WilliamPitt]

8. I posted a poem for the bastard

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1722323

It's the most honest thing anyone will say about him.

[FDRrocks]

10. Carter is not Reagan

Reagan is a bastard. Someday Clinton will die, and someday Bush will die. And someday, someone will draw a comparison, which isn't reasonable.

Reagan is a worthless POS and many people died as a direct consequence of his decisions.

[JI7]

14. i don't think he is saying we should not be critical

of what reagan did while in public office. but some of the posts are not really about that. they are just posts taking joy in his dying. as if the way reagan is living now is something to admire.

[FDRrocks]

16. That may be true

and I may have mistaken the intention. But, sad as it may make myself to say, I will be happy once Ronald Reagan is no longer a living being on this earth.

[bluestateguy]

13. I will stay respectful of Reagan when the day comes

In fact, this president makes me long for the reagan years as a much better alternative. Granted, I'll take the Clinton years, but if given the choice I'll take the Reagan years over the Baby Bush presidency anyday. Hence, I will remember Ronnie fondly.

[Rationality]

17. They have their right to do so, and we have our right to disregard them

and personally, I realize this is a political forum, and I'm just because "decency" would mandate respect for a dying man does not mean I'm going to give Reagan an inch of it for as long as I post here.

[Dookus]

20. I would expect nothing less from you

But as Jono wisely put it, some of us put humanity at the base of our politics.

[Rationality]

21. And as I said to Jono, it's over-rated and self-delusionary ((n/t))

[Dookus]

23. well

I always found sociopathy overrated.

[jono]

35. There's a difference between respect for the man

and sympathy for the family. I have no respect for the man. But thanks for the borderline personal attack.

[VolcanoJen]

18. Thanks for sayin', and I agree, and stuff.

Let's all chill on Ronnie, shall we?

We have bigger fish to fry... much, much bigger fish.

In hindsight, and in comparison, Ron wasn't all that bad.

I never, ever thought I'd fucking feel this way... but I do. History and three odd years has that effect on rational individuals.

[Dookus]

19. I know how you feel

I hated Reagan so much when he President, thinking he was the absolute worst.

How sad to be shown that he was just an amateur in the bad president department.

[VolcanoJen]

22. It's like, well, I only have so much anger to give.

Ya know?

And I just have to stay focused.

Plus, Nancy has really impressed me of late. Nancy!!! Can you believe it? But she has. Who would have thought...?

Focus... focus... focus. Only so much negative energy to go around... and we might be burying Ronnie, but I'll continue to train my spotlight on the BFEE.

[maggrwaggr]

24. AND PEOPLE WILL WANT THE TRUTH TOLD

which for Carter will be that he was a wonderful, gentle and intelligent man.

I just want the truth told about Reagan. Without any dramatics or emotion would be absolutely fine. Dry as dust. The truth.

Think of it.

[Forkboy]

28. So let them say what they want

I dont give a shit :shrug:

[Dookus]

29. You missed the point entirely

as did many people.

[mopaul]

30. please read Will Pitt's reminder about ronnie raygun

Don't feel like apologizing for how you feel re: Reagan? Post here.


A lot of people got into politics because of John Kennedy, or because they wanted to fight for justice in the civil rights cause. That entrance to politics was a positive one.

A lot of people got into politics because of Vietnam, or because Bobby got killed, or because MLK got killed, or because of Watergate. These were negative entrances into politics, borne of a need to stop outrages before they swamped the body politic.

Ronald Reagan was my entrance into politics, and it was a negative entrance. I remember very vividly this President telling me that my generation would be the one to face the apocalypse, a statement that was one of the most defining moments in my life. I lived under a cloud of fear after that.

My work in politics, for my whole life, has been in the majority an effort to undo the massive damage from the disaster that was the Reagan administration.

Our mainstream media journalism is a joke because of Reagan dereguation.

Our social programs were savaged because of Reagan.

Our environmental regulations, once something to be proud of, were eviscerated by Reagan.

The manifest power of corporations over virtually every facet of our lives came because of the massive deregulations put forth by Reagan.

The AIDS virus found a long, comfortable home in America because Reagan couldn't be bothered with funding research into 'gay cancer.'

Crack owned the urban world, wracked by the aforementioned social evisceration, for years because Reagan couldn't be bothered. Whole generations of Americans died in misery because he couldn't have gven a damn about their problems.

Saddam Hussein was a creation, in huge part, of Reagan.

Same goes for Osama bin Laden, who along with al Qaeda and the Taliban went from being a side project under Carter to a front-and-center priority that led directly to the attacks of September 11, not to mention the African embassy bombings. Those two embassies were destroyed with Semtex sold to Afghan mujeheddin (nee Taliban and al Qaeda) by the Reagan administration.

Dick Cheney was a Reagan creature.

Don Rumsfeld was a Reagan creature.

Paul Wolfowitz was a Reagan creature.

Richard Perle was a Reagan creature.

John Negroponte was a Reagan creature.

Elliot Abrams was a Reagan creature.

Dick Armitage was a Reagan creature.

There was some other guy named George, who spawned an idiot named George, who also came out of the Reagan administration.

If you cannot make the direct 2+2=4 connection between the legacy of the Reagan administration and the goddam intractible swamp we slog through every day today, then I despair of your ability to follow coherent logic.

Am I happy Reagan is dead? No.

Do I have a moment of doubt as to whether or not I should speak the truth of him to as many people as I can reach with my arm? I have not one single moment of doubt.

I'm sorry you feel bad because I don't feel bad enough about this, that I am perhaps being 'disrespectful.' Ronald Reagan was my entrance into politics, and it was an ugly, frightening entrance. The Reagan legacy has been a stain across our national landscape, and my life's work to date has been the process of trying to staunch the bleeding.

If you think I'm going to back off because he's dead, think again. If you don't like it, there's a nifty little 'x' next to this thread. Hit it.

Otherwise, speak the truth here and the Devil take the hindmost.

[Dookus]

33. I've read most of the hate Will has typed today

and it has NOTHING to do with my point whatsoever.

Saying I'm not gonna take a dump on his casket doesn't make a Reagan fan. It doesn't mean I agree with him on anything.

[playahata1]

51. Since when does telling the truth equal hate?

Looks like some people can't handle the truth.

[greatauntoftriplets]

31. Why waste your time at Free Republic????

:shrug:

[Dookus]

32. sigh

I give up. Nobody bothers to read.

It's not about what they say or what we say. It's about us looking down at them for being cruel, heartless, nasty bastards while behaving the same exact way ourselves.

Hate on with your bad selves.

[greatauntoftriplets]

34. I read what you said.....

and I lived through the Ray-goon era as a well-informed, politcally aware adult. I was past 30 when he was elected and remember the times very well.

Had George H.W. Bush not been Ray-goon's vice president and chosen successor, who would ever have heard of the Dim Son? George W. Bush is Ray-goon's legacy to the country.

[Dookus]

36. I was in college when he was elected

and I opposed him on everything he did.

But that's not the point, either.

Hate on with your bad selves.

[greatauntoftriplets]

38. "Bad selves" ????

Judgmental aren't you?

On edit: How do you feel about this death?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x1234180

[Dookus]

40. I cried when I read it

I'd been hoping against hope for a better outcome, and was heartbroken to hear the news.

[NV1962]

37. You're not seriously comparing Carter to his successor are you!?

And why exactly should I restrict expression of my views on a murderous thug in any way, just based on what the cheerleaders for said criminal may say or not?

Good grief - this country is indeed gripped by a deranged Boiling the Frog syndrome...

If it's "inappropriate" to say good riddance at the news of a dead monster, it's highly appropriate to break decorum.

Dookus, I think that in this case you're full of it. I'm just sayin' too!

[Dookus]

39. well subtlety is lost

when people are too busy indulging in an orgy of hate.

So here's the concise version:

If you act like Freepers, you have no right to claim to be better than them. Clear enough?

[NV1962]

43. Mind if I flip that argument around?

Are you actually claiming the position of arbiter of who "has a right to claim" anything whatsoever?

In another thread devoted to the same ignominous dead guy, I expressed my opposition to the use of "symmetry" as a criterium of "deserved righteousness."

I'll use a deliberately extreme example to illustrate my point: consider a hypothetical discussion between a (convinced) German Nazi and a Jewish survivor of Auschwitz, following the breaking news of the death of Adolf Hitler. The Jewish person express joy and even glee upon hearing the news, upon which the Nazi accuses the Jew of losing the moral high ground: "you're no better than us!"

I reserve every right to claim that I am a better person than someone who kisses the dead genocidal criminal's ass in spite of the abundance of incriminating matter.

If you still believe that that puts me at the level of a "freeper," I'll take that as a compliment. Clear enough?

;)

[Dookus]

44. Yes, perfectly clear

you believe you can emulate the worst qualities of those you oppose while still remaining superior to them.

Good on ya. Hope it works out for you.

[Forkboy]

46. And you complain of people missing YOUR point?

:silly:

[moondust]

41. Wait until Clinton dies.

The bigots will have week-long street dances from Sugar Land to Savannah.

[Dookus]

42. yes they will

and we will say they're assholes for doing so. And we'll be right.

[DancingBear]

45. Hang in there Dookus

This place is unbelievable tonight. You could hold a mirror up to some of these folks and they STILL wouldn't get the point.

Try this:

"He was a despicable fucking human being, and I'll be happy to piss on his grave. Every fucking thing that is wrong with this country now is his fault. I lived through 8 years of his bullshit, and now I can't even walk out the fucking door without being worried about getting blown apart by some crazed bastard from overseas. Fuck you forever - Bill Clinton."

Sound like the musings of someone whose opinion you value? Thought not.

Gee, I can hardly wait for another 20-something to give me the Reagan littany... or piss on my grave when I'm gone. Yes, of course, that'll show me...

[Ironpost]

48. I feel that someday President Carter will pass

But he'll never die in my heart. Enough said. Decisions based on dialog.

[FredScuttle]

49. We are better people

and fuck Ronald Reagan. I'm just sad LBJ isn't around to give him a skull fuck.

Oops! Lost my moral superiority card...whatever will I do when the freepers do the inevitable and shit on some Democrat's grave? Probably turn the other cheek and not give a tuppence fuck what they think, like I usually do.

[sleipnir]

50. Carter is a human, not a fucking incarnation of Satan...

I'm done talking about the Raygun, who now burns in Hell with the rest of the minions who did his bidding. Fuck Raygun, if there's a Hell, he'll be saving some seats for several current admin people.

[flaminbats]

52. Both Reagan and Carter molded me into a Democrat...

I see this as a two-headed coin. Flip the coin and I could get Carter or Reagan. Either way that coin has made me who I am, and I'm better because of it. Both Reagan and Carter deserve my appreciation.

[Susang]

53. Some day I will die as well, as will we all.

And I won't give a shit about what is said about me by anyone. Because whatever I did in my life, I am responsible for. If I did good things, people will likely be kind. If it turns out that I was a shit, then I get what I deserve.

[Zinfandel]

54. So what? And we'll hear the same shit...Your point?

Reagan was a cold-hearted, lying, imperialistic despising of others less-fortunate pig...Are you making the same assessment or accusations about Carter?

Impossible!