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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 11:10 AM
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Al Gore is insane
Edited on Sat Jun-05-04 11:17 AM by CatWoman
That's all I've heard from the right wing last week.

24/7.

"Al Gore was shrieking."

"Al Gore is insane."

"He is descending into madness."

This came on the heels of Al's speech to MoveOn.Org.

Question: Have these people heard BUSH'S speeches?

If the manner of speech is indicative of one's mental state, Bush wins hands down.

I wish the Democrats would start pointing this out.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 11:11 AM
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1. So is he "boring" or "insane"? They can't have it both ways n/t
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StopThief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 01:19 PM
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41. My guess is. . . .
they would say that he was boring. . . . .until he went insane.

:evilgrin:
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 11:12 AM
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2. I have yet to see the DNC loyalists rally round Gore in his defense.
Edited on Sat Jun-05-04 11:13 AM by Dover
Now figure that one out.
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sweetladybug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 11:17 AM
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9. Yep you sure don't see top Democrats defending Gore.
And this pisses me off.
I wish President Gore would run again. I would vote for Gore before I would vote for Kerry.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 12:13 PM
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37. So would I, in a heartbeat
"I wish President Gore would run again. I would vote for Gore before I would vote for Kerry."
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 11:32 AM
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27. You won't.
When the "He's insane" defense is trotted out it means they
don't even begin to want to talk about whatever that person
is trying to talk about. It's the last ditch "controlling the
terms of the debate" strategy. The used it on Mr. Dean just a
little while ago, among a fairly long list of others.
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 11:13 AM
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3. When did Susan Estrich become a wingnut?
She was on Fox last night with Hannity and Coulter, and I swear to God, she out-winged those two. Though admittedly, she seemed like she had just finished a fith of Jose, and had swallowed the worm.
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 11:18 AM
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13. I saw her briefly with former Sec. Reich and I couldn't believe that any-
one allowed her drunk or high on whatever ass on tv. She was slurring, incapable of completing a thought or a sentence. I couldn't believe that someone didn't pull her aside and tell her - not tonight, go home and sober up.
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 11:13 AM
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4. I loved Al Gore's speech, and I, too, got mad at the above!
They just attack viciously and reflexively. People need to think about whether they want to continue to have Republican political operatives controlling all three branches of government, not just nationwide, but in many localities as well I point this out to my relatives and friends.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 11:42 AM
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35. My response was
that people nowadays aren't used to good oratory. I cited examples such as Abraham Lincoln (who once said that the best preacher, in his opinion, was one who got so worked up during his sermon he looked like he was swatting bees) and T Roosevelt, whose oratory was captured on film. That sort of shut them up.
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 11:14 AM
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5. Even my mom, a RWer, has been embarrassed by Georgie's recent
public appearances. And lemme tellya, if SHE is mentioning it, ALL of them are at least noticing it.

Whether that will translate into RWers voting for Kerry is difficult to say. I think that a bunch of RWers will vote for Kerry, and later express shock and dismay that he won, but will inwardly be relieved.
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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 11:14 AM
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6. I'l bet they're really, really teed off...
...that they've already used the "I have a scream" punchline.

"Dammit...if we'd only KNOWN!"

Hey, they just have a heightened level of sensitivity to President Gore's remarks. They'll get over it.

:toast:
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 11:14 AM
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7. These pundits should NOT be invited on talk shows, anymore.
They know Gore isn't insane. They're liars.

The people on this webapage:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200405280001

should NOT be invited on talk shows.

"The Daily Show" had John Podheretz on to promote a pro-Bush book before John Podheretz wrote "Al Gore is insane."

The next time John Pohdheretz wants to appear on "The Daily Show," they should say NO.
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Selwynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 11:14 AM
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8. They were just really scared and threatened --
the more something really scares you in politics, the more you try to discredit it. :)
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 11:25 AM
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23. Small comfort
They took a man who was by most measures a straight-arrow boy scout, and successfully cast him as a serial liar. And now, the denouement: Look America, Gore's bughouse insane, you dodged a bullet! Just shows that the prime arsenal in Republican politics -- get there with the fustest and the mostest smear jobs -- is as effective as ever.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 11:18 AM
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10. For anyone who hasn't read the Al Gore speech,
For anyone who hasn't read the Al Gore speech, I added margins and italics and boldface to make it easier. Check it out:

http://www.moveleft.com/moveleft_essay_2004_05_31_al_gore_on_bush_and_the_rule_of_law.asp
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 11:18 AM
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11. These people rely on those who haven't seen the speech
Which by far outnumber those who have.
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 11:18 AM
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12. They Hate Al Gore, Why Can't THey Just Say It
We hate him and will never say anything nice about him, no matter how much sense he makes.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 11:20 AM
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17. They know he won the election, so looking at him and
They know he won the election, so looking at him and trying to justify their slimy theft bring out the worst in them.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 11:19 AM
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14. Obviously,they haven't read
Edited on Sat Jun-05-04 11:22 AM by in_cog_ni_to
the "Bushism" books. :eyes: The man can barely speak with note cards, for crying out loud! My favorite repub remark...This came from Paula Zahn the other day :puke: "Al Gore did a Howard Dean impersonation." Damn wench.

Never-mind the warmongering speeches the idiot-in-chief has given. Never-mind how he threatened Al Hunt and Judy Woodruff. Nevermind he has threatened numurous journalists (their names escape me). None of his deranged behavior matters. You're right, the Democrats should start reminding the people of who their idiot-in-chief really is.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 11:19 AM
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15. it worked so well on Dean... (n/t)
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OpSomBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 11:20 AM
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16. Gore is insane...just like MoveOn is a radical communist organization.
I sure do miss the good old days of, "I respectfully disagree with your position."

Now, if you take a dissenting opinion from those in power, you're obviously some kind of lunatic.
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vetwife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 11:23 AM
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19. When the insane become the majority, the sane go to the hospital
Well, we are sane and they the insane deem us as such. Spin like I have never heard !
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Sterling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 11:25 AM
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24. I think since it wqorked within the party to stop 9-11 questions
They have rolled it out on everything now. Fringe conspiracy and radical are all terms for people who tell the truth about them now. We only have ourselves to blame for not calling them on it when it started.
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Sterling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 11:23 AM
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18. Bush looks crazy at first glance. Problem is so do a lot of rednecks
Edited on Sat Jun-05-04 11:23 AM by Sterling
He has that TV evangalist 1000 yard stare. I grew up in Oklahomea where all the church leaders look like him. They are sick bunch that is for sure.

If one cant see through them it might be because they are one of them?
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OpSomBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 11:24 AM
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22. Bush doesn't look crazy to me...just vacant.
It really doesn't seem like there are independent thought processes occurring in his brain.
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Sterling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 11:30 AM
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25. Yes it does look empty but trust me, there are some very ugly things
going on behind those eyes. Its just vacant of any humanity, thats all.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 11:23 AM
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20. The right wing is shrieking and insane.
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 11:24 AM
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21. My President in Exile is insane and I think he's given some really GREAT
speeches over the last couple of years and I'm grateful that he has!!!

I guess this makes me insane, too? Suppose my tent is ready at the re-education camps?
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 11:31 AM
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26. Anyone who is angry is insane
Didn't you get the memo? :eyes:
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 11:33 AM
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28. Interesting, this is how ethnic minorities are always treated...
You are either bad because you are lazy and shiftless, or you are evil because you are a money-grubbing workaholic.

Cary McWilliams in "Factories in the Fields" made this point about immigrant farm laborers. Damned if they do, damned if they don't
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 11:38 AM
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34. If you haven't noticed, the likes of Limbaugh and Coulter have
have been treating liberals like this for years. Any derogative adjective they can fling before the word liberal, even if it isn't true, nor even factual, they will do so to make us into an underclass giving them a sort of bully upperhand. It really points out the underlying bigotry that they harbor and pander to.
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SpaceCatMeetsMars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 01:32 PM
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43. Seems like gay people get that treatment too
If they want to stay single, go to gay bars and do all the things a lot of single (and married) heterosexuals are also secretly doing, they say it's a horrible threat, but if they want to settle down, get married, adopt some kids that need a good home, it's also considered a horrible threat.

Nobody can win with these people unless they are in God's Own Party.
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 11:34 AM
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29. it's a sign of success
The more the corporate RW media whores crow about Gore with terms like "insane" or "madness", the more we are getting to them. If they were truly unconcerned about Gore or his message, they would ignore him and we wouldn't even be discussing this.

We must embrace a form of mental judo here and use our enemy's moves against them. Their weakness is revealed when they protesteth too much about the sanest and strongest among us - of which President Gore in absentia truly is. Orwellian spin is all they have, and that will crumble in the face of history.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 11:36 AM
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31. Hey Big Brother
did you know that I was an "interloper"?

:hi:
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 11:37 AM
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33. yeah!
YOU FREEPER!!!!!!!!!!! :crazy: :nuke:

:hi: Little Sister!
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 11:34 AM
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30. In a world of idiot wingnuts
a thinking liberal must look insane.

It's all a matter of perspective
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 11:36 AM
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32. Massive Projection....
pay attention to what they accuse us of. You will find they are guilty of those very things in spades.
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babzilla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 11:47 AM
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36. the daily howler is on the case
http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh060204.shtml

But mostly last week, as everyone knows, pundits said Al Gore was crazy. “It looks as if Al Gore has gone off his lithium again,” said spooky Fox pseudo-psychiatrist Charles Krauthammer (see THE DAILY HOWLER, 5/28/04). But the phony doctor was really IN when John Podhoretz typed for the New York Post. “It is now clear that Al Gore is insane,” he explained. “I think he needs medication.” Of course, let’s recall something we mentioned last week. Given the Short Attention Span of most pundits, the claim that Gore is “clearly insane” often means that he just spoke too long:

PODHORETZ: Gore’s speech is the single craziest political performance of my lifetime, and I use the word “craziest” advisedly. The speech, at 6,600 words, was twice as long as Bush’s address to the nation on Monday night. The indiscipline shown by the sheer endlessness of Gore’s address is a reflection of the psychic morass in which he has become mired.
To Podhoretz, when Gore had more to say than Bush, it meant that Gore was crazy. But so it has gone for several years when Gore dares to give public speeches.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 12:19 PM
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38. If anyone is insane, look at Bush and his pitiful track record of 3 years
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jean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 12:46 PM
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39. The right wing damaged Gore in 2000 and their efforts are still paying off
Today the Right is hitting 'refresh' and summoning up their destructive crap from 2000 that successfully ruined Gore's stature.

The Republican Noise Machine by David Brock documents the Right labeling Gore a "liar" and "untrustworthy, mentally flawed" after RNC polling showed bush would lose the 2000 election on the issues.

The result, after 18 months of smearing Gore, was (quoting Brock- pg 5):

"According to an ABC exit poll, of personal qualities that mattered most to voters, 24% ranked 'honest/trustworthy' first - - - and they went for Bush over Gore by a margin of 80% to 15%. Seventy four percent of voters said "Gore would say anything" while 58% thought Bush would. Among white, college-educated, male voters, Gore's 'truthfulness' was cited overwhelmingly as a reason NOT to vote for him, far more than any other reason."

If you want to be pissed off all over again, which we really need to be right now, read pages 4-7 in The Republican Noise Machine. I bought it and am now reading how this evil crap started with Nixon. You could easily digest these few intro pages about Gore while standing in the bookstore.

Here are some comments (mine) after reading this section -

The Right accused Gore of saying things he NEVER said - the main one was "I invented the internet."

The Right broadcast this crap incessantly via talk radio, op-ed pieces, Fox News, Christian right wing TV and radio, books and Drudge (who gets millions of hits a day from wingers looking for the daily pablum of smear).

Bill Bennett, David Horowitz, George Will, Stephanopolous and others all chanted "Gore is a Liar!" Later Newt Gingrich admitted Gore never said it, after the damage had been done.

They morphed the 'liar' attack into "Gore is: 'uttering bizarre things, is delusional, has a nervous or mental disorder...' casting doubt on his mental stability. Bob Woodward asked whether Gore 'could comprehend reality' and Tweety said 'Isn't (he) getting to be delusionary?'

Blech. They are exquisitely organized and funded and have turned our media into their personal propaganda tool.


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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 12:59 PM
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40. They should, but they won't
The DNC is so cowed into thinking that they can't counterspin bullshit like that, so they do nothing more than sit on the sidelines, throw their hands in the air, and give up.
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kodi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 01:20 PM
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42. compare to Al Gore, other leaders of the democratic party are pussys
only gore is giving the bush administration the hell it deserves.

where the hell are the other leaders of the democrats? they are hiding, and that means they are a scared, chickenshit lot who do not even deserve our scorn.

we are in the times that try the souls of working men and women.

we are in the times when our precious liberties are being stolen

we are in the times when the stature, economic strength, and and moral power of the US are diminished world-wide.

and where are the leaders of the democratic party strongly making that case?

nowhere.

and please, don't even try to say that john kerry is doing what al gore is to set the record straight.

he's not. he's beating around the bush and not stomping the ever living shit out of it.

there is only one politician who represents my feelings and views of what is going on in America and his name is Al Gore.
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Donating Member (549 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 01:44 PM
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44. Let's bottle whatever Gore and Dean are eating for breakfast
and feed it to every Democrat in the country!

After nearly 4 years of Bush, those that are not angry, passionate, and insanely fired up over the issues are probably incapable of showing passion about anything at all.

"Those who danced were thought to be quite insane by those who could not hear the music..."
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 01:52 PM
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45. 'the reporters dislike Gore because they know he is smarter than they are'
didn't some reporter/pundit say this after 2000?
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