Is this the DU or the Progressive Free Republic. . .

[wndycty]

. . .folks I am absolutely sickened by the behavior of those who are celebrating Reagan's death. In me you have no bigger opponent of Reagan and everything he stood for, however before I am an American, a liberal a Black male I am a decent human being who knows and understands how to pay respect.

The excuse that the Freepers would be doing the exact same thing if Clinton or Carter were to die is absolute B.S. we know they would, but why are we living down to those standards? Its a sad day at DU. . .because today we have lived down to others standards and become the Progressive Free Republic.

Take issue with what I have said here, but this is not about appeasing or being afraid of what the Freepers think this is about setting ourselves apart from their slime, when we bash Reagan on the day that he died (believe me I am biting my tongue like you would not believe)we are no better. Look at who you are, who you think you are and realize that as progressive, hell as decent human beings, we should be better than this. Its not about the Freepers, its about us!

[NMDemDist2]

1. agreed and amen--- we are the GOOD guys remember? let's act like it n/t

[mopaul]

2. i was 30 when reagan stole the election, i'm full of hate

don't know if age has anything to do with it, but i've hated him for half my life now.

[Rowdyboy]

7. I was 26 so I've hated him (proportionately) longer than you

Yet, I'm not dancing or drinking champagne. I refuse to celebrate or glorify any asshole's death. That would seriously demean me and give them real substance.

I refuse to give them that credibility.

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[DemocratSinceBirth]

10. How Did He Steal The Election...

He won two landslides...

Don't confuse him with the simian occupying the White House...

[mopaul]

21. here's how...

his future vice president made a deal with the iranians who were holding our hostages. bush 1 working for reagan, PAID THE IRANIANS to hold the hostages until after reagan was elected to make carter look bad and lose the election. and to make reagan look like superman. i was there, i remember how only moments after reagan 'took' office, the hostages were released. that's how he stole the election. look it up in the history books not written by nazis.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

11. How Did He Steal The Election...

He won two landslides...

Don't confuse him with the simian occupying the White House...

[Adelante]

88. I despised Ronald Reagan

Not to speak ill of the dead and all. But he never stole an election, you're absolutely right.

[AntiCoup2K4]

18. Reagan didn't steal any election.

Poppy "influenced events" in Iran, just as "certain elements within the Democratic Party" influenced the recent primaries. It was a manipulation in both cases, but the votes were legal (as far as we know) -unlike that fucking travesty in Florida.

[mopaul]

23. a matter of opinion i guess

[bicentennial_baby]

3. Yawn....

What is this, high-horse moralizing shame thread #3,465,127??? :boring:

[Liberal Veteran]

4. Having a conscience is nothing to be ashamed of....

I think aspiring to be better than our opposition is a good thing.

[Kipepeo]

20. Maybe it's to counteract

Dancing on his grave thread #3,465,127

Please, I'm in agreement with the original poster of this thread. It makes me sad to read the gleeful comments, and so many of them at that. There is a difference between pointing out what a failure he was and posting something useless about how happy you are that he died.

I get the sense a lot of people are just having angry reactions to what we all know the media is going to do with this: have weepy hour-long specials where he's played up like a saint and someone who sounds like Kiefer Sutherland or maybe Donald will do the voice-overs and at the end there will be a Bush ad that somehow tries to link him to Reagan....

But I think now would be a good time to do constructive things like point out his failures and how a lot of our current problems are his legacy or to push for stem cell research, like another poster suggested and point out how Dubya is so against it and Nancy is for it, etc.

[Forkboy]

38. We would have made a killing on those ladders

:)

[bicentennial_baby]

55. Word to that

I know I shouldn't be surprised, but damn people! :crazy:

[Kipepeo]

60. so if you have sensitivity

Does that mean others are oversensitive?

[kentuck]

5. I agree , wndycty....

well said. It's not about Reagan. It's not about the Freepers. it's about us....

[wndycty]

19. Exactly. . .

. . .its very similar to the Iraqi prison abuse. Who the hell cares how Saddam ran his prisons? Americans are not supposed to behave that way. Who the hell cares what the Freepers think or how the hell they would behave WE ARE BETTER THAN THAT!

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[wndycty]

Look at my profile. . .

. . .I have been here since the start.

[kentuck]

17. wndycty...you haven't been here that long , have you?

:) Just kidding, bro'...

[Rowdyboy]

26. How tacky and trashy,...

Kentuck has been here FAR longer than I and I've been here two years.

You're welcome to express your opinion, but please refrain from disparaging the opinions of your betters.

[boxster]

51. No offense, but "your betters"??!?

I'm sure the now-deleted poster probably deserved a swift kick in the head, but let's not go all elitist on him/her now please!

Just because someone has been here a long time (and no offense to Kentuck - this is a generalization about DU) certainly doesn't mean he/she is "better" than members who haven't been here forever.

[kentuck]

82. I think you are talking about wndycty, Rowdyboy.....

I think of DU as very egalitarian.... but thanks for the kind remarks. :)

[Kahuna]

9. I'm holding back too. But I did contribute to his list of accomplishments.

I think that is fair because I listed the facts about what he "accomplished" while in office. Even the media is doing that. And it isn't all pretty.

[wndycty]

12. There is a difference. . .

. . .between listing his "accomplishments" and acting like a damn fool. You are doing the right thing by holding back. Believe no tears have been shed in my home today. Just shame that some of my brothers and sisters on the DU have no class and worst they accuse those of us who do as worrying about what the Freepers think.

[Kipepeo]

24. Thank You

"There is a difference between listing his "accomplishments" and acting like a damn fool."

Exactly. People are confusing the two on purpose.

[ContinentalOp]

13. That's fine.

You have your moral code and I have mine. That's why it's so fun to be a dirty liberal moral relativist :)

Seriously, maybe I am as bad as them. Maybe I'm no different than a freeper on this one issue. I'm ok with that. Some people here are no different than freepers on policy issues that are much more important to me. It's all good.

[Cleita]

14. Thanks for saying this so eloquently.n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. Unfortunately

some folks on the left are as reactionary as folks on the right just in another direction...

[benburch]

16. My take on this...

Here is my take on it;

A lot of people really hated Reagan's guts for a lot of really valid reasons. Reagan committed crimes against this country and against the people of the world that were never brought to justice during his lifetime.

Many people who did hate him so much are frustrated by the smug gloating of the Right Wingers, and that frustration overmans their mature judgment and good taste when things like this happen, especially when they hear the Beatification of Reagan that his happening in the media right now. They come here to blow off steam in a "friendly" environment.

I am personally not gleeful at his death, which in reality happened quite some time ago when his disease destroyed the last vestiges of his mind.

However, I feel regret that he was not tried for his crimes against humanity, that he was allowed to run up a debt that we have not even begun to repay to this day, and that the history books are likely to paint him as much more than he was.

So, I am not glad that he is dead, I am just sorry that he did not die in jail.

[PaDUer]

22. Raygun and the rest of his

nazi party, * and gang, should ALL be jailed..but, that's because the people turn their cheek and remain silent!

[Zomby Woof]

25. lol

I knew these threads would proliferate soon enough. I love being excoriated by the Liberally Correct on how to be a proper and decent superior-than-thou liberal. I was looking forward to it, actually.

I have not been disappointed. When a human being takes it upon him or herself to tell you just how superior they are to you as a human being, be suspicious. Calling that much attention to your moral superiority just means... you ain't got it. :P

All it really means is that you need your ego massaged and reassured that you are a wonderful person who is perfect and morally upright in so many ways over us rawer sorts not afraid of our emotions and not shy about our darker side. You just want to be told how swell you are for not being "like those others."

So keep telling yourselves you are better people than the rest of us. Your shit stinks like everyone else's. ;-)

[Forkboy]

39. After Will's earlier post

this is the best one of the day.

[kaitykaity]

27. Oh, please. Give me an effing break already.

The FReepers would have their celebrate Clinton
threads, and there wouldn't be a single thread
criticizing the celebration there.

Not a single one. (And THEY are supposed to be the
moral, upstanding ones.)

So your whole premise is utter and total bullshit.

No offense.

[wndycty]

28. Its bullshit?

. . .I think any justification of our actions based upon what the Freepers would do is BULLSHIT!

[Kipepeo]

32. Yes!

It is like the Repubs saying that at least our prison abuse isn't as bad as Sadaam's prison abuse.

I mean, at least our insensitivity and gleeful celebration of this man's death isn't as bad as theirs would be at the death of a president we liked. :eyes: Give me a break. I would hope that we don't measure our own decency by a freeper stick.

[kaitykaity]

35. You are saying we ARE Free Republic.

Albiet a progressive one.

I'm drawing a distinct and clear differentiation as to how
we are NOT LIKE Free Republic at all.

Again, your premise is TOTAL BULLSHIT.

[wndycty]

41. Yup that is what I am saying. . .

. . .tonight we are THE PROGRESSIVE FREE REPUBLIC. Take all the issue you want with what I am saying. . .but a significant number of DUers are acting like FREEPERS, don't believe me? A number of DUers are justifying their behavior by saying the FREEPERS would be doing the same thing if Carter or Clinton died. So not only am I calling us FREEPERS, but some fo the people who are bashing Reagan our basically calling themselves FREEPERS.

[kaitykaity]

46. And you would be wrong, because people like

you don't exist there. People who want to be better
than they are.

Bigger picture, DU is so much better than FR. Say what
you want about the minority of folks who are proudly
acting like FReepers. Others such as yourself aren't
allowing the behavior to go unquestioned.

So I'm right and you're wrong. Some people might be
'acting' like FReepers, but this place is no Free Republic.

[mopaul]

31. golly, what will the freepers say about us here in DU? i'm vaporish

gosh, i guess i'm just an awful hateful crank who is embarrassing us all. jeezus kee reist!

i know how they talk over there, and i'm just as full of hate as them, they don't have the market cornered on hatred.

[wndycty]

33. Again you just don't get it. . .

. . .its not about the FUCKING FREEPERS. Its about us and the standards we aspire to. Any justification of our behavior based upon what the GOD DAMNED FREEPERS would do is PURE AND UDDER BULLSHIT.

[mopaul]

36. no i get it, i just disagree with it. reagan deserves no sympathy

[wndycty]

45. Its not about Reagan. . .

. . .its about us the levels WE are willing to sink to. When we seek to those levels we sacrifice a lot. Just like the Iraqi prisoner abuse, who cares what Saddam would have done, we cannot live down to his standard, and DU should never ever live down to the FREEPER standard, unfortunately a number of DUers are.

[Pithlet]

93. Well

I think that is sort of the point. I think the fact that there are those here who would criticize it tells you how different we are from them. If you feel no remorse over your feelings, and expressing them, that's fine. Believe me, I'm not shedding a tear over the man. But to react to those who feel differently in the manner you just did makes no sense to me. Some people have reservations about speaking ill of the dead. There is nothing wrong with that. To them, it's rather shocking to see it done, and it has nothing to do with how they feel about politics or Reagan. I happen to agree with them; I just find it hard to get all that worked up about it.

[StClone]

29. Paul Wellstone

Reagan had not been fully functioning since the mid-80's. His death is a footnote. He was a great leader because he acted the part not that he really was a great mind or leader.

As a young man Reagan was a Dem put his Alzheimer impairment began early and the Republican simple ideas captured his mind.

Paul Wellstone was a progressive Real Deal and when we memorialized his life the Republicans turned it on us. Reagan's death is a not a tragedy he was 93. It was a waste in the damage he'd done from trickle down to Iran contra and all the welfare queens in between.

Turn the other cheek and die another death.

[lastknowngood]

30. If it's about us then it doesn't matter what we say

if we feel hate toward this former President then whether we say or not we are what we are. Saying only offends those who either have more compassion or want to think they have more compassion. If however you have the thoughts and feelings then your no different from those who express it except they are willing to face themselves.

[BeFree]

34. I object!!

There is hardly anything I've read today that made me cringe... except for the calls of censorship!

Don't take this personally, but isn't your attitude the same attitude that kept slavery alive for so long?

Reagan is dead. The RR era is over. Time to take back America!

[Name removed]

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[Forkboy]

44. lol

You seem awfully hateful to the people who seem to be hateful.

[playahata1]

47. What gives you the right to call someone an idiot for expressing

her/his opinion on Reagan? Especially those who refuse to pretend he was all that as a politician and a human being? The hell with that!

[wndycty]

48. The same right that gives some the right to be an idiot. . .

. . .calling someone an idiot is not censureship. . .you might not understand. If you notice I have never said the anti-Reagan threads should be locked, banned or deleted. I just said they were stupid. So I have plenty of a right to call an idiot an IDIOT!

[BeFree]

53. I won't stoop so low as you

Tempted to call you an idiot, but I won't. Now, who's the better man?

Ya know, ya fell of the train you were riding. Ya fell right past the level ya claimed some of us were at. Seems you have more respect for RR than you do for me. Me? Been for complete civil rights for all people, all the time. Not like the RR you seem to be wanting to protect. Not like that sob at all.
There is a special place in hell for the RR's of this world. It's too late for him. Just let him go.

[wndycty]

56. It aint about Reagan. . .

. . .if you think I posted this thread because I have more respect for Reagan than I do you then you are just plain silly. Put it this way I love myself and DU and more than I hate Reagan. Never once have a protected Reagan and I welcome you to show me where I have. . .its called decency and it has nothing to do with Ronald Reagan.

[BeFree]

64. You called me an idiot, right?

But you get mad at us for calling RR an idiot.

You, sir, are confused. Decent, maybe, but confused. Attack the bad guys and leave us friends alone, eh?

[wndycty]

65. I'm not sure if I called you an idiot. . .

. . .but I did call those who were bashing Reagan on the night of his death idiots. Hey at some point I am going to jump all over the Reagan legacy. . .but tonight. . .not! Again that has nothing to do Reagan, it has to do with my own personal dignity and respect for DU!

[BeFree]

74. Still confused, eh?

Look at post #37, wait, I copied it:


. . .say whatever the FUCK you want to say, but realize on the day like this what we say and how we say it says a lot more about us than Reagan.

No censureship. . .going ahead be an idiot its a free country!


Anyway, you think it's ok to call the living liberals, idiots, but it's not ok to give the dead RR his rightful blasting? You sir, are confused.

[wndycty]

80. Just because someone is a liberal does not mean that they are not an idiot

. . .

[BeFree]

84. Confused and now, twisting. Shamefull.

Didn't think you had fallen that far.

Look here: All is forgiven.

Just admit you were wrong and get with the program. The program that says the RR wingers are the enemy, not us.

We don't need the ankle biting. In a few days all this will have ended, and the hard work of getting rid of the scourge of America goes on. Let us revel in the end of this era. If ya don't want to read about it, don't.

[wndycty]

95. LOL. . .who is ankle biting?

I have fallen? Again laughable. . .go ahead insult me because I am trying to get DUers to be above sinking to level of Freepers. Go right ahead, try to shame me. . .but believe me there is no FUCKING SHAME IN MY GAME!

[NashVegas]

112. Indeed

..

[Kipepeo]

42. what attitude?

The attitude that there is nothing constructive to come from announcing on an internet message board that you're going to drink a toast b/c you're so glad this man died and you hope he's in hell?

The attitude that liberals are more decent caring individuals? OK so sue me but that's what attracted me in this political direction.

What is Reagen being dead for less than a day now done to change this world one bit? How is it different from yesterday and how has it made our quest to take back America more timely? I just think that's a load of crap. Sorry. If anything all of the sappy media stories combined with excerpts from gleeful posters on DU that make us all look like insensitive children are going to give a *boost* to the Repubs, not the other way around.

[BeFree]

57. The world has changed with RR going to ...

I had forgotten just how rotten and corrupt Reagan was, until today. Today I was reminded of that gawd-awful time I lived through.

Today also educated a lot of folks about that time. That's what is good about today on DU.

If not DU, where? If not today, when? Why repress it any further? While I personally haven't blasted away at RR like I could, I have enjoyed reading most of the posts, except for the ones crying about us letting 'er rip!

Reagan is dead. The RR era is over. Time to take back our country!

[salin]

43. free speech for the some... and the rest of you

shut up! Something like that? Free speech = freedom from anyone else speaking in reaction to that speech.

Part of the new PC - all rude speech should be protected. All speech in reaction to rude speech should be stifled because it is so offensive. :eyes:

[BeFree]

61. Shut up?!?!?

You and others are the ones telling some of us to shut up!

You and others are bitching at us as we bitch at the RR era and the man who lead it. There is a huge disconnect here. We are all excercising our right of free speech. Only we are attacking an enemy and you are attacking friends, telling us to shut up and telling us how bad we are.

Where do you get off attacking us?

[Kipepeo]

63. I am not attacking you

I am only hoping to counteract the face I think you are providing for liberals right now. It makes me sad (not his death, but what some people here are saying about his death).

[BeFree]

68. Liberals already are shamed by the right

And we have earned some of that shame by not fighting back and calling a spade a spade.

RR ran his spade right through the heart of liberal America and by God if we want to blast the bastard to hell and back for that, I suggest that if you don't like it then get the hell outta the way.

We've got years and years of hard work to do and we don't need a bunch of ankle biters making it any harder!

[wndycty]

69. Showing no class when Reagan dies. . .

. . .is not fighting back at all.

[Kipepeo]

75. Nobody is arguing

calling a spade a spade. PLEASE DO. It is the useless "yay i'm glad he's dead i want to piss on his grave" posts that bother me.

[BeFree]

87. NEWSFLASH!!

Kipepeo is bothered!!

Not that RR did so many bad, bad things...no.

Wait, why is it you are bothered? Tell us again. I musta' missed it the first time.

[salin]

40. free republic... kill kill kill kill kill .. (from alice's restaurant)

starting to read things moving into that tone... quite startling.

[Deja Q]

49. Well, the freepers did it when Wellstone died... Also,

while I won't celebrate Reagan's death (besides, his policies are sadly alive and well), I refuse to pay respects to a man who allowed AIDS to continue for 6 YEARS after it was first reported. I refuse to pay respects to a man who openly spoke against the 1964 civil rights act. I refuse to pay respects to a man who abandoned the mentally ill... Oh, Reagan goes back a long way...

Well, lots of people have been celebrating his death. Others say "good riddance" and say why. Their reasons are valid and many of them are disturbing.

Obviously I'm not a Christian for I see nothing to celebrate and refuse to love my enemy. They won't change for me and I need to stick up for myself and my own kind. I can't love those who hate me or those who hate others. Reagan hated all sorts of people: Liberals, gays, and blacks - don't forget what the Smoked Gipper said in 1964 about civil rights... He hated lots of people. His own policies are an expression of himself. I can appreciate that as I appreciated Wellstone's expression of his (except the DOMA which he chose to support), it means he was sincere. Unfortunately, that makes Reagan a slimy low-life of a human being. Still, it's impossible to please everybody...

What's left to say. Our world itself is de-evolving and the repukes are the cause of it. Yeah. they're worth loving. NOT.

[Name removed]

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[wndycty]

52. Me? A freeper?

Please, oh please, tell me why I am Freeper. This should be good.

[salin]

58. hehe

missed the post to which you are responding... but the thought of you as freeper, made me chuckle...

[Kipepeo]

54. what is wrong with you?

I am more inclined to believe that if there are any lurking freepers here they are posting as the gleeful dance celebration posters to make us all look like insensitive children.

Edited to add that I don't actually think either of the 2 types of posts are by lurking freepers but that I am saddened at how many of the dancing death celebration types there seem to be. That attitude is no different from a freeper response in my opinion.

[Forkboy]

59. Who thinks you look like "insensitive children"?

[Kipepeo]

62. I think that several people here

Are posting insensitive childish things instead of criticizing him as a President (which we should be doing) and pointing out how his failings contribute to our current problems (which we should be doing). I think that Repubs are going to have afield day with those immature posts and hold them up as an example of all liberals. I don't know what point they serve at all. can you tell me what point they serve? Does it make you feel like you got something off your chest? I don't get it.

[Forkboy]

66. So your problem is that the Repubs will have a field day?

Now,ask yourself if they would be right that it's an example of "all liberals".

I'm guessing your answer is no,correct?

If so,and thier wrong yet again,WHO THE FUCK CARES?

Why do you worry what they say about you? If they hold these posts up as an example of all liberals I'll just hold up the Freepers as an example of all conservatives.

[wndycty]

67. Its not about the Republicans having a field day. . .

. . .its about us acting just as bad as them. Do you remember when Wellstone died? How can we claim the high moral ground when we behave the same way that they do?

[Forkboy]

76. Dont harp on me,I didn't say it

[Kipepeo]

71. No, my problem is that

I am saddened that so many people have nothing better to say and seem so insensitive. Laugh if you want but I came over to this side of the political spectrum because the democratic party cares about people. And I have always been able to tell a difference b/n the kinds of discourse here and on freeperville until today. I don't think we should measure our decency by a freeper stick.

My other problem is that I don't want a few people's childish comments to be held up as an example of liberal response to Regean's passing. We have something better to say than that I think.

The reason I care about that second problem is not because I give a shit what freepers think (they are never going to come out of their bush-lust) but because I think they can influence people in the middle with their bullshit and have the media all talking about how 'lib-ruls are glad Reagan died! Listen to this folks, can you believe this?' etc...

To answer your specific questions No I don't think this is an example of all liberals, otherwise i wouldn't stay in this party.

Can you answer me why it is so important for people to post (what I consider) useless posts about dancing and drinking on his grave? I don't understand their use. I am not being sarcastic. I don't get it, or the in-fighting that is happening.

[Forkboy]

77. Everyone probably has thier own reasons for posting what they do

For me,I am truly glad that he's dead,and I'm not bashful about sharing my opinion.Being compared to Fred Phelps because of that is part of the reason there's this in-fighting.

And posts dont have to serve a point anyway.It's an internet message board,not the UN Assembly.The repubs will always find something to hold up as an example of why us libruls are evil.If the people in the middle are dumb enough to buy it we're screwed anyways :shrug:

I dont think you're a bad person for feeling the way you do,and I dont think others are bad people for feeling the way they do.

[Kipepeo]

81. where i'm coming from

I don't think it's possible to compare anyone to Fred Phelps (!) but I think the people doing that and the people like me who keep asking why we are behaving like freepers toady is because...well in my case I AM saddened that people have posted some of the things they have. It is because I do expect those things from freepers, but not here. Plus, then I got mad that people were calling some of us apologists for Reagan when I have nothing positive to say about the man.

I am absolutely indifferent on Reagan's passing (except worried that the timing of it will give a boost to Bush if Dems don't handle it right) but when I saw all of these posts I couldn't log off b/c there was one after another talking about drinking and dancing on his grave.

I am frustrated that this is taking up so much space on the boards and that we are even giving it so much attention and that we are in-fighting.

I don't think anyone here is a bad person for posting their thoughts either...I think people are just mad about how the media is going to be showing all kinds of sappy things painting him as a Saint when he was horrible. I also think I'll stop responding to these Reagan threads now b/c I am just helping to keep them all over the place, and I've said my piece already.

thanks for answering me.

Edited to add that I do have one positive thing to say about Reagan: He was great in "Dark Victory" with Bette Davis.

[Forkboy]

83. Have a good night Kipepeo

Things will cool down in a bit...at least until someone posts something about Nader ;-)

Peace to you.

[Q]

70. Again...what is this 'us' shit?

- Why can't you and the gaggle of certain other posters ACCEPT the fact that we're individuals...not part of a groupthink that needs to respond a certain way in order to 'appear' acceptable to others?

- I'm frankly tired of the lectures, phony politics and hypocrisy of the 'new' Democratic party and those who profess to be Democrats. The Democrats have become no better than Republicans when it comes to demands to march in lockstep, shut up and 'get over it'.

- Tell you what. Be what you want to be. If YOU want to be 'better than this'...go for it. But stop asking others to abide by your conscience and what YOU think is 'decent'. This is an open board and you don't have the right to tell others how to think or act. Stop the lectures and put threads and posters on ignore that 'offend' you.

[Forkboy]

78. Excellent post!

[smirkymonkey]

94. Thank you!!!

[LoZoccolo]

72. Hear hear!

Unfortunately, I think that a lot of people here are pretty poorly socialized, and that's to be expected on an Internet forum.

[greatauntoftriplets]

105. "Pretty poorly socialized"?

You should join the Chicago DU contingent at our next get-together.

[wndycty]

106. I'll make sure he is there. . .

. . .he joins us every Thursday night for the Patriots For Progress get together at Frankie Z's Clark Bar in Chicago.

[Skittles]

73. I am not celebrating his death

I'm just not mourning it.

[Raskolnik]

79. Absolutely correct.

Couldn't agree more. Now is not the time for people with only hate to offer.

[Supply Side Jesus]

85. Cry me a river

build a bridge, and get the fuck over it.

[NightTrain]

86. You speak the truth, brother!

I hated Ronald Reagan and all he stood for, but I'm willing to let those who disagree with my assessment of the man have their period of mourning. Hell, it's more than those motherfuckers gave us when Paul Wellstone died!

[wndycty]

96. Now that is what I am talking about

:kick:

[Adelante]

89. Well, anyway

:hi: Wndy

[RapidCreek]

90. Yea the same could be said of Jefferson Davis!!

the slaves who took comfort in his death were just as bad as the people who put them in chains, whipped, raped and murdered them!!

No difference at all....nosiree! After all he was just a politician doing what politicians do!

RC

[RapidCreek]

91. Pay Respect? To what?

RC

[Media_Lies_Daily]

92. You're welcome to your opinion...too bad you're not as tolerant of others.

[wndycty]

97. Go ahead. . .

. . .attack me for my original post. . .I am very tolerant of others opinions. I have not asked for deleting, locking, banning anti-Reagan threads, I am very tolerant. But tolerance does not mean watching people make asses of themselves and not saying anything.

[FlaGranny]

103. I agree with your original post

and, unfortunately, some folks revel in making asses of themselves. They demand the right - and the right is theirs and theirs alone.

[sendero]

98. I don't have a problem....

... getting down in the mud if there is something to be gained politically. Trashing a dead man has no political payoff and is nothing more than a cheap tantrum.

Reagan was not a hero of mine. May he rest in peace.

[wndycty]

99. Exactly. . .

. . .getting down in the mud is completely different if there is an upside, however in this instance the DU is just getting down in the mud with nothing to gain. When we do that we hurt ourselves.

[Zech Marquis]

100. great post!!!

I started a similar tread last night, and I was just sickened by how so many DUers were being like the freeps...I did not agree with Reagan on the issues unlike * he was elected, and he had some form of dignity. That's what I'll remember, having been at Andrews AFB for most of his admnistrationwhile in elemntary, middle and first 2 years of high school.

It's the least I can do to show him a little respect...

[wndycty]

101. The funny thing is . . .

. . .those of us who start threads like this are accused of respecting Ronald Reagan more than we do liberals. LOL Thanks for the support Zech.

[mhr]

102. My Disgust For Freeper/Repuglican Policies Knows No Bounds

Policies that rape the land are to be despised,
Policies that diminish the common man are to be despised,
Policies that promote war and death are to be despised,
Policies that economically enslave our citizens and other peoples are to despised,
Policies that promote disease are to be despised,
Policies that pit one social group against another are to be despised.

Ronald Reagan, as president, promoted policies that did all of the above.

For that, any anger directed toward him is well justified.

May Satan have mercy on his soul!

Let us never forget that the Right enshrines This man simply because he was not Carter much like the right enshrines GW because he is not Clinton.

Their motives are foul, very foul.

[durutti]

104. Yeah. Minus the "progressive" part.

n/t

[Walt Starr]

107. There's a word for people who demand the "High Road" in this age

LOSERS!

There's another word if we collectively take the high road now:

DEAD

[wndycty]

108. And what do we gain by bashing Reagan this weekend. . .

. . .hey I am all for bashing Reagan, but I think we need to take the weekend of his death off. What do you have to gain Walt? Tell me my brother why I am loser. . .spell it out man, why am I loser. I mean you are going to back it up arent't you?

[salin]

110. hey look at this

you are a freeper, and a loser according to this thread. Those claiming outrage and claiming this is "censorship" (though no call for officially shutting down discourse has been made) seem not to realize that they too are attempting censorship (according to their own loose definition) via brute, juvenile, attempts at (what... intimidation).

How unproductive. *sigh*

[wndycty]

111. I don't expect the poster to answer. . .

. . .my record speaks for itself. . .if someone can tell me how I am loser for starting this thread I would welcome it.

[salin]

115. I can predict it:

You are trampling on their free speech! Don't you know that, you can't speak only they can... free speech accordingly means... free from any criticism or expression of disagreement to what one says.

:eyes:

[salin]

109. wow

such advanced discourse. Springer would be proud.

[progressivebydesign]

113. Then call me a speed bump on the high road. N/T

[wndycty]

116. Speed bump!

Hey you told me to.

[Speck Tater]

114. In the final analysis we are ALL the bad guys which is why

the human race has little chance to survive in the long run.

[progressivebydesign]

117. wndycty.. I'm right there with you.

I totally agree with your post. Some people (not lurkers, these are long-time active members) are making the DU the equivalent of FR. Nice to know that our right wing counterpart is FR. Tells you something right there.

I guess the only thing that makes me feel better about this disgusting behavior here, is that there is actually a DIALOGUE about it! I mean, if this was FR, there would be little complaint about trashing a former President, and pissing on his grave. Here, at least, there is a sizable group of us against this type of juvenile, tasteless attack on a human. That there is an all out civil war here about it, is a good thing. I know there are many, many more DUers that are simply ignoring this forum right now, because of those types of posts. It's a vocal minority that are making DU look like vicious morans. I have comfort in that, at least.

I contend, for those posting hateful things about the man, that he was above all a loved family member and friend to SOMEONE. When those posters die, I would expect no less than every person in their family and friends who did not agree with them politically, to walk around telling the world how happy they are that THEY died.. and what pigs they are. Love knows no political party.

[devinsgram]

118. I agree somewhat, but

on the issue of respect, one has to show respect to get respect in return. Reagun never showed respect to many Americans out there who needed his help. I for one, will not lose any sleep over his passing.

[wndycty]

119. Well it has nothing to do with the other side. . .

. . .regardless of what everyone on the right does we have a standard that that should not be measured against what those on the right would do.

[scared]

120. I am sick of the people who are sick of the people......

God, I for one am sick of these posts that are so patronizing and condescending to those of us who don't feel the need to weep over his death. Yes, I am very sorry that he suffered, he and his family, but most of the posts that speak of him negatively are relating the many policies that were bankrupt and the atrocities that occurred under his watch.

There will be enough fawning and absolute bullshit about him over at free republic, or any of the news outlets. I, for one, come here to get a dose of reality.

Yes, most of us are not cheering his death, but rather condemning what he did as president.