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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 09:33 AM
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If you were 15 years old or younger in 1980, you have been subjected...
to more than two decades of propaganda to tear down what hard-working Americans, mostly Democrats, had fought for since at least the Great Depression. You cannot be held responsible for all the thoughts that were formed in your minds and formulated in your political life. You accepted much of it as fact, when actually, it was the beginning of the propaganda period, even before the advent of Rush Limbaugh and talk radio.

This modern propaganda period started with the political assassination of Jimmy Carter. Oil prices had shot up, just like today, and no different from today, and prices of other products shot up. It was called inflation. It was not a permanent situation because Jimmy Carter had a plan to stabilize the energy markets - which was the plan Reagan used during the 1980's.

But Reagan and the new "conservatives" intimidated the media and the "liberals". They did not know how to react to their attacks.
The high interest rates, created by the Federal Reserve and Paul Volcker, were used as political bullets against Jimmy Carter and they were successful in their campaign. It was partisan politics like neither the Democrats or Republicans had ever seen before. But it was to the Republicans advantage so they accepted it as good. If the shoe had been on the other foot, no doubt the Democrats would have accepted the political advantage, also. Unfortunately, it was a political advantage that was detrimental to most middle-class and working Americans.

One of the first acts of the new Reagan Administration was to bust the Air Traffic Controllers Union. For those that were 15 years and younger, they did not have a historical reference to what that meant. There was fear at the workplace. People were afraid of leaving their jobs - afraid they may never find another. Just like today, some might say. Yes, but it wasn't always that way. There used to be a freedom in the job markets. If you didn't like your present job, you could always find another. The young generation cannot understand what that meant because they have no historical reference.

Much of the new propaganda period was led by the religious right. Ths was before talk radio, as I noted. People like Pat Robertson and the Rev Jim Baker espoused the new conservative ideology on televison, unlike any other time in our history. Reagan jumped on the bandwagon with his anti-abortion speeches and a new political movement was born. In the process, liberals became evil "baby-killers". That was the type of division spread by the new "conservatives". It worked for them.

Their weakest point was in their economic theories, which are being played once again by George W Bush. Reagan's VP, George Bush Sr was elected over the Democrat, Michael Dukakis in 1988 - one of the first times in our nation's history that a VP had succeeded his president.
The social agenda propaganda continued but the economic crisis of huge deficits faced Bush Sr in the election of 1992 and Bill Clinton, a Democrat, defeated him and the new propaganda period was stalled. However, the youngsters had aged and became full-fledged activists in the new Republican Party. They destroyed Bill Clinton in the media but the Democrats fought back. Clinton was re-elected in 1996 and was later impeached by the partisan Republicans. We all know what happened in 2000.

It is important that young people, now 39 years old and younger, realize what and how history has evolved in propaganda since their youth or since they have been born. Ronald Reagan was the beginning of the divisivness we now see and experience everyday. George W Bush is the progeny of Ronald Reagan - not George and Barbara Bush.
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Bronco69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 09:37 AM
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1. Excellent post!
Thanks. :-)
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Massacure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 09:39 AM
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2. Does negative seven count as being younger than 15 in 1980?
Edited on Sun Jun-06-04 09:39 AM by Massacure
Or is the domain only include positive real numbers?

Sorry, Just finished my advanced algebra homework. :P
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 09:42 AM
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4. Even more so because....
if you were not even born, I could understand if you were all Repubs and born-again conservatives... :)
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LincolnMcGrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 09:40 AM
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3. I'm under 39 and I know the truth
The numbers don't lie


Unemployment
Inflation rate highs
Interest rate Highs
Recession length

All highest under Raygun
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 09:42 AM
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5. Back then Union membership was something like 25%.
Today it is closer to 10%.

Mission accomplished.
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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 09:42 AM
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6. Excellent summary
Edited on Sun Jun-06-04 09:49 AM by RationalRose
I fall into that age group (just turned 40) but thankfully come from a strong union (firefighter) family. I had a grandfather who knew the history of unions inside out and educated my younger siblings and I on the importance of their place in America.

My grandfather is probably rolling in his grave right now. My dad is horrified at the propaganda barrage and the willingness of people of his generation to believe all the BS coming from the RW. He feels bad for the younger generation who are being indoctrinated in school to believe that unions are evil.
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LincolnMcGrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 09:46 AM
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7. <<hug>>
:hug: Great Post
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Tosca Donating Member (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 09:50 AM
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8. Good post, and for you young'uns...

don't believe for one moment that ketchup is a vegetable!
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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 09:51 AM
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9. I was 10 in 1980 so his presidency defined my politics....
I disliked everything about the man.

Most of the time it wasn't anything more prescient than he reminded me of someone's creepy old grandpa.

Some of it was the fact that he beat Jimmy Carter, who my 7 year self wrote a letter to and who sent me one back (yes, I know it was a form letter, but still).

Some of it was the whole religious right thing, although to my eyes that was much more in the background.

Some of it was because of the nuclear war fear at the time.

Either way, the best thing I can say is that he was a better politician than Bush was, and that my dislike of him made me who I am today.
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Psst_Im_Not_Here Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 04:43 PM
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51.  I was also 10 at the time
Reagan also shaped a lot of my politics. My father, a republican, voted for the man while my mother, an independent, showed me what it was to buck "the norm".

I still have a little name badge from 5th grade "elections" that supported Reagan. I take it out every once in awhile and marvel at how far I've come from those naive days. I still remember hearing the grandmother of a friend say that she wasn't going to vote for Ford because he had pardoned a criminal and wondering what that was all about.

Up until my college years, I was under the influence of my fathers politics, blindly believing what my father had taught me to believe, even voting for Bush Sr *gasp*, I know. Then came Bill Clinton, I found myself cheering for him. At first it may have started out as being a rebellion against my father, but, as I expanded my horizons and got involved in college, I learned that it was indeed more than that. The ideals of the "bad" liberals turned out to be exactly how I'd felt about everything from a young age. Actually my mother swears I'm a reincarnated hippie, who OD-ed at Woodstock! LOL

My mother was able to counter my fathers influence with thinking for myself. Not only that she ended up raising 3 liberal kids! I think my father is a republican mostly because his parents were straight ticket democrats. Now I fear my own kids will eventually turn on me and become republicans to fulfill the cycle. LOL Just kidding they're smarter than that.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 09:53 AM
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10. Yes, I used to say that "We never should have let our kids
Edited on Sun Jun-06-04 09:55 AM by Eloriel
grow up under 12 years of Republicans."

I'll not join in the dancing on the grave stuff going on here -- and in fact had to finally sign off early last night. I don't happen to care one way or the other, except that I'm glad he had the good grace to die NOW instead of closer to the Convention or Election.

But I have absolutely nothing positive to say about him or Nancy -- nor much compassion to share for her or his family. Alzheimer's is a horrific disease, it's true. I saw a friend of mine literally age 10 years in 2 trying to take care of her own mother who had Alzheimers. But of all the people in this world whose loved ones suffer from it, Nancy Reagan must surely have had it easiest of all. Plenty of support, plenty of money.

So I'm not dancing, but I'm not mourning either.
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Shopaholic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 09:58 AM
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11. I was 16 in 1980. I remember those horrible, dark days. . .
I lived through 12 years of Reagan & Bush and have now endured another 4 under *. I remember graduating with dual degrees in 1987 in English & Political Science and not being able to get a decent job thanks to these mofos. F'em all .
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indie_voter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 10:14 AM
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15. I was 16 in 1980 too
I wanted to vote for Carter but I was 2 years too young. I often wonder if we would be in energy dependent mess we are in today if Carter had won.

I thought those were dark days (I graduated with an Electrical Engineering degree and struggled to find work). However the past 3.5 years have shown me what rock bottom truly is.


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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 11:21 AM
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33. Re: energy dependence
If Reagan had not eliminated Carters fuel efficiency standards in 1985, the US would have been free of ALL imported oil by 1991.
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buddhamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 09:59 AM
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12. i was eight in `80
a year i would walk a picket line with my Union Rep Mother.
i remember the Reagan yrs vividly.
Sunday's Catholic Mass was especially poignant,
prayers and remembrance for the Brothers and Sisters,
and citizens, who were suffering harshly under Reagan's policies here at home and around the world.

Reagan did more than jump on Robertson and Falwell's bandwagon.
He embraced and promoted their ideology and they became THE Advisers on his Central American Policy Board.

i was young, no doubt
but i remember and will never forget.





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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 10:15 AM
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16. Hey you're not much older than me!
I was 4 in 1980! :hi:
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 04:52 PM
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53. 8?!?! i was 21
didn't know you are such a young'un, buddhamama :D just graduated from college into the reaganomics. the only good thing about the 80's: there were a lot of great gay dance clubs in LA :7
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 10:01 AM
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13. RR made it safe to be a racist in America again.
Without Reagan, would Trent Lott or Strom Thurmond have come to power? Would David Duke have been able run as a mainstream Republican? Would the phrase "welfare queen" been introduced to the national lexicon? Racial profiling? Incessant attacks on largely minority inner-city public schools?

Would the current administrations disdain for all things French be possible without Ronald Reagan?
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 10:16 AM
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17. "...welfare mothers picking up their welfare checks in Cadillacs"
Quite possibly THE most racist statement ever made by a US President, in the SOTU no less (if I am not mistaken). Why not just say they were eating fried chicken and bouncing a basketball and hit the racist tri-fecta?

Calvin Trillin (a HUGE critic of Reagan when no one else seemed to be) wrote a great piece on that statement about how all the old white stuffed shirts must have had an image of the only Cadillacs they ever saw but not the two toned, roof peeling, no hub cap "Cadillac" that would more aptly fit the scene. He also wrote a great article called "The Gipper lives!" mocking Reagan and saying that Notre Dame never really was that successful but that Knute Rockne just waiting for a few months after the season and called reporters in and TOLD them that the Irish had gone undefeated and won the national championship which no one checked out and printed it as fact. I will see if I can find it and post it in Editorials.
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 10:06 AM
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14. the systematic trashing of Carter was vicious, from manipulating the
hostage negotiations, to the attacks on his family...

I lived in DC then, had volunteered for the Carter campaign, and even veteran Democrats were caught off guard....the use of the American hostages to try and humiliate President Carter was unprecedented.

We should have known then that the Republican's success would breed more of the same.

Hard to see it when you're in the midst, sometimes, but the Republican's politics of personal attack became their signature at that point.

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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 10:21 AM
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18. yes,
but it was THE ADULT WHO ACTUALLY LISTENED. children i knew didn't buy it. in my parochial lutheran school in 8th grade, we CHEERED when we heard that RR had been shot. he also lost in our grade school election. carter won. RRs presidency was a hell i hoped wouldn't happen again. and now, georgie has managed to make RR a fond memory of badness.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 10:31 AM
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19. why
can't we just amputate the right wing?
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 10:32 AM
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20. I call those in that generation "Reagan babies" --
who grew up with right-wing conservatism as the norm. (DUers of that age group, and many others, of course, excepted.) Now they dominate media and other important areas of national life. I have hope for young Yers, the next generation.
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AG78 Donating Member (840 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 10:43 AM
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21. I was 2 during the 1980
Edited on Sun Jun-06-04 10:46 AM by AG78
election, so don't remember too much from that exact time. However, I did watch "Family Ties" when I had gotten a little older. I didn't understand the politics of the show, but I did like Alex P. Keaton. Probably because he was young, and so was I. So when I was growing up in those early years, I think I was a Republican who liked Reagan.

All I really learned in school was everything Capitalism good, everything Socialism bad(even though for either to work, it needs the other to an extent). But I doubt to the best of my memory that they ever taught us what they were, besides just the words Capitalism, Communism, and Socialism. Any time that I heard about, or saw on TV, something about unions, it was usually an angry guy yelling. When I was a kid, that turned me off.

My parents weren't particularly political. They voted, but they never ranted and raved about politics. My dad was/is pretty religious. Not in a crazy Falwell/Robertson way, but just the typical praying at the dinner table, asking God for blessing about whatever, going to church every Sunday. My mom not so much.

I didn't follow politics for most of my life. I laughed at the jokes when people would tell them, but I didn't really understand all the details. Then 9/11 happened, and all I do is eat, sleep, and read politics these days.

Now I'm an atheist, who doesn't approve of fascism. And I also know why some of those people were yelling.

And I've been yelling for 3 years now. It won't be enough just for Americans to yell any more. It's global capital, and the whole world needs to get together now to stop this machine. It'll take the chance of being poor and hungry. How else do you fight it? Shoot them? They've got bombs and tanks. If they want to kill you, they'll kill you. Might take a few with you, but then you just become one of them. Violence never gave anyone rights. Except the rich(how else did America get started?). Keep going to the job, and watch as wages fall, and corporations take absolute control(if they're not there already)? Just because you want to try to get by? That's the kind of sacrifice that this machine wants. Which would be none at all. Keep shopping. Keep going here and there. Keep buying this and that. Never stop consuming. Don't worry about outsourcing, or technology taking your job. Just train for the new jobs of the future. They'll all be high paying jobs, and everyone will be rich.

"They Live"...great movie. It's time to stop manufacturing the bubblegum.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 10:46 AM
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22. Perhaps you are one of the few that escaped.....
Because it doesn't have to be that way.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 10:49 AM
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23. I was 14 in '80
Reagan so disgusted me from the start that he instantly clarified for me what my political outlook would be. A staunch liberal was born.

Yes, Reagan was an evil old bastard and his being dead doesn't change that one whit.
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stavka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 01:53 PM
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41. I was twelve
...but I remember all that.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 01:55 PM
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42. That is encouraging....
Edited on Sun Jun-06-04 01:56 PM by kentuck
Maybe we didn't lose as many young'uns as we thought... :)

By the way, Welcome stavka!
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BlackVelvetElvis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 04:04 PM
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49. I was 14 too.
I wasn't sucked in because of my staunchly democrat, pro-labor parents who disliked Reagan with a passion. I'll never forget my dad's anger at Reagan for firing the air traffic controllers. My father was a union president at one time and watched the weakening of the working class since that event with disgust.
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takebackourjobs Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 10:54 AM
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24. Amen, Kentuck
Thanks for your post. Many born BEFORE 1980 also need to be warned as they have fallen into the trap of believing that the republican party represents their interests. For instance, all those mid-level executives and professionals that thought lower federal taxes sounded like a fantastic innovative idea. You know, the ones who are screaming about no child left behind, and higher local property and sales taxes?

The first economic policies of the domestic Nazis targeted the unions. Then it occurred to them that they didn't have to worry about unions in Asia and Latin America.

IMO gwb is not the child of any human being, but a creation of trickle-down economic theory bred with contempt for humanity.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 10:59 AM
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26. Welcome tbyj !
You are correct that many born before 1980 have fallen into the trap also....
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 10:58 AM
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25. I was seventeen and started my first year of college in 1980.
I had love Jimmy Carter and recall initially feeling ambivalent about Reagan. I really had no "knowlegeable" clue about what was really happening until several years later. I only know that I felt incredibly lost during the Reagan years. I saw so much suffering and hopelessness and fear.

I remember people, intelligent/educated people, telling me that this is the beginning of the end of America as we know it which seemed so doomsday to me at that time because I was still being pulled by the "American Dream" syndrome. Yet, I witnessed first-hand so many good people being thrown away.

Today, I revisit that tormenting period except that it is far worse.

The Bush Regime hasn't merely carried Reagan's corporatist torch, they have broadly expanded corporatism. As much sadness and loss as Reagan delivered to the greater body of humanity,...the Bush Regime is a reign of terror,...because IT delivers fear and destruction for profit. Where Reagan may be characterized as a "false prophet" in Revelations, Bush surely serves as an anti-christ, metaphorically speaking (of course).
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 11:02 AM
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28. And at the same time, Reagan was telling us about morning in America
Smiling and waving, as the corporate media propped him up with titles like the Great Communicator, etc....
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 11:08 AM
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30. Oh, but he WAS a great orator,...
,...and he DID summon up the will and passion of the American people to serve a corporatist, trickle-down, agenda. He successfully got the ball of deception and betrayal rolling.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 11:39 AM
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36. BTW,...thanks for the post. I've printed it out for my 14 yr old son,...
,...to read. It is a summation I want him to have,...although he is "recalcitrating" against all adults (me included) right now. He is very "fourteen" *LOL*!!!
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 11:46 AM
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37. Just tell him it's important to cut thru the bullshit...
and thanks! :)
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 11:53 AM
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39. *LOL* Believe you me, he has the bs pegged better than most adults.
Being the son of a single mom with a JD is a double-edged sword, I imagine. His skill in discerning bs makes life rather difficult for him, right now. I am concentrating on teaching "survival skills" by asking him to discern what battles are worth fighting and just,...loving him through his own struggle.
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blackmoonlillith Donating Member (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 10:59 AM
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27. This sounds like the beginnings of a book...
If you don't jump on it, I will. :-)
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 11:04 AM
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29. While I was only 12 in 80' I recognise the effect of Reagan.
Then again I was already damning Somoza and cursing Pinochet at the age of 12...
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 11:14 AM
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31. So true -- It's easy to recall when the world changed
Edited on Sun Jun-06-04 11:16 AM by Armstead
What is kinda frustratinbg to many older libbies (like my 52 year old self) today is seeing how many of what used to be basic non-political assumptions have been tossed out the window in the last 30 years.

It wasn't a perfect world -- not by a longshot. There was a lot of inequality and all the rest. But the baseline level of common decency and standards does seem to have been plummeted so far down over the last 30 years. It's sad that to accept what used to be mainstream is today considered radical and "too liberal."

It's like I seer raising the minimum wage to keep up with the cost of living as a no-brainer. Most businesses didn't whine about the minimum wage when I was growing up. They may not have liked it, but it was assumed that if you worked full time, you had at least a right to pay your basic living costs.

Globalization in its present form would have been considered shocking 30 years ago. The idea of stripping away working class jobs so peopel have to compete with sweatshops that pay $5 a day would have been inconceivable.

It was also assumed that many things were done because they were right, not because they had to satisfy "the markets."

I hate to sound like an old fart talking about the good old days, but Kentuck is absolutely right on target. Anyone growing up in the last 30 years has been subjected to a level of standards and common decency that is far below what they used to be.



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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 11:23 AM
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34. Armstead, you are right on...
Edited on Sun Jun-06-04 11:36 AM by kentuck
But the sad part is that many in that age group and younger cannot know what they have never experienced. To them, that is the reality. That is the way it is supposed to be. You can see it in the attitudes of young people going into the work force. If I suck up, I can get ahead. I can be successful like a good honest Republican. Isn't that the way it's supposed to be done?
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Waverley_Hills_Hiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 11:33 AM
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35. very good post.
What is kinda frustratinbg to many older libbies (like my 52 year old self) today is seeing how many of what used to be basic non-political assumptions have been tossed out the window in the last 30 years.

Well, I will turn 45 this week, so maybe not that old, but I do agree with you....how so much of what we used to take for granted, that there was a consensus around, has been junked.

Reagan does symbolize the first big political victory of the dark side....much more so than Nixon, I think.
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takebackourjobs Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 11:51 AM
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38. not only the level of decency
the general dumbing down of the population has contributed mightily. Listen to the chimp, or any other populist conservative. They are not espousing any deep thoughts or propagating any profound ideals. This level of political conversation drags the democratic message down with it, just by the weight of its stupidity. I hate to say anything too kind about a conservative, but at least Reagan could put two sentences together before his health failed.

I'm old enough to remember when a public speech was an occasion to convey deep thoughts and ideals. All we get today are appeals to the public to abandon higher ideals in the name of patriotism.
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 11:57 AM
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40. Interesting isn't it? "Big Thoughts" have been crushed under the weight
of the 15 second attention span.

I think that I'd probably pass out if I saw one of the talking heads express a deep thought on Economic Democracy, Equity & Equality, Social Organisation or Political Economy...
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 05:34 PM
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56.  Another old liberal here (turned 54 today!)
It didn't take long after Reagan got in to notice the pop culture turning distinctly meaner and stupider. For the first time I began to see pointlessly hostile bumperstickers and T-shirts that would have been considered pure asshole material just a few years before (e.g. "Yes, as a matter of fact, I do own the whole damn road" or "Kill 'em all, let God sort 'em out.")

Federal financial aid for college students was drastically reduceed--except for ROTC scholarships. Within a couple of years, I could see the effects in the classes I taught at a large state university: fledgling freepers who campaigned for Reagan in 1984, wore buttons with rightwing slogans, left Chick tracts in their exam papers, and, in one case, wore a T-shirt that said "fuck Communists" in Russian and Chinese.

We had a president who told everyone that the poor were coming to free meal programs just because the food was so good. (Rrright, as if I'm going to eat wieners, canned vegetables, and day-old Wonder Bread and fill my coffee with three or four sugars--a sign of malnutrition--if I have better stuff at home.)
And a lot of people believed him.

I am NOT mourning Ronald Reagan today, and while I won't participate in the slamming of a dead person, I will be turning my TV on today ONLY to watch the finale of The Sopranos.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 11:16 AM
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32. Good Post. the Pub s started to invest heavily into brainwashing
about 25 to 30 years ago and now, its gone wild. Over the Top. Result: 30% or more brain washed people out there convinced they are not. Scarey but So true.
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Tomee450 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 02:06 PM
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43. Thank You
for this post. You have explained the Reagan era very well.
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troublemaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 02:17 PM
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44. Shameless PIGGYBACK
A similar post on generational differences in perception of Reagan:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1732683
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NightTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 02:20 PM
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45. Though I was 14 in 1980, even then I knew not to buy into the Reagan Lie.
My dad was a Teamster who, despite being consevrative on pretty much every other issue, hated Republicans with every fiber of his being. I remember him saying both in 1980 and '84, "Any union member who votes for that fuckin' Reagan is a goddamned idiot."

As such, I was lucky enough NOT to have bought into the Reagan Lie during my youth. But that still doesn't excuse the vile behavior of those so-called "liberals" and "progressives" who want to throw a party to celebrate the man's death.
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 02:21 PM
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46. The "L" word.
Reagan popularized the notion that Liberalism was so bad that the word itself should not be uttered in public. The beginning of Ann Coulter.
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 04:56 PM
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54. Incidentally,
the Nazis used similar tactics against the Jews to try to delegitimize/marginalize/eliminate them from the culture.
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 02:58 PM
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47. Excellent post
The Reagan years were a nightmare from which we have yet to recover. The younger members of this board whose political perceptions were formed post-1980 have a hard time understanding how much was lost.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 03:59 PM
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48. kick for an excellent post
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playahata1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 04:08 PM
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50. I was 13 in 1980.
I came of age during that horrible eight years that followed. I saw and experienced firsthand the damage that man did: my grandfather's losing his job, crack flowing freely through my neighborhood, Reagan's lack of respect for black people and others who did not fit his definition of "American," ad nauseam.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 04:46 PM
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52. I was aware.. my dad
freaked out over Reagan taking credit for getting the hostages released, hated his trickle-down economics, and his stand on unions, etc, etc, etc.

Believe me. Though I was a young grade-schooler, I wasn't soaking up the propaganda.
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newsguyatl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 05:02 PM
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55. as usual, kentuck, great post.
i was only 3 in 1980, so i appreciate the context you've provided.
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