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AndyHammond1970 Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 02:47 PM
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Do you think Robert Reich Will hold a cabinet position ....
in the Kerry White house? Or maybe head of his economic advisers?
This dude is sharp as a tack! Love to hear him NPR.


AH

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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 02:50 PM
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1. only if it's not too high off the ground
he won't be able to grab the position, much less hold it
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KT2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 02:53 PM
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2. Hope not
As I recall he took shots at Clinton when he served in that administration.
New cabinet "must work well with others."
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dumpster_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 04:55 PM
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3. Reich should be tried for treason
Edited on Sun Jun-06-04 04:59 PM by dumpster_baby
from http://www.cio.com/archive/092203/reich.html

Robert Reich says the government should not try to block efforts by American companies to outsource jobs offshore. They are outsourcing IT jobs just like they did advanced manufacturing! Are we going to let them get away with it AGAIN?

Some excerpts from the article:

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"Even as they ship out "commodity" IT work overseas—including software maintenance and support, and even infrastructure support—the best companies are simultaneously shifting their in-house IT employees to more innovative, higher value-added functions, such as invention, integration, key R&D and basic architecture. Companies need to continuously nurture these core creative activities, which are at the heart of their competitive futures."
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Oh, really? So most of the IT jobs here are high level jobs, huh? Hey, Reich, news flash for you-->those kinds of jobs are not given to INexperienced people, college grads etc., but to very experienced people. And of course Reich wants to ship all those entry level "commodity" IT jobs overseas. Hello!? And what happens 10 years from now, when after all the experienced people are now OVERSEAS??? Reich and his fellow neoliberal "free traitors" have sold yet another American industry overseas (see more on that below).


Reich goes on:

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All this means that, despite the long-term trend toward outsourcing IT jobs, there will continue to be plenty of IT work in the United States in years to come.
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Bullsh*t!

Also:


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The U.S. government should not try to protect or preserve IT jobs in America, or block efforts by American companies to outsource. That would only put American companies at a competitive disadvantage. Their rivals in other advanced economies would continue to have access to low-cost IT services from developing nations.
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WHo CARES what position it puts American companies in? America is not supposed to be operated for the benefit of COMPANIES, but for the benefit of its CITIZENS!

Let's take a look at what Reich and his fellow free traitors did to our high tech manufacturing over the last few decades:

From http://www.pushhamburger.com/edge.htm


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Economic commentator Eamonn Fingleton speaks bluntly about what he sees as the frittering away of the United States' manufacturing base and what he regards as the consequent stagnation of the American standard of living. ....Fingleton, who distinguishes between high-end and low-end jobs, insists that the former, advanced manufacturing, must be reconstituted if the United States wants to remain a superpower. And what are these eroded industries? Semiconductor materials, ceramic packaging for semiconductors, charge-coupled devices (CCD), industrial robotics, numerically controlled machine tools, laser diodes and carbon fibers, to name only a few.
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Where did the manufacturing of these items go? In most cases, Japan now dominates the more advanced areas of these industries, says Fingleton, who lives in Tokyo. Moreover, he argues, by dint of superior know-how and large capital investments Japan now enjoys a global lock on key manufacturing processes. It is not true that Japan is in dire economic straits, Fingleton maintains. In a recent article in the London journal Prospect entitled "Japan's Fake Funk," he writes: "The Western consensus is that Japan is a basket case: It is not. That is a misreading by the West."

Eamonn Fingleton: I mean those engaged in advanced manufacturing. Specifically, industries that are both highly capital intensive and highly know-how intensive. They typically are many orders of magnitude more capital-intensive and know-how intensive than the most advanced of "New Economy" services, such as computer software developed in the last three decades. The sad truth is that advanced manufacturing accounts for only a very small part of the total U.S. economy and much of it merely is customizing equipment for the needs of the American market. Final assembly of manufactured products often is carried out in the United States and, to the extent that it is the sort of manufacturing that requires close proximity to customers, it likely will stay in the United States.
....
Americans lost many ... jobs indeed. But there was also the myth known as the "New Economy," which for 20 years had been growing in fashion. ...I was working then at Forbes magazine in New York and I recall how struck I was by the large number of sophisticated people I met who exclaimed that "the future is in services! Manufacturing is a commodity business! We need to get out of it!" Indeed, America did get out of it. Having allowed its manufacturing base to disappear, the U.S. now is in possession of almost an entirely service-based economy - beating all standards of economic history. The manufacturing sector exports, on average, 11 times more, based on per unit of output, than do service industries. Herein lies the problem: The United States no longer produces the goods to pay for its imports. You have to fund the gap.



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We need to wake up and try Reich and the rest of the free traitors for treason for "commoditizing" our job base, all just so multinational companies can increase their profits. Is anyone out there understanding what I am saying, or is you all hip-mo-tized by the teevee?


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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 04:57 PM
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4. He's a kiss-and-tell kind of guy. nt
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 05:27 PM
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5. I certainly hope so. He may be the smartest Dem in the country.
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dumpster_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 07:04 PM
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6. smart enough to sell us out to the corpo-kleptocracy
I guess a lot of people just stay loyal to the top of the social hierarchy without ever thinking about it in anything other than a superficial way.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 07:57 PM
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7. I'm not aware the Dr. Reich commited such a deed.
Please enlighten me.
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dumpster_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 08:28 PM
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9. did you read my post above in this thread?
So many posts here at DU are nothing but fluff. Heavens forfend that someone should actually post something substantive. And when I do, no one seems to read them....
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 09:49 AM
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10. Yes, I read your post.
But, failed to see how his comments about offshore jobs made him a traitor to the U.S. He stated his opinion, that's not treasonable. Not having seen the entire piece by him, it's not clear to me the full sense of where he was going with the comment. Personally, I'm not in favor of off-shoring. However, I don't see much that the government can our could do to stop it.

During the Clinton administration, Reich seemed to be a very competent Sec. of Labor who consistently sided with the workers rather than management.

I hope that my comments aren't too "fluffy" for you. I'm afraid that having to work for a living as an IT specialist doesn't leave me enough time to also be a world class scholar of political science.



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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 07:58 PM
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8. I hope not. Too economically right-wing
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dumpster_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 06:10 PM
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11. both the democrats and republicans are RightWing
Kerry don't look too much better. But maybe there is a glimmer of hope. For example, Kerry's plan to lower insurance costs being having the govt cover 75% of all medical costs over 50K in each year, that would be a step forward.
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