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newsguyatl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 09:35 PM
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WOW: ABC NEWS reports missile story STAGED
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molly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 09:36 PM
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1. Are we surprised?
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newsguyatl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 09:39 PM
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2. THAT
the news networks are starting to report this, yes, it's a surprise...

i'm hoping this will be the top story tomorrow.
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Zero Gravitas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 09:42 PM
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6. Surprised
It was on ABC network evening news also.

I'm surprised to see it anywhere in the corporate media, the rest of the whores are just repeating the Administration spin.
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jmags Donating Member (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 09:46 PM
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11. I'll be honest...I am.
After reading about the missile plot and then seeing the many responses on DU that this whole thing was staged, I was a little annoyed at how quickly some people become conspiracy theorists here. Unfortunately for the country, it's becoming more and more obvious to me that they are entirely justified in doing so.
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 08:01 AM
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32. Ha! Who's the whackjob now?
:) I kid, of course. DU is remarkably tolerant to those of us who sometimes have our tinfoil hats screwed on too tight.

But, I'm afraid, there's going to have to be a Robb's Third Rule: "Begin by assuming this administration and its media are lying."

quick refresher:

Robb's Second Rule: "Begin by assuming most people are idiots."

Robb's First Rule: "Ain't nothing so good, a little bacon won't make it better."
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 08:07 AM
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33. Ah...up steps the 'conspiracy theorist' debunkers...
- It's funny that when any group of free people start specutlating about what's really going on in their government...someone shows up to remind them that they shouldn't 'theorize' or extrapolate from the available information.

-
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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 09:40 PM
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3. Taking bets for how many people won't hear this...
It's great to make a big pronouncement like

MISSILE! NEWARK NEW JERSEY!

and then quietly follow that with

*actually, we're just kidding*

The first, louder news is what sticks in the head unless there is equal coverage of the second news.

It'll be interesting to see how this goes.
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newsguyatl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 09:42 PM
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7. well i'll
certainly do what i can tomorrow to make sure this gets attention on air!

what an outrage
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 09:40 PM
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4. That's gonna be a big part of Nightline tonight.
Brian Ross will report on the charade. Ted will anchor. I'm not gonna miss this.
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newsguyatl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 09:46 PM
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12. abc news
Edited on Wed Aug-13-03 09:46 PM by newsguyatl
has been standout (comparably speaking) for the last month or so...

they just beat nbc in the ratings, too... that's a first...


cbsnews online has been good too...



KUDOS to abc!
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 09:42 PM
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5. So what hit ABC tonight?
Reports on wounded soldiers, a report on global warming, and now this??
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alaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 09:44 PM
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9. They're trying something new.
Reporting the actual news.

Ratings are in the toilet and they are getting desperate.
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whathappened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 09:43 PM
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8. i said this when it was first veiwed
it was just a front to change the subject about what old goof ass is not doing and why he should be doing what is right for our country , well hiding in his rancho and eating like a king , his boys behind the screen are throwing out little tibits to keep the heat off old jr.s ass
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 09:46 PM
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10. it's like their tryin to give the 'TERRORIST' a HINT?
:crazy:

the smartest thing the terrorist could do right now is nothing and THAT will be this evil admins down fall... cause you see, even if they completely stop 'TERRORISM' and 'WIN' they lose cause everybodies looking at THEM and they CAN NOT stand up to SCRUTINY!

goodbye POINDEXTER ;->

peace
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newsguyatl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 09:47 PM
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13. is this the next big scandal?
god, i hope so...


they're some brazen motherfuckers aren't they?


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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 09:49 PM
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14. yep...
and we all know that this is small potatoes for this evil cabal.

google LIHOP

:hi:

peace
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 09:58 PM
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15. Northrop Grumman sells anti-missile systems for aircraft.
Guess who owns them.

That's right, it's the Carlyle group.

Boy, it looks like this is really backfiring on the Bushies.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=Carlyle+Group+Northrop+&btnG=Google+Search

Searched the web for Carlyle Group Northrop .  Results 1 - 10 of about 1,920. Search took 0.16 seconds.

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... Goodrich TRW Aeronautical Systems TRW 1500 2002 Boeing Hughes Space and General Motors
3 750 2000 Communications activities Carlyle Group Northrop Grumman ISA ...
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TRW Inc.
... Mar 03, 2003, Northrop Grumman Completes Sale of TRW Automotive Business to the
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Carlyle Group among TRW bidders - 2002-08-27 - Dayton Business ...
... Group and Carlyle Group for about $5 billion could be completed by week's end. Cleveland-based
TRW is in the midst of a takeover by defense contractor Northrop ...
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... 2000 -- Northrop Grumman Corporation (NYSE: NOC) announced today that it has completed
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Zorro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 10:07 PM
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18. I humbly disagree
Northrop Grumman is a publicly traded company. Carlyle may have bought one of the businesses during Northrop's acquisition of TRW, but that's about it; they may also have some shares of the parent, but they certainly don't "own" Northrop.

And IMHO anti-missile systems for commercial aircraft might not be a bad idea.
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 10:25 PM
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20. Carlyle Group bought into Northrop Grumman's Commercial Aerostructures bus
The Carlyle Group bought into Northrop Grumman's Commercial Aerostructures business (now called Integrated Systems Sector) in May of 2000.
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 11:03 PM
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23. but in this case, there is no "there" there
And beefing up security won't solve the problem.
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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 10:08 PM
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19. things that make you go hmmmmmmm......
so, was money the root cause of the setup or just a side benefit for their media distraction?
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 09:58 PM
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16. the mouse must be losing
money ..disneyworld in france is closing,the economy,esp the people who are now getting axed prob aren`t booking trips to disneyland anymore..maybe the guys see that this economy is never going to get better untill bush is defeated...or maybe they have decided to do their job and report the truth...
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 10:03 PM
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17. This one was for Tony
The inquiry into David Kelley's death started yesterday and there already has been some very damning testimony. Time to wag the dog.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 11:05 PM
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24. Agree! It was for Tony. I watched BBC tonight about Hutton Inquiry....and
said....this looks like Bush needs to cover Tony's butt, soon. And, I knew why the story about the missles and the British halting flights into Rihayd was big news. They've gotta keep those Terrorist Alerts and hype fear into both US and GB. They will go down together before they go down alone. They are like conjoined twins Blair/Bush.

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Imajika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 11:44 PM
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26. Huh?
I just go through reading the Gaurdian and my take on it is that things are going very badly for the BBC, and surprising well for Tony Blair.

Infact, here is a link of some of the most recent action:

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/kelly/story/0,13747,1018241,00.html

Why would Bush need to cover for Blair now? Perhaps he will at some point, but the Hutton inquiry does not seem to be going to well for the BBC at this time.

Imajika
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TeeYiYi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 10:50 PM
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21. WTF ? ...... n/t
TYY :wtf:
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 11:02 PM
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22. HOLY cow!
And now they're saying it was a new terrorist threat? CAN ANYBODY SAY ANYTHING?!?!
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hexola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 11:17 PM
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25. And the next day the Pan Am Flight 103 story plays out...
no coincidence...I think...

Intended effect:

"Boy...Bush is really making sure that never happens again"
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Ein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 12:08 AM
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27. lol
"I would have hoped the United States is thwarting real terrorism and not something manufactured because here all they're doing is stopping something they created," said Lefcourt.

If only he knew the relevance.
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 12:43 AM
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28. Oh, Haaaaa, HAAAAA, Haaaaa
Edited on Thu Aug-14-03 12:45 AM by 9215
"I would have hoped the United States is thwarting real terrorism and not something manufactured because here all they're doing is stopping something they created," said Lefcourt.

Government officials said the case will show that Lakhani went along with the scheme willingly and was not entrapped. But the question remains whether any of this would have happened if the government had not set it up.



"Stopping something they created"????????Ohhhhh, sheeeeet. Sometimes U gotta just laugh!! Is you learnin' yet?

Next ?:
Is it OK to stage these kind of stings if national security (read: Bush approval ratings) are at stake??

Ha, HA, HA.......!!
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 04:16 AM
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29. kick this
and I'll take my alcohol laden ass to bed

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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 07:13 AM
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30. People who know me are
now beginning to understand why I don't believe a thing our regime says anymore.
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 07:45 AM
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31. I stand corrected--
next time I will remember to put on my tinfoil hat in the morning

:)
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 09:26 AM
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34. Kick -
Where are Ken STARR's crew, sounds like THEY were doing the set-up.
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InkAddict Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 10:29 AM
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35. This needs to be kicked
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