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vetwife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 01:17 PM
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Be willing to go to jail, be determined to be nonviolent but be willing !
Edited on Mon Jun-07-04 01:41 PM by vetwife
As this country becomes more and more polarized. It is becoming more and more evident that We the people are standing where people such as Martin Luther King, Jr. has stood. We are standing where Ghandi has stood. We are standing in the midst of a cultural crisis.

What we have learned from the past is that violence begats violence. At the end of the day, it come down to the negotiating table. The left must put aside its anger long enough to keep their eye on the prize of reclaiming their country.

Anger outwardly will not work, but determination clearly shown. We must be willing to take a stand and remain standing to let our voices reach across Corporate greed and fascism, along with racism that has taken on a new meaning. The culture hatred is much more complex than black and white. To think that statement is even possible. But it is. The people who hate for the sake of hating, hate the liberals because not of our skin color as much as our demands for a fair playing field. Today we face intolerance of religions, not only from the right but from the left as well. We face hatred for those who have their sexual orientation that does not embrace others own idealogy. We face the affluent against the poverty stricken. It is my opinion that people hate what not only do they not understand but a reflection of themselves. Those who hate the poor, are afraid of becoming poor or remember when they were. Those who hate different races are afraid or know there may be some interracial blood ties in themselves and fear the truth of other people knowing. Those who hate religions other than either non belief or a different belief are not comfortable with their own right of non belief or afraid of being dominated by a certain idealog. They are afraid of their own ideas of what they deem right and wrong.

To make a difference in this country, this nation of We the People must take a stand and be WILLING to stand for justice for all. We need to quit interfereing in other cultures and forcing our way of life on a global scale. We need to reach out to the poor, the hungry, the imprisoned and free the people from opression of a country that is becoming more and more militarized as we pay the price for a few wealthy for the opression of many. The time has come to Take America Back. For all the People. To have truth shine as a beacon of light and to become a great nation of hope instead of a nation of fear and depravity. We need to stand unified and be willing to be non violent and reclaim this country that can be great and equal, If we are willing. Are you?



Amanda Kato
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Thoth Donating Member (256 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 01:27 PM
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1. Well said Amanda!
Yes, I hope I am brave enough when the time comes to put my body on the line - non-violently - for the highest standards of
our democratic-republic and the good of all humanity. The time may not be that long coming, this November, perhaps!?
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vetwife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 01:29 PM
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2. My thoughts ! I was watching MLK. documentary..Oh to have a
person such as this to lead again. This time it would be people of all color and cultural ways of life. We need such a leader today !
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vetwife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 02:10 PM
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3. Fee free to use this at any meetups !
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 02:14 PM
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4. Absolutely. Nonviolence first. But are you familiar with Ghandhi's quote
about South Africa.

(this is a paraphrase and far from perfectly quoted)

"Nonviolence only worked because we used it on the British, who were decent. If we had tried the same thing in S. Africa, they would have just run us over in their tanks and moved on."

Which is an apt metaphor for Imperial Amerika.

What if the Bushevik Tools just run us over with their tanks (metaphorically speaking, the Bushevik marketing Department would NEVER allow themselves to so closely resemble the Totalitarianism they wish to bring back) ?

What then?
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vetwife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 02:41 PM
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5. I wish I knew....but I would hope we are more civil than the opposition
Edited on Mon Jun-07-04 02:43 PM by vetwife
As John Lennon said, "all we are saying, is give Peace a Chance"
I wonder if we shall see anothr Flower Power Boom....I rather see that than a KaBoom !

I was familiar with the saying and so glad things did turn around.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 03:04 PM
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7. I agree. But can you negotiate with Nazis?
Can you get them to see "your side"?

Can you stop them from beating you if a group of them gets started?

Maybe things WILL turn around, but the Busheviks are MUCH closer to being Nazis than they are to being 1947 British (for all their faults and flaws).

What will YOU do when the Emperor Jeb Bush Brigade of the Nationalized Neighborhood Watch wants to "have a talk" with you at 2am in a decade or two?

I hope things turn around, too. I just don't believe the evidence supports any such conclusion.
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 07:57 PM
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11. What then?
suicide-bomber vests are better than sent to rape-prisons.
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Az-K9 Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 02:56 PM
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6. WILLING to stand for justice for all?
We need to quit interfereing in other cultures and forcing our way of life on a global scale?

So, we should stand by and watch, as others kill?





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vetwife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 06:14 PM
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8. We should let soverign nations ask for help...we shoud not
Edited on Mon Jun-07-04 06:20 PM by vetwife
be trying to shove our beliefs or some beliefs on some cultures.
We need to clean up our own backyard before we try to sweep the neighbor's yard. I believe that we should fight the Aids crisis and world hunger but first the militarization has got to stop. Nobody in Iraq asked to be bombed and how can one rebuild if we continue fighting?

As far as the Nazi's. Well ..we cannot outgun the Military. They have stopped the protestors cold at the G-8 summit. So what do we do but try to unite peaceably. The orders were shoot to kill at the Summitt. They will outman and outgun us if we try to oppose violence with violence. I don't have the answer there but I know MLK and those who achieved took a lot with hoses, dogs, beatings and eventually death. Am I willing ? Peacefully?
the spirit is willing but I am only flesh and bone and I don't know what I would actually do. After watching that documentary today and seeing similiar ones for years and years, today for some reason I had a new chill go up my spine at what all MLK endured for peace regarding civil rights. My husband was with the 101st in Vietnam and let me tell you he still has nightmares about the violence he performed over there and I have never met a more passive person today who wants nothing to do with destruction. He has certainly paid with his emotions and sanity and happiness for what happened with him over 30 years ago. The guilt is so consuming. He says many times, some things are worse than dying. Like living with the horror of pain or death at one's on hand on an order.
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Thoth Donating Member (256 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 07:42 PM
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9. Good points and a big kick to an important topic... n/t
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 07:52 PM
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10. Beautifully spoken. You are inspiring.
I've been feeling a depth of powerlessness I never believed was within me.

I never believed I could ever be knocked down to the point that I could not get back up. Yet, I have been experiencing a,...a,...void or worse,...a cage. Oh, I just can't say.

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vetwife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 08:04 PM
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12. Thank you
I think we know what inner strength is and when people are down too long, they know they must stand together and speak with one voice and say No More ! NO MORE IN 04 ......Take it Back !
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