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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 09:15 AM
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The crooked path of torture...
It started in Afghanistan. We all remember Taliban John Walker Lindh. The massacre and torture of nearly 3000 Afghan Taliban troops went by nearly unnoticed. Many were captured and shipped to Guantanamo Bay in Cuba - after a short spell on a ship out on the Indian Ocean.

General Miller was in charge at Guantanamo and received accolades for the results he got from the "detainees". (Do not call them prisoners) Mr Bush had been reassured that since the Taliban were not representative of any nation-state, he did not have to abide by the Geneva Convention rules. This was accepted procedure down the military chain of command. We do not know the extent of the torture at or before Guantanamo.

As the war in Iraq bogged down and the hunt for WMDs became futile, the need for information from detainees became more and more necessary. General Miller, with proven credentials, was sent to Iraq to replace General Karpinski. This was before any photos became available. However, General Miller was advising the Iraqi prison system from Cuba even before his assignment.

It appears the same methods used against the Taliban prisoners were adapted to the Iraqi "detainees" also. Iraq was a nation state and the same justification could not be used against the Iraqi people as was used against the Taliban. However, as more facts become public, it appears that the Geneva Convention was ignored in Iraq, also. The orders came from the highest levels of government.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 09:19 AM
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1. And the best part is... it's totally LEGAL!
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 09:22 AM
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3. Lawyers cannot decide if torture is "legal"...Just as they cannot decide..
..that murder is legal. That's just a cover.
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JoePizz Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 09:29 AM
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4. That brings up an interesting point
I've often wondered where the law prohibiting murder is. I don't think it's in the constitution. Is it a federal law? Or a state? Or is it something that everyone just assumes is illegal but no law has been passed about it?

If there really isn't a law, I wouldn't be surprised if shrub and co. pop up soon with that line of defense (Just as Scalia popped up with the "You don't really have a right to vote" defense in the 2000 debacle).

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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 09:45 AM
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5. No one is above the law....
Just ask Bill Clinton.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 09:20 AM
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2. No, it started in Brooklyn
with the torture and abuse of Islamic Americans picked up and deprived of their consitutional rights in the wake of 9/11.
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