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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 09:39 AM
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I am curious: when Clinton's time comes, will all the media outlets
report about his life and death for a whole week? Will D.C. be closed for the day of the funeral at the national cathedral?

After all, like Reagan he did serve two terms; like Reagan his approval rate, while in office (or when leaving, not sure) was 57 percent; like Reagan, the stock market reached new heights but, unlike Reagan, he turned an inherited deficit to a surplus and, unlike Reagan, the standard of living for all wage earners increased by about the same rate.
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 09:47 AM
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1. It will depend on who controls the media
I am wondering about Ford and Carter.

Ford was an accidental president and was never elected.

Carter was our most honest president and the one with a Nobel peace prize for his work after he left office. If he had died, I think the media would have been much more critical of him than they are of Reagan.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 09:51 AM
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2. Yes, but negatively (lots of Blow Job discussions); No.
Clinton was the Last President of the Old Republic, Raygun was the first Bushevik Emperor (though mostly just a confused old man with a skill for acting that was useful as a tool of evil).
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MallRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 09:56 AM
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7. The Old Republic?
Damn. Where are the Jedi Knights when we need them?

-MR
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 10:17 AM
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14. Yes, that is the analogy I use. It is apt. Lucas was merely retelling a
very OLD and historically common story.

It is the most unpleasant coincidence that as he rewrite his Parts I-III (which thus far have sucked, to be sure), pretty much the selfasame story minus The Force and the Star Destroyers is playing out here in Imperial Amerika.

As I said, it is a very old and common story.

The Old American Republic
Born July 4, 1776
Died Dec. 12, 2000

May it be restored to health and vigor.

And if the Jedi Knights were here, John Ashcroft would be torturing them down in Gitmo.

"All right, Kenobi! Stick your finger up your ass! Now put it in your mouth! Skywalker, tired of being smeared with shit yet? All you have to do is tell me where that Secret Rebel Base is?"

And so forth.
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jdsmith Donating Member (612 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 09:59 AM
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8. Clinton's obits will mention Monica in the first five minutes
contrary to the corporate media's downplaying of e.g. Iran-contra.

I wonder if there's anybody who'd care to leak BClinton's, HClinton's, Carter's, EKennedy's, etc. prepared obits from the _NYT_?
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 09:51 AM
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3. Yes!
In my lifetime, i have yet to see a president die and not dominate the news cycle. Of course, when Truman, Johnson, or Eisenhower died, the news media was not dominated by the 24 hour channels. But, special broadcasts, and breaking news interruptions were true in all three cases.

Remember Nixon? When he died it was BIG, BIG, news. And, he resigned in disgrace.

So, when Clinton goes, (hopefully many years hence), it'll be big news. The death of every former president is.
The Professor
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 09:54 AM
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4. And will they be fair to Carter, who is more likely to go first?
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 10:18 AM
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15. No. Would Der Sturmer be fair to Theodore Herzl?
Edited on Tue Jun-08-04 10:20 AM by tom_paine
motlc.wiesenthal.com/albums/palbum/p03/a0177p3.html

www.us-israel.org/jsource/biography/Herzl.html
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nodictators Donating Member (977 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 09:55 AM
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5. The media scum will recycle all of their lies about the Clinton "scandals"
And nothing postiive will be allowed in their reports. They'll make it appear the Clinton's eight years were an unmitigated, ongoing disaster and that GW Bush was elected (sic) and solved all of the leftover "problems" from the Clinton years.

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cmf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 09:55 AM
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6. It will focus on the scandals
and the impeachment. I am sure of it. Likewise, when Carter dies, they will harp on that he was an "ineffectual leader".
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jdsmith Donating Member (612 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 10:00 AM
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9. "Malaise. Iran hostages." (Didn't you get the memo from Judy Woodruff?)
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 10:02 AM
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10. they'll concentrate on impeachement/sex....count on it
Edited on Tue Jun-08-04 10:03 AM by buycitgo
as for Reagan....the media love him, cause he's part of the image created by Hollywood/MCA, then continued by the WH PR machine once he got elected

read this LONG snip from Mark Hertsgaard's book to see just why RR is getting this ludicrous hagio treatment.......
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Ronald_Reagan/On_Bended_Knee.html

the craven media absolutely LOVE his dead old ass.....it's still great soap selling material

Tom Brokaw, anchor and managing editor of the NBC Nightly News, also felt that Reagan got "a more positive press than he deserves," a feat for which Brokaw credited the White House staff as well as the President. "In part it goes back to who he is," said Brokaw, "and his strong belief in who he is. He's not trying to reinvent himself every day as Jimmy Carter was.... Ronald Reagan reminds me of a lot of CEOs I know who run big companies and spend most of their time on their favorite charitable events or lunch with their pals and kind of have a broad-based philosophy of how they want their companies run. Reagan's got that kind of broad-based philosophy about how he wants the government run, and he's got all these killers who are willing and able to do that for him."

The "killers" primarily responsible for generating positive press coverage of Reagan were Michael Deaver and David Gergen, and if they did not exactly get away with murder, they came pretty close. Deaver, Gergen and their colleagues effectively rewrote the rules of presidential image-making. On the basis of a sophisticated analysis of the American news media-how it worked, which buttons to push when, what techniques had and had not worked for previous administrations-they introduced a new model for packaging the nation's top politician and using the press to sell him to the American public. Their objective was not simply to tame the press but to transform it into an unwitting mouthpiece of the government; it was one of Gergen's guiding assumptions that the administration simply could not govern effectively unless it could "get the right story out" through the "filter" of the press.

The extensive public relations apparatus assembled within the Reagan White House did most of its work out of sight-in private White House meetings each morning to set the "line of the day" that would later be fed to the press; in regular phone calls to the television networks intended to influence coverage of Reagan on the evening news; in quiet executive orders imposing extraordinary new government secrecy measures, including granting the FBI and CIA permission to infiltrate the press. It was Mike Deaver's special responsibility to provide a constant supply of visually attractive, prepackaged news stories-the kind that network television journalists in particular found irresistible. Of course, it helped enormously that the man being sold was an ex-Hollywood actor. As James Lake, press secretary of the Reagan-Bush campaign, acknowledged, Ronald Reagan was "the ultimate presidential commodity . . . the right product."

The Reagan public relations model was based on a simple observation, articulated to me by longtime Reagan pollster Richard Wirthlin: "There's no question that how the press reports the President influences how people feel about the President. People make up their minds on the basis of what they see and hear about him, and the press is the conduit through which they get a lot of their information." Because the news media were the unavoidable intermediary between the President and the public, Wirthlin, Deaver, Gergen, Baker and their colleagues focused their talents on controlling to the maximum extent possible what news reports said about the President and his policies. The more influence they could exercise over how Reagan's policies were portrayed in the press; the greater were the White House's chances of implementing those policies without triggering widespread disaffection or endangering Mr. Reagan's re-election chances.


speaking of PR, this quote sums it up better than any I've seen:

"The whole thing was PR. This was a PR outfit that became President and took over the country. And to the degree then to which the Constitution forced them to do things like make a budget, run foreign policy and all that, they sort of did. But their first, last, and overarching activity was public relations."
--Leslie Janka, a deputy White House press secretary under Reagan
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chelsea0011 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 10:05 AM
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11. Yes, but unlike Reagan the negatives will rule the day
An impeached President will command a lot of attention. Ford and Carter will not get 24-7 coverage.
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Cat Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 10:05 AM
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12. It'll be a whole different country when Clinton dies.
Edited on Tue Jun-08-04 10:07 AM by Cat Atomic
The neoconservative movement will be an embarrassing memory, in a pile with Joe McCarthy and the Nixon Administration. The country will have moved away from extremist right wing politics, and the media will have been broken up.

Clinton will get a reasonable amount of a news coverage (no more than a day as the top story). Reagan certainly deserves no more than that, but with the current arragnement... well... it's like Stalin making big statues of Lenin.

I'm being optimistic, ok.
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 10:15 AM
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13. I'm curious
Is Jane Wyman still alive?? Do you think she will attend the funeral in DC.if alive.how come they haven't interviewed her.after all she was apart of his life.....and they have interviewed just about everyone who was ever with in touching distance of him.
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cmf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 10:23 AM
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16. She's still alive
But she's not big on talking to the press about him. She pretty much refused to do so when he was alive, and I think she only released a short statement via a friend after his death.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 10:26 AM
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17. oh he'll get attention I'm sure...
...but it won't be the glowing type fawned on RayGun - lots of blowjob discussion, insulting Hillary, etc. etc.

Clinton won't get nearly the pleasant week-long obit that RayGun has gotten - Hell, they'll probably be suing him even while (and after) he's buried - Repug lawyers will probably be standing there with their lawsuits waiting to rip the brass off the casket because it costed too much and the Repugs got pissed about it.
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