ASHCROFT CSPAN THREAD 2 6/8/04

[proud patriot]

thread 1 here
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1746058&mesg_id=1746058

[proud patriot]

1. Herb Kohl (D) questioning now

from Wisconsin

[liveoaktx]

2. Larry Craig is one of the Repubs Against some portions of Patriot Act!

http://www.hillnews.com/news/051204/patriot.aspx

[wtmusic]

5. Unlikely allies--it comes around full circle

They don't want feds breathing down their necks either.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

7. Craig: "although i trust you i do not trust future AGs" and powers must be

look at and debated in the future"

[central scrutinizer]

102. that is the correct lens

with which to assess any legislation. Visualize your political opponents with the powers you are granting to your side. If the picture is not pleasant, then it is bad legislation.

[wndycty]

3. Thanks

:kick:

[Cocoa]

4. Larry Craig

hopes Saddam Hussein doesn't take away our civil liberties. :wtf:

[King Coal]

8. I heard that too, Cocoa.

Unbelievable.

[LittleApple81]

6. Craig from Idaho trusts Asscraft but he might not trust the next AG.BWAHA

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA!!!
Getting ready for a change?

[MoonRiver]

33. Better start getting used to Elliott Spitzer, a-hole!

:D

[vetwife]

118. Idaho or Ohio? I tell you when he said I trust you but don't trust

that scared me...It is like the only trusworthy government is run by the republican party. That goes beyond partisanship..That is insane !

[Q]

9. Ashcroft acts as if he's above the law...

...perhaps it's because he KNOWS he's above the law and this rubber-stamp congress may threaten but won't do a damn thing to him?

[LittleApple81]

10. We KNEW he is above he law. What he did during the 9/11 commission

was amazing... publishing in the OPEN classified documents to hurt a member of the committee...

[LittleApple81]

11. How can he justify now not giving info. in a classified way when he did

this during the 9/11 commission?????

[Wilber_Stool]

12. The United States

is not responsible for security at the Olympic Games. Thank God.

[LittleApple81]

13. So why is Kohl asking this silly question now? n/t

[SoFlaJet]

16. Herb Kohl?????????

I watch a lot of C-Span(no life I guess)and I've never seen this guy before.Wow I mean I watch aLOT of C-S

[LittleApple81]

17. Me too. I thought it was a typo or that the German ex-prime minister

was here....

[Cocoa]

18. he's a dud

especially compared to the junior senator from WI. Btw, isn't Feingold on this committee?

[Bushfire]

27. Judiciary Cmte member

solid Dem vote on Judicial nominees by Shrub. Voted for IWR, and on the wrong side of BBV. Not my favorite Senator.

[Kanary]

14. Thanks to everyone for recording proceedings for those of us without

C-Span!!

Many, many thanks!

If you find out a time when this will be rebroadcast, please post! Maybe I can find a friend who can tape it.

Thanks again......finallly, some good news!

Kanary

[LittleApple81]

15. I am watching on the web. Is you connection too slow for that? n/t

[Kanary]

41. Yes, not to mention my computer waaaay too old... like me. ^_^

Thanks for understanding it may not be something available to all. I appreciate that.

Kanary

[truthspeaker]

94. Streaming video not allowed at work

Ties up the network and some people here have actual work to do (not me).

[jdj]

38. You can watch on C-span. org

At any time.

I am on dial-up and have a Mac with a 1997 (pre G) processor, and I have watched hearings online. The video is clunkly and jerky but you can hear everything fine. It's well worth seeing the whole thing in this case, since Ashcroft just perjured himself and is being accused of being in contempt of congress. The repukes hold the constitution while Ashcroft wipes his ass with it. They are all traitors.

Wow, Russ Feingold just blew a hole in his "little black hijab hood" story, by asking him about the Mayfield case, and showing the hypocrisy of KKK using this as a defense for the patriot act when Mayfield was singled out because he had a copy of the Koran and because he went to a mosque.

[Cheswick2.0]

19. and Asscrack continues to say

"blah blah blah blah blah"

[lazarus]

20. asking about FISA warrants

Why isn't he being forced to justify not issuing a single FISA warrant before 9/11? What a crap answer he's giving.

[displacedtexan]

26. Feingold is on the Patriot act like stink on a skunk!

Wrote to A$$KKKROFT requesting info on the status of warrants, library searches, etc.

A$$KKKROFT will not provide them to the committee.

Feingold doesn't understand. He's been updated in the past.

A$$KKKROFT now says Russ will be updated (narrowly).

Feingold says they have to be able to evaluate the P. Act.

DUH!

[Cheswick2.0]

21. Go Russ Go Russ Go Russ!

Kick his ass!

[liveoaktx]

23. Roving Wiretaps, Sneak and Peek, Section 215 Library Records

He's asked Ashcroft for info on how these things are being used, no answer, yet Congress being asked to push this through.

Number of Sneak and Peek searches-why no update?-Feingold

Ashcroft says some of this is not related to anti-terror but added to generic criminal parts of the act.

[Mandate My Ass]

83. generic criminal parts of the act.

That's exactly the kinds of abuses of the ACT we were
assured would never happen.

They're using terror as justification to conduct routine
criminal investigations without showing cause.

Just trust us.:puke:

[proud patriot]

25. Yeah he's great

asking about FISA warrants ,,ashcroft saying
he's not going to provide the documents to congress .

Boy , I hope if it wasn't clear to policy makers
before today that they know now , bushco has no
respect for the rule of law and the Constitution.

These criminal fascists must be brought to justice .

[wtmusic]

22. Bad Boy!!! Ashcroft stuttering again

It's all classified...you're going to have to sift through the paper trail...

[molly]

24. This is scarey - doesn't have to answer to anyone?

[wtmusic]

28. Read the Koran...Go to Jail...is that so hard to understand???

sheesh...

[liveoaktx]

31. Safe act-USED to have an identity to get a Roving wiretap-no more

[LittleApple81]

29. Mayfield being brought up! About time!!! n/t

[slinkerwink]

30. who's Mayfield?

[LittleApple81]

32. The lawyer tied by a faulty fingerprint to the Spanish attack. n/t

[wtmusic]

34. Upshot is this: when in doubt, throw 'em in jail

Republicans are easily frightened

[ElsewheresDaughter]

36. Ameican lawyer falsely accussed of Madrid train bombing paticle fingerpri

print

[Cocoa]

37. Mayfield was disappeared by mistake

Saved only by the competent Spanish law enforcement system.

http://www.oregonlive.com/editorials/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/editorial/1085572891161310.xml

[LittleApple81]

35. You don't need to know the identity of the person to place a wiretap??

Oh, my God... let me out of here.
With all these religious nuts, Asscroft, Bush* and our protections gone...
MY OUR FREEDOM LOVING GOD SAVE AMERICA!!!!

[LittleApple81]

39. The young assistant to the left of Ashcroft has not had botox injections..

His brow is wrinkling more and more by the second!!! I kind of feel sorry for him.
Maybe botox is going to be required for assistants sitting behind Asscroft.

[LittleApple81]

47. Did any of you watch "The Daily Show" when discussing VP candidates

for Kerry? Edwards was rejected because his cuteness would disappear pretty darn quickly with the process of presidential elections. Then his face melted... This kid looks like he is going through this process!

[LittleApple81]

40. Specter on now. I am afraid that now he is feeling the need to out-repug

other repugs to keep his job. We'll see.

[liveoaktx]

42. The April 17, 2003 Ashcroft decision to treat immigrants as a group

"illegal aliens can be held indefinitely" even if they have no known links to terrorist groups.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0426-04.htm

[wtmusic]

43. Smoke coming from Ashcroft's ears...short circuit

:D

[Zen]

44. OMG!! What the heck is CSPAN doing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

fools!

[gulfcoastliberal]

45. Cutting Away to the House?!

Damnit, CSPAN.

[troublemaker]

48. They are required to cover floor proceeding, no matter how trivial.

[tridim]

Cutaway for RR tribute speeches

I changed the channel before they finished the sentence.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

46. time to link to c-span 2 live streaming..some please post the link?

[Zen]

50. Help! What's going on!

Are they insane??

[gauguin57]

52. cspan 2 has coverage of some panel

from yesterday about Iraq and the elections. Bill Kristol in the foreground looking grouchy and scratching himself.

Goddammit! I want to see Asscroft getting pilloried! Why do we have to listen to lame-ass Reagan speeches in the House? The Asscroft questioning is so much more important to our country!!!!!

[LittleApple81]

49. ARGHHHH... Going to the HOUSE. NONONONO!!! MORE REAGAN

CRAP IN THE HOUSE. We need this Ashcroft presentation more than the House bullshit

[Zen]

53. Damn, preempted this good stuff with more chatter about the dead

simple mind?? What the heck is going on?

[Cheswick2.0]

51. back to Ronathon

the 24 hours a day BJ to saint Ronny's memory...or lack of it.

[orthogonal]

54. Switch to CSPAN radio

Switch to CSPAN Radio for more Ashcroft:

http://www.cspan.org/watch/cspanradio.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CSR

[LittleApple81]

56. THANKS, THANKS, THANKS...I don't know who is up now. And

missed the question asked...something about asserting priviledge.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

58. bless you! i can't listen to the assholes having sex with reagans corpse

anymore!!!!!

[LittleApple81]

61. EEEEEWWWWWW EEEEWWWWW. How true!! n/t

[tridim]

59. Thanks for that info

I'm tuned in on Sirius now.

[Wind Dancer]

55. Did they switch due to the heat Ashcroft was under

or was this planned. Do we no longer have the ability to see congress in action?

[LittleApple81]

57. no. they MUST cover the house even if it is just crap. n/t

[Vadem]

60. Here is a direct URL to the hearing on C-Span Radio:

http://judiciary.senate.gov/

[ElsewheresDaughter]

62. House ajourns it's back on c-span....senate judicary committe on asscrack

[Cheswick2.0]

64. that's more like it

I want to see someone lay him out cold. I know it isn't going to happen, I just want to see it.

[LittleApple81]

67. Thanks. I miss who is asking if I don't see their faces. n/t

[Zen]

63. Why is this guy giving Asscraft a tossed salad?

Just because you're a friggin' Replimoron doesn't mean you should shirk your duties on a VERY important panel and discussion. Pieces of shit Repukes.

[Vadem]

66. Sen. Kyl (R-Ariz?) eom...

[LittleApple81]

68. I did not know what tossed salad meant until I heard Jeanine Garofalo.

I searched for the meaning on the web. It is repulsive beyond belief... I guess I am getting old.

[Wind Dancer]

65. Thanks for the info, I am glad it is back on,

I wasn't getting the live stream clearly.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

69. dick durbin..."you said you won't disclose these memos but they have

already been disclosed and he reads the content of what is in these memos coming straight out of your department"

"AG, which statue are you claiming to dismiss your releasing of these memos?"

"you are not citing a law?"

lots of conferring in the backround..."is this a side bar?"

[LittleApple81]

70. So what is is Mr. Ashcroft is it executive privilege or what is it

that allows you not to disclose the material we are requesting?

[Walt Starr]

71. Dick Durbin SMACKED HIM DOWN!!

Trying to get Asscrack on the record about precisely why he won't give Congress the memoes!

[darknemus]

WOW

"Mr. Attorney General, with all due respect - your personal beliefs are not the law"

I am... wow... I'm absolutely freaking loving this.

[Hepburn]

110. Rock on, rock on!!

Great quote. Thanks for up-dating for those of us who cannot listen right now! :toast:

[aquart]

117. Saying "I believe" is a perjury dodge.

All lawyers know that.

A belief is not a fact.

[LittleApple81]

74. Durbin: PERSONAL BELIEF IS NOT THE LAW!!!!! n/t

[Wind Dancer]

78. This is unbelievable,

[Wind Dancer]

72. Refusing to disclose memos

what is he talking about?

[liveoaktx]

76. Ironic that the LEGAL person Ashcroft isn't citing a LEGAL reason

to withhold the memos.

[Walt Starr]

77. JUST ASKED THE $64,000 QUESTION!!!

"Are these memoes classified?"

[wndycty]

73. Durbin. . .repeating CONTEMPT OF CONGRESS

Mr. Ashcroft, your beliefs are not law.

[Zen]

75. Chestnuts roasting on an open fire!!!!!!!

WOOHOO!!

He's a dead man!

[LittleApple81]

79. Durbin and Leahey: You are a lawyer and authoritative and

don't know if the memos are CLASSIFIED???
THIS IS EVASION AND WE SHOULD TAKE THIS AS CONTEMPT OF CONGRESS!!!!

[LittleApple81]

84. Young assistant in the back is going to collapse into a heap with

a wrinkled brow.

[Spazito]

80. There is a question that NEEDS to be asked....

what other memos are in existence that have yet to be leaked to the press? There are obviously even more condemning memos that the bush admin is franticly and desperately trying to keep from Congress!

[Hippo_Tron]

81. OMG Dick Durbin is tearing him a new one...

This guy should be our leader.

[GreenPartyVoter]

82. Where has this Congress been the last few years?!

Glad they finally showed up!

[wndycty]

85. Oh, oh Leahy is back up

:kick:

[Cocoa]

86. I've heard that so many times

[Hippo_Tron]

89. The Republicans finally got worried about their re-election...

If they didn't look into this shit.

[Zen]

87. Now we know why Asscraft doesn't show up much in front of congress

He is completely incompetent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He is a total failure - if I were the burning shrub, I'd can his sorry ass.

[GreenPartyVoter]

88. Welcome to DU :^)

[Hippo_Tron]

92. He has to turn over to his advisors every two seconds...

He's just like chimp without the stuttering when he forgets things.

[central scrutinizer]

114. losing an election to a dead man

says a lot about your competence.

[Wind Dancer]

90. This is so frustrating!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He refuses to answer any questions.

[GreenPartyVoter]

91. *lol*

Sorry, just thought it was funny how your post and name go so well together. *g*

[Wind Dancer]

97. Yes, it only gets worse everyday!

Frustration and anger, the most secretive administration in my lifetime and I've been around a long time.
:mad:

[LittleApple81]

93. This is more incriminating than anything else. n/t

[Zen]

95. What's with Orrin ButtHatch and this "when we are at war"

crap and making excuses for him. Actually it's PATHETIC!! He is basically calling him incompetent since nobody EVER has had such an issue answering questions before. Orrin (the moron) is calling Asscraft incompetent!!!!!!!

[Zen]

104. Thank God Leahy is clarifying a real war vs this paranoid

Repulimoron "War on Humanity".


You tell that moron that he shouldn't be such a paranoid!

[LittleApple81]

96. Hatch.... political games WTF!!!! Defend our country, our constitution

THAT'S WHAT THE DEMOCRATS ARE TRYING TO DO, YOU SHITFACE!

[Mandate My Ass]

98. Hatch wankfest

Reasonable people will understand why you've
refused to answer questions here today.

F**king LIARS.

[gWbush is Mabus]

100. reasonable = evangelical christians

[k in IA]

99. I guess Hatch has no problem with Contempt of Congress.

[LittleApple81]

106. I must apologize. I can't control myself. I watch this stuff (and I must)

and my keyboard sinks into potty-language territory so fast... but this drives me crazy. THE REPUGS ARE BEYOND CONTEMPT!!!!!!

[liveoaktx]

101. Leahy is my new hero! WW II was a war

Terrorists will strike at us, we will defeat them. But we will defeat ourselves if we do not keep our constitution alive.

[k in IA]

105. Hopefully we will be seeing some of these Senators on some

shows about this, if they can stop the Reagan love fests long enough to report some other news.

[LittleApple81]

109. Don't hold your breath. But I won't miss Randi Rhodes today...

She is a C-Span junkie... she must be seething... And she spins these things so wonderfully.

[LittleApple81]

103. Leahy on now: Talking about WWII--that was a real war. Now it

is terrorism, it is not WAR. It is a different type of war. The terrorist groups will come and go and this country has survived because of the CONSTITUTION but we defeat ourselves if we don't keep the constitution alive and well long after we are gone.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

107. a well spent morning watching something other than repukes have sex with

Reagan's corpse

[Zen]

108. Why didn't we declare war on "rednecks" when Oklahoma City

bombing occured? Oh, that's right (hehe), they were Republicans...

[LittleApple81]

111. Hey, that is wonderful question!!!!! I wonder how we can get somebody to

ask that?

[tishaLA]

112. Is this still on?!

I can't find it!

[LittleApple81]

113. Too late... just finished. n/t

[tishaLA]

115. Damn. Thanks.

[liveoaktx]

116. Were the memos classified? Can Ashcroft run back and classify

them now in order to try to prevent showing them to Congress? Is there a good trail to show on what date items are classified?

His refusal to directly answer the question except in the case of that one "Bush doesn't condone torture" is damning.

[wndycty]

119. Join the drive!

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