Debunking Kerry "flipping off" Vietnam Vet

[wicket]

Has anyone got a link debunking this?

[RememberTheCoup]

1. Never heard this, but...

...the burden of proof is on the person making the assertion. Nevertheless, www.snopes.com is a good place to start. There are other "debunking" sites out there as well.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

2. I don't think it was ever credible to begin with

Not a single other news source reported it.

[MadChatter]

3. NewsMax

was the ONLY source of it. I don't believe it at all.

[kaitykaity]

9. Welcome to DU, MadChatter!!

Happy Posting!!

:toast:

[heidiho]

4. Rush had it as a lead story last week

and was hee hee ing like crazy and loving this story but I heard it
was NOT true last week as well.

But the damage is done when Liarbaugh throws these things out there without verification. Now everyone thinks that Kerry flipped the bird in front of a group of small children.

Why isn't Liarbaugh in jail yet?

[NYCGirl]

5. Here it is...from David Brock's Media Matters

http://mediamatters.org/items/200406030001

[wicket]

11. Thank-you!!!!

:)

[kaitykaity]

6. David Brock's web site.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200406030001

[Submariner]

7. Here you go

I've had to put it to good use acouple of times myself.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200406030001

[LizW]

8. Oh my god! Here's a picture of Kerry giving someone the finger!

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=51871

:evilgrin:

[radwriter0555]

13. I just made the freepers on the yahoo board wet their pants with

that headline and subsequent photo... THANKS!

http://news.messages.yahoo.com/bbs?action=l&board=37138469&tid=apbushclout&sid=37138469&mid=618357

[Justice]

18. Read The Top Left Hand Corner Of The Page You Linked To

It says:

Bush Soars in the Polls
10-19-2001

Isn't that odd? How is it relevant to anything?

[jmowreader]

15. That's his INDEX finger!

Which is perfectly fine to display.

[0007]

17. It all depends by who's standard were talking about! LOL!!

[Paradise]

10. i don't have a link but others do...

besides, it's absurd! :crazy:

[Delano]

12. It wasn't a vet...

It was a deranged right-wing stalker who happens to be a vet.

Whether the story is true or not is up in the air, but the guy who supposedly got the bird would have had it coming.

[wicket]

14. I definitely agree

Ted Smapley deserves whatever he gets, but I'm just sick of right-wingers trying to smear Kerry in this way.

[diamond14]

16. you'll find it on Kerry's web site....a letter from Vets who accompanies

Kerry to the WALL....there is also a separate area for DEBUNKING stupid bush* rumors....


http://www.JohnKerry.com

while you are on John Kerry's site, PLEASE volunteer to help...
with bush* spinning more and more LIES everyday, and $Millions to LIE with...we need YOU to STAND UP and stop the LIES.....

[Bridget Burke]

19. Big holiday weekend, media covering the candidate.....

And nobody had a camera?

Yeah, right.

[Mara Jade]

20. The only account of this is from Sampley, the guy who was supposedly

flipped off, reported through NewsMax, a Right Wing "news" organ. CNN was there with cameras during the event and witnessed/reported no such thing.

Sampley is a scumbag agitator and con man. Here is a press release from McCain on Sampley, posted on Sampley's own website. Would you take the word of McCain or Kerry, or this guy, on what happened?

http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com/mccain_pr_13feb.htm

Senator John McCain, Republican, Press Release Issued, 13 February 2004, to The New York Times and Other National News Media

VVA-JK Organizer Ted Sampley Attacked

"I strongly caution reporters who may be contacted by or are interested in Mr. Ted Sampley and the various organizations he claims to represent, and his opinions on the subject of Senator Kerry, or any subject for that matter, to investigate thoroughly Mr. Sampley's background and history of spreading outrageous slander and other disreputable behavior before inadvertently lending him or his allegations any credibility.

"I am well familiar with Mr. Sampley, and I know him to be one of the most despicable people I have ever had the misfortune to encounter. I consider him a fraud who preys on the hopes of family members of missing servicemen for his own profit. He is dishonorable, an enemy of the truth, and despite his claims, he does not speak for or represent the views of all but a few veterans. The many veterans I know would think it a disgrace to be considered a comrade or supporter of Ted Sampley."

From Kerry's website:
http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/clips/news_2004_0214f.html

In 1993, Mr. Sampley was convicted of misdemeanor assault and sentenced to 180 days' probation for attacking a legislative aide to Mr. McCain.

A self-proclaimed champion for veterans' rights, Mr. Sampley has been criticizing Mr. Kerry for much the same reason he made Mr. McCain a target for years: Neither man, Mr. Sampley contends, has done enough to investigate his claim that American servicemen were left behind in Vietnam after the war.

Mr. Sampley once called Mr. McCain, who was held captive for five years in North Vietnam, "the Manchurian Candidate," a reference to a 1962 film in which a Communist-controlled candidate nearly becomes his party's candidate for president.

(snip)

In defending Mr. Kerry, Mr. McCain — who has campaigned for President Bush this year — said of Mr. Sampley: "I consider him a fraud who preys on the hopes of family members of missing servicemen for his own profit. He is dishonorable, an enemy of the truth, and despite his claims, he does not speak for or represent the views of all but a few veterans."

[killbotfactory]

21. The only people who would believe it in the first place...

are the people who hate Kerry and will believe anything negative said about him. It doesn't need debunking because it's so goddamn stupid.

[gratuitous]

22. Don't debunk

Tell the convict Sampley to prove his case. Or can't he afford a camera? Why doesn't he fleece a few more desperate families of MIAs and buy one?

Ted Sampley = Lowlife. If he said the sun's coming up in the East, I'd get to a window before I'd believe it.