FUCK YOU FEINGOLD!!!

[matcom]

(am watching the re-run of the senate hearings today with AssKrack)

FEINGOLD wants to know what the Pattriot Act says.

FUCK YOU ASSHOLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

you should have read it you scum!!!!!!!

i did off the MOTHERFUCKING INTERNET

BASTARD :puke:

FUCK OFF!!

[frank frankly]

1. he was awfully weak, i thought

just was not on target at all.

pay close attention, Senator Feingold. we are in Big Trouble, in case you don't know yet...

[LTR]

2. Uhhh...He knows it well

He voted against it.

Feingold is a great senator. A man of true integrity.

I'm proud that he represents my state.

[shoelace414]

41. Feingold

I voted for him every time. :)

[buycitgo]

62. AAAAAHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!

where'd you get that picture??????????


hhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!

[Eric J in MN]

3. You know that Russ Feingold voting against the Patriot Act, right? nt

nt

[dflprincess]

59. In fact wasn't Feingold the ONLY one to vote against it?

Even Wellstone voted wrong on that one.

[GreenPartyVoter]

4. Breathe, Mat, breathe!

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[greatauntoftriplets]

5. Feingold was the ONLY senator to vote against the USAPatriot Act.

He deserves credit for taking a stand for freedom.

[Octafish]

13. Yeah. The little bit he read he didn't like.

Mebbe he just wanted to see if Ashcan knew what was in it.
When it comes to the law, it seems Crisco Johnny likes to play to his inner NAZI.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/docs/ashcroft.sp.4.html

[greatauntoftriplets]

16. That's what I think....

...that he was testing Asscrack.

[DaveSZ]

6. .

He was the only Senator who didn't vote for the PA.

He also didn't vote for the assault weapons ban.

I believe him to be a man of integrity who believes in the Constitution, but that's my own personal viewpoint.

[Lex]

7. It might have been a set up to make them answer

the question on the record.

It could've been a sly way to make a point.

Feingold voted against it.

[ibegurpard]

14. that's my take.

particularly since he was one of the very few who actually voted against the damn thing.

[Jack Rabbit]

8. Cool it

Maybe Feingold disappointed a few today, but he is still the only member of the Senate to vote against that police state enabling piece of crap.

That is distinction of some honor.

[Vickers]

9. And with those gentle words, Matcom concludes his daily

civics lesson for the US Congress.

:spank:

[FlashHarry]

10. Jesus Christ! Do some fucking research before you rant!

:puke:

[Hippo_Tron]

11. At least he didn't VOTE for it without reading it like most senators (n/t)

[louis c]

12. Feingold?

I'll take Feingold any day, and I have the two best Senators, I'm from Mass. If you want to insult a piece of shit Democratic Senator, try Shawn Hannity's Friend, Lieberman, the asshole from Conn.

[Hippo_Tron]

21. I would too... I have Landrieu and Breaux

Landrieu is probably one of the most ineffective members of the senate and Breaux is a good guy but definately doesn't stand up to the Republicans enough.

[matcom]

15. i understand now that he voted against it. so WHY

didn't he ROCK THAT MESSAGE while grilling ASSKRACK??????

he PRAISED him more often than not!!!

stand up an back up your VOTE i say!!!

[Eric J in MN]

18. I didn't see the exchange, but maybe he thought he'd get more

I didn't see the exchange, but maybe he thought he'd get more information by being nice.

[LTR]

22. Strategy

Let Biden and Kennedy play bad cop.

I'm sure Asscroft was expecting a new hole torn into him by Russ. Not sure he expected it from somebody like Biden.

[anarchy1999]

23. Matcom, I just watched it again, I think he was setting Ashcroft up in

some cool, calculated way. I could be wrong, but Feingold just seemed to be very measured and calm. I also agree with previous poster, breathe deep, hold for 10 and let out slowly. I've been doing it all day, it works, but barely.

[Wonk]

24. There's still plenty of time to edit your thread title, if you want to. nt

[barbaraann]

42. They might have threated him.

n/t

[bluestateguy]

17. I'll cut him slack

Perhaps he did not read it, much like 534 other members of Congress, but he was the only member of the Senate to have the foresight to see that it was just asking for trouble. He voted no, and for that he deserves our gratitude for such an act of political courage during a time of national hysteria.

[dansolo]

29. No, he knew exactly what was in the Patriot Act

Probably one of the few who actually read all of it.

http://www.archipelago.org/vol6-2/feingold.htm

[Swede Atlanta]

19. Feingold and the Patriot Act

I haven't seen or heard Feingold's comments but if true it is indicative of the willingness of Democrats and Moderate Conservatives to cave into the perception that they had to vote for anything that was seen by the public as improving safety and security. It didn't matter that it might not only be ineffective as a means of improving our security or even contrary to those interests. The important thing was to be seen as supporting every effort to protect the nation in the face of the tragic events of 9/11.

We need to hold our elected officials accountable for their actions. I believe the Patriot Act seriously and arguably unconsitutionally (no one would of course challenge this with the current line-up of Nazi Supremes we have on the Court) impedes civil rights recognized as part of our nation's jurisprudence over the past 225+ years.

[GreenPartyVoter]

20. Welcome to DU :^)

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[MoonRiver]

27. Feingold voted against the Patriot Act.

I had forgotten this, but others on the thread reminded us. Feingold was probably just trying to set a trap during the hearing. Regardless, you are correct about holding elected officials accountable. Bring it on, right to bushco's address.

Welcome to DU!! :hi:

[Swede Atlanta]

30. Thanks

Thank you "saywhat" for correcting me on Feingold's record on the Patriot Act. But it concerns me that we have elected representatives that vote for bills, especially bills that go to the essential values of our democracy, without having fully vetted them. I realize most members of Congress rely heavily on staff to provide a thumbs up, thumbs down assessment and prepare talking points for committee and floor debate. But this Act, directed at fundamental civil liberties, in the context of 9/11 deserves more attention. We have in effect allowed the terrorists to win by reducing the scope of the constitutional liberties of U.S. citizens. We may win the battle but we lose the war.

[BurtWorm]

31. From what I remember, the Patriot Act was rammed through

(by Democrats in the Senate, by the way), with little chance for anyone to look carefully over its 1,000 some sections. I was under the impression that a lot of it may have been written before September 11, considering how complex it was and how rapidly it was pushed through.

[Tellurian]

60. Yes, rammed through with great urgency. Just like the War with Iraq!

Sen. Leahy was against the PA. He read it partially, and wasn't liking what he was reading, questioning the need for such a drastic infringement on the civil rights of Americans. He also he feared the enactment of such would set new precedent. IIRC, the over 300 pg document was made available for review at 2 am. Most of the senators didn't even know it was up for a vote.

When Leahy balked, Hatch and Asscroft were sent to cajole him into signing off on it. Stating Leahy would be seen as unpatriotic at a time when the country was imperiled, if he didn't vote yay. Hatch chanted, "We need to give this president broader powers. We're under attack and his hands are tied."

*sigh*

[newyawker99]

35. Hi lawdem_atlanta!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[elf]

40. Welcome

from Alpharetta!:toast:

[DemsAreAlwaysRight]

25. So what parts do you have an issue with?

Which item are causing you such pain? Which ones have made your life miserable?

[LTR]

26. I think it's the porn star prom date thing

:evilgrin:

[buycitgo]

63. part that's making my life miserable is

having to read crap from moranskis that can't even make their way to freepcity

[RetroLounge]

28. I suggest you change your thread title

and do a little research before ranting...

RL

[Syrinx]

32. isn't Feingold the only senator that voted against the stupid patriot act?

Feingold rocks. :rocks:

[loyalsister]

33. As the only Democrat that voted to confirm Ashcroft

I would think that Feingold would have a nagging conscience. He must be working on something. I'm glad he was smart enough to vote against the PA.

[lastliberalintexas]

39. Not true

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=1&vote=00008


Although it is strange that he and Byrd voted with that group of Dems on this. Some peole believe that the president should be given more latitude when it comes to his cabinet appointments since they are not for life. Feingold has stood firm against Shrub's nominees to the bench, thankfully, since they are appointments for life.

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[bobthedrummer]

36. Your insults to my Senator won't prevent me and other Wisconsinites

from re-electing him, he would make a great President someday too.
Senator Russ Feingold can be reached by phoning DC(202)224-5323 or WI(608)828-1200 if you want to tell him to fuck off or offer support for his candidacy.

[Cocoa]

37. I trust Feingold on the Patriot Act

he's a lawyer, his opponent Darrow is a car salesman.

[shoelace414]

44. Car salesman

And all three of his opponents are trying to ride Bush's coat tails. "he didn't give the president the tools he needed to fight the war on terror"

I wonder if it'll backfire.

[Jim__]

38. Reading the Patriot Act and know ing what it says are 2 different things

In large part, it's a series of amendments to existing laws. An excerpt from The Patriot Act:

SEC. 104. REQUESTS FOR MILITARY ASSISTANCE TO ENFORCE PROHIBITION IN CERTAIN EMERGENCIES.
Section 2332e of title 18, United States Code, is amended--
(1) by striking `2332c' and inserting `2332a'; and
(2) by striking `chemical'.
SEC. 105. EXPANSION OF NATIONAL ELECTRONIC CRIME TASK FORCE INITIATIVE.
The Director of the United States Secret Service shall take appropriate actions to develop a national network of electronic crime task forces, based on the New York Electronic Crimes Task Force model, throughout the United States, for the purpose of preventing, detecting, and investigating various forms of electronic crimes, including potential terrorist attacks against critical infrastructure and financial payment systems.
SEC. 106. PRESIDENTIAL AUTHORITY.
Section 203 of the International Emergency Powers Act (50 U.S.C. 1702) is amended--
(1) in subsection (a)(1)--
(A) at the end of subparagraph (A) (flush to that subparagraph), by striking `; and' and inserting a comma and the following:
`by any person, or with respect to any property, subject to the jurisdiction of the United States;';
(B) in subparagraph (B)--
(i) by inserting `, block during the pendency of an investigation' after `investigate'; and
(ii) by striking `interest;' and inserting `interest by any person, or with respect to any property, subject to the jurisdiction of the United States; and';
(C) by striking `by any person, or with respect to any property, subject to the jurisdiction of the United States`; and
(D) by inserting at the end the following:
`(C) when the United States is engaged in armed hostilities or has been attacked by a foreign country or foreign nationals, confiscate any property, subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, of any foreign person, foreign organization, or foreign country that he determines has planned, authorized, aided, or engaged in such hostilities or attacks against the United States; and all right, title, and interest in any property so confiscated shall vest, when, as, and upon the terms directed by the President, in such agency or person as the President may designate from time to time, and upon such terms and conditions as the President may prescribe, such interest or property shall be held, used, administered, liquidated, sold, or otherwise dealt with in the interest of and for the benefit of the United States, and such designated agency or person may perform any and all acts incident to the accomplishment or furtherance of these purposes.'; and
(2) by inserting at the end the following:
`(c) CLASSIFIED INFORMATION- In any judicial review of a determination made under this section, if the determination was based on classified information (as defined in section 1(a) of the Classified Information Procedures Act) such information may be submitted to the reviewing court ex parte and in camera. This subsection does not confer or imply any right to judicial review.'.

[AP]

43. Jeezus. He voted against it. He was the only one. He gave something

like four floor speeches on specific sections he didn't like.

His big thing was that he wanted parts of it to be subject to state laws, requiring 50 different interpretations of its provisions.

[LynneSin]

45. Would have been nice if he voted AGAINST Ashcroft

I'm still bitter over that one!

[shoelace414]

47. Voting

His response about voting for Ashcroft is because he is a presidential advisor. The President has to be given the most latitude when appointing them.

something to the effect..

[beavus]

46. Feingold is going to take Ashcroft's job

Russ is an excellent lawyer and he is a genius.

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[matcom]

56. BRING.IT.ON.

let's go.

[matcom]

57. kick. why don't you wanna keep this kicked now?

you were all gun ho before!!!!!!!!

:shrug:

[Wonk]

58. You've been doing that just fine. Keep it up. Have fun with it. nt

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[Beaverhausen]

50. the trailer for Michael Moore's new movie

shows several senators saying they never read it...that they never read any of the bills they sign.

Maybe this fact will finally come into the light of day.

:eyes:

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[matcom]

54. you are 100% correct

and yesterday, he backed down. folded. sucked ass.

that's MY opinion. deal with it

[ikojo]

55. I doubt John Kerry read it before he voted for it.....

As a matter of fact I seem to recall that the whole thing was drafted while the Senate office buildings were closed due to the anthrax scare.


I don't think ANY of the scum suckers read the PATRIOT Act.


Why should they after all NO ONE THEY know will be subject to it.

One set of laws for the powerful and well connected and another for the rest of us.

[Moderator]

64. Locking

the issue has been clarified and is being made personal.