Is it ok to link to From the Wilderness? Interesting. Coup D'etat.

[madfloridian]

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/060804_coup_detat.html
The Real Reason Tenet and Pavitt Resigned from the
CIA on June 3rd and 4th

Bush, Cheney Indictments in Plame Case Looming

by
Michael C. Ruppert

additional reporting by
Wayne Madsen from Washington
SNIP..."Both resignations, perhaps soon to be followed by resignations from Colin Powell and his deputy Richard Armitage, are about the imminent and extremely messy demise of George W. Bush and his Neocon administration in a coup d'etat being executed by the Central Intelligence Agency. The coup, in the planning for at least two years, has apparently become an urgent priority as a number of deepening crises threaten a global meltdown.

Based upon recent developments, it appears that long-standing plans and preparations leading to indictments and impeachment of Bush, Cheney and even some senior cabinet members have been accelerated, possibly with the intent of removing or replacing the entire Bush regime prior to the Republican National Convention this August.

FTW has been documenting this Watergate-like coup for more than fifteen months and almost everything we will discuss about recent events was by us predicted in detail in these pages. Please see our stories "The Perfect Storm - Part I" (March 2003); "Blood in the Water" (July 2003); "Beyond Bush - Part I" (July 2003); "Waxman Ties Evidentiary Noose Around Rice and Cheney" (July 2003); and "Beyond Bush - Part II" (October 2003).END SNIP

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Ruppert is right a lot of the time, but I know some here find it controversial.

I thought this was quite interesting.

[Wapsie B]

1. Holy smokes.

This article renders me speechless.


"possibly with the intent of removing or replacing the entire Bush regime prior to the Republican National Convention this August."

[madfloridian]

2. Do you remember when Tinoire posted about hearing they ......

might not run Bush this time. I think it was in a Bilderberg thread. Something about the conference deciding.
Something is going on.

[Wapsie B]

3. I remember reading posts here

from some who've said that * wouldn't even be on the ticket. That claim has been repeated numerous times.
I think something IS going on. This might be the one time in chimpy's life where even Poppy can't clean up his mess. He may have to actually have to answer for something. World Court would suit me fine. I don't want him just resigning. I want the whole lot of 'em in the Hague.

[BeFree]

5. I'm surprised

Can't understand how he's lasted this long. Do ya think he'll make it til the end of June?

So, who they gonna fit for the strings? Frist? I'd bet McCain.

Surely they are looking over how Ford was fitted so they can get a leg up and be ready at a moments notice.

[frank frankly]

6. yep. it is happening.

right now. i'm still reading the piece. amazing. i've read every installment so far.

he sure has been proving right in the mainstream with peak oil.

i bet he's right about this, too.

if he is, we will see soon.

[frank frankly]

4. it is happening

Ruppert is damn good.

[Duncan Grant]

7. Wait a second...

the CIA is executing a coup? It's been 'in the planning for at least two years'? I'm seeing a red flag on my first reading. Isn't that treason? (I'm not endorsing the current * regime, btw.)

I'll re-read for a better comprehension but this creates more questions for me than answers (or thrills, for that matter). Should I believe that the CIA is setting the administration up in order to restore credibility and democracy to this country? Whoa.

Maybe I'm too tired to grasp it tonight. Anyone else need a little help here?

[frank frankly]

8. it is strange to rout for the CIA. i hope that the patriots within it

finally exercise the neocons and Bush cabal.

[Duncan Grant]

12. That would set a rather dubious precedent, wouldn't it?

How do we decide when it's okay to unleash a shadow gov't upon the executive branch? Who's really benefiting here?

This is something that deserves serious f*cking thought. The implications are terrifying. :scared:

[maggrwaggr]

20. No, what's terrifying is Bushco

they got in illegally, they can be thrust out illegally.

I really don't care. I want them out.

Don't you remember those spooks on Nightline, back when the Plame story broke? How they were all saying how they were registered republicans, yet they all couldn't believe it that a president (and company) had actually done what had been done?

I don't think guys like that would take this sitting down.

Along with the military, who is ready to tie Rumsfeld and the other civvies to several nice heavy boat anchors .....

[Duncan Grant]

30. I'd love to see them ousted!

I want to be sitting in the courtroom of the Hague when * shuffles in in shackles.

I just hope the spooks are people of principle, otherwise we have an entirely different shit storm to contend with. Not that the current 'Jesus is my co-pilot', 'where are my horsemen of the Apocalypse' terror we currently have is something to write home about.

[bpilgrim]

22. that is so 12-13-2000

we are a nation of LAWS and they have broken the law and will be dealt with the pros are only guilty of making sure they got enough rope.

peace

[Duncan Grant]

28. bpilgrim...

I don't hold any love for this administration. I just have serious questions about the motivation of 'the pros'. What would stop them from meeting secretly to give enough rope to a legitimate administration? That's my real concern here.

[Robbien]

33. I am beginning to see your concern

If the forged Niger documents were in fact forged by the CIA, that means the CIA was planning this coup since November of 2001. Even with the stolen election, the unnecessary taxcut and the privatization of the government, BushCo really didn't do anything which merited a coup at that time.

edit: Cheney did do that Energy Task Force thuggery which had me pretty pissed, but that still doesn't warrant a coup. Especially at that time the Senate was still in the hands of the Democrats and we still had separation of powers and had other options.

[KoKo]

58. Where do the "Anthrax" attacks on Dems fit in? Ruppert doesn't talk

about that and why the FBI hasn't found the culpret. What if it's collusion between CIA/FBI? :shrug:

Rupperts always a good read, but there are some things which don't quite connect in his suppostion. But, his speculation on some parts of what has been going on do make sense.

[Just Me]

63. Hammering the neocons for high crimes/misdemeanors is a GOOD

thing. I don't think the term "coup" is appropriate. An "accountability plan", holding these people legally accountable for every notorious thing they have done in contradiction to the laws of this country and in betrayal of its people is a very noble endeavor in my view.

I am glad this is happening before an uncertain election where this administration may prove to be capable of extreme measures in order to maintain power. They have done so much freakin' damage already.

[Beam Me Up]

34. I understand your concern, 94114, and I wonder

if you grasp the significance. What was it, two weeks ago that the elected but not installed President of the United States, Al Gore, IN AN UNPRECEDENTED MOVE called for Republicans and Democrats to come together and DEMAND THE RESIGNATION OF ALMOST THE ENTIRE CABANET FOR REASONS OF NATIONAL SECURITY?

He wasn't joking. He wasn't making a hyperbolic political statement. The men occupying the White House of the United States of America ARE A THREAT TO THIS NATION'S SECURITY.

This is an unprecedented situation. It is vitally important to our national interests that this situation be CONTAINED without getting out of hand.

I support those elements within the CIA who are actively opposing the house of Bush -- and, if I might add by extension, the house of Saud. I think Mr. Ruppert makes it quite clear in his closing statement that there is no guarantee that whatever government follows will truly represent the interest of the common citizen. This is a whole OTHER dialogue we are yet going to have to have -- once the house of Bush is no more.

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[Duncan Grant]

42. Then let it be deft - and swift.

And late last summer Gore spoke of the "cultural cold war" - prescient wasn't it?

Ok, I'll play along. I just want the satisfaction of *really* finding out how all this power was channeled to *Co. Even Kerry has told me to quit crying in my teacups about it. Not to mention how that comment would add another inexplicable plot twist to this mess...

:hi: Good luck this weekend!

[Beam Me Up]

47. I'm slightly optimistic due to this counter coup in play

The people in power in the executive branch of this country right now are utterly without principal. What is taking place offers, to my way of thinking at least, A WINDOW OF OPPORTUNITY, for new ideas, new vision, to be heard. At least for a little while.

I've come to believe that the human race is, or very soon will be, facing a crisis of SURVIVAL LEVEL importance. One need not go into strange "conspiracy theory" territory; Noam Chomsky's "Hegemony or Survival" focuses the issues. It really is coming down to a choice between our survival as a species and the STRUCTURE OF HUMAN SOCIETY as it is currently constituted. We either create a new, global civilization that allows for the rich cultural diversity of human history, or we loose civilization all together. In the mean time there is also the fact that however we choose to face it or fear it, the time of cheap oil is now and forever past -- and THAT is something we ALL are going to have to bare.

Thanks for the good wishes!

[calimary]

51. They already have their OWN shadow government - alive and kicking.

Just ask "president" cheney and his dancing OSP and stovepipe pals, and that nice Chalabi guy.

Hell, these people were into operating shadow governments within the regular governments back in Reagan's day. Anybody remember Iran/Contra?

[Robbien]

10. When Cheney set up his shadow intelligence unit

it put the official intelligence units in jeopardy. That puts the country in jeopardy.

Yes, the CIA needs to take down this threat to the country. In this case it is the squatters in the executive branch.

[Duncan Grant]

15. So what happens when they get pissed off at our side?

Three branches of government, checks and balances, etc.

I'm not so naive as to underestimate the leverage of the corporate/fascist machine upon political systems but really, a coup?! Talk about the lesser of two evils!

[Robbien]

23. What side?

If the executive branch of the government is endangering the country it is the CIA's duty to protect the country.

What side are you talking about when you say our side? That is my country's executive branch, so by definition it is my side.

[Duncan Grant]

27. Clarification:

Under what circumstances will it be acceptable to execute a coup against a Democratic President? BTW, your side is my side.

[Robbien]

29. It would be the same circumstances for either party

If the executive branch (or any other branch) of our government deliberately harms the economy and safety of our citizens, it should be removed.

I do not care what party is in power at the time.

It is scary though that the CIA is the one who may be planning to do the removal. But there is no other removal options available. Especially if the BBV is fixed.

[Rosco T.]

41. Rather the CIA than...

.. a full blown military coup d'etat. This way it can look as if the bumbling fools did it to themselves and 'the Rule of Law' (oh, how I'm gonna love hearing them rub that in again and again) took care of the problem, rather than armed troops storming the White House.

[calimary]

52. Especially if the bad guys have otherwise stacked the deck.

They own the Senate and the House, PLUS the White House and most of the Supreme Court. AND the media. Not ONE of these has functioned as any checks and balances. Not ONE of these has functioned as a watchdog group, to keep the excesses in another arena contained. Not ONE. So I guess that means we are indeed left with the CIA.

Hey, if that's what it's gonna take, bring 'em on. Because these thugs and criminals MUST be removed.

[For PaisAn]

11. Read on

You asked
"Should I believe that the CIA is setting the administration up in order to restore credibility and democracy to this country? Whoa."

The article explains the CIA's intent:
...snip...
The Bush administration has proved itself to be an insular group of inept, dishonest and dangerous CEO's of the corporation known as America. They have become very bad for business and the Board of Directors is now taking action. Make no mistake, the CIA works for "The Board" - Wall Street and big money. The long-term (very corrupt and unethical) agenda of the Board, in the face of multiple worsening global crises, was intended to proceed far beyond the initially destructive war in Iraq, toward an effective reconstruction and a strategic response to Peak Oil. But the neocons have stalled at the ugly stage: killing hundreds of thousands of people; destroying Iraq's industrial and cultural infrastructure as their own bombs and other people's RPGs blow everything up; getting caught running torture camps; and making the whole world intensely dislike America.

These jerks are doing real damage to their masters' interests."
...snip...

Tenet may have just had with falling on his sword.
Also, you don't mess with the CIA and outing an agent is just a total f..k-up on Bush & Co.'s part.

[Duncan Grant]

21. So, it's not about restoring 'democracy' but rather, credibility.

We should believe that the credibility is needed purely for economic/corporate reasons. The business of America is business.
Does that just about sum it up?

We still have the problem of a coup executed by the intelligence community. That may not be such a good thing is all I'm saying.

[RafterMan]

37. Well, "coup" is a dramatic word

From what he's describing, it looks more like a Marion Barry scenario writ large -- Bush and Cheney grabbed the pipe and smoked themselves silly, now the CIA is passing out pictures. It's not how anyone wants government run, but nobody wants government run by a couple of crackheads, either.

I was really hoping the bureaucracy would step up and do something to check Bush before the Iraq war, but better late that never.

[Duncan Grant]

43. Think STING not coup. Coup is only a literary device.

That's where I initially got stuck RafterMan. It's perhaps more similar to a "sting". I could live with a sting. (mood improves dramatically - upbeat even)

All of us have been watching the drip, drip, drip for so long now. When it does come tumbling down, I want it to be clean, indisputible, and total. :hi:

[leftofthedial]

13. not treason if the worst some of us believe

about the bushgang's illegitimacy

the existence of a "shadow government"

the basic corruption of America by the MIC

the rise of the corporatist state

are true

if these are true, it's just an internal power struggle among factions within the actual rulership of the country.

[dpbrown]

18. Actually, it reads that the CIA works for Wall Street

And Bush broke up the CIA's info-net into ARAMCO, holder of 25% of the world's oil. Ruppert isn't hopeful that what follows Bush is going to be good, just that the CIA sees him as a danger to world stability - not that the CIA is the "good guys."

[Duncan Grant]

24. Clarity on the motivation - thanks!

<the CIA sees him as a danger to world stability - not that the CIA is the "good guys."> Exactly and no one's hands will be clean in all of this (if there's really any 'this' to it).

Thanks - :hi:

[wabeewoman]

31. I think that is what the CIA does

coups....and they have never worried about the legality of them before-granted they haven't been in American -that we know about. I would not put anything past the CIA or the FBI. Besides if it is what the powers that be want, I'm sure its OK (sarcasm).

[Cronus Protagonist]

46. Enforcing the law is not a coup, not anywhere near it

It's a bit colorful to call it a "coup", possibly the word is being used for dramatic effect, but law enforcement actions are operating *within* the legal structure of the country, whereas a coup, by definition, is extralegal and extraconstitutional, like what the Supreme Court did in Selection 2000.

I still think 5 justices should be indicted and removed from office.

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[Robbien]

9. Wondering why the question about it being okay to post from

the wilderness?

This is a great article. Thanks for posting because it is fascinating and raises many questions. But why ask if it is okay to post?

[madfloridian]

16. I have found it credible, a few here in the past have not.

Some used to get pretty passionate about it..... Ruppert is right most of the time, and he has good research.

[Beam Me Up]

14. Mike Ruppert is one of the BEST

He takes risks other journalists who haven't also been cops wouldn't take. Of course this also sometimes gets him in a heap of trouble other journalists would know to side step. BUT SO WHAT?! He has been working at BATTLING THE OCTOPUS for a long time and he should be heard and taken seriously.

GO MIKE! :thumbsup:

[madfloridian]

17. That is how I feel.

:hi:

[frank frankly]

19. well said

right on!

[wtf]

25. I only just started reading..

and I've already learned something I didn't know.

..that the leak also destroyed a long-term CIA proprietary intelligence gathering operation which, as we will see, was of immense importance to US strategic interests at a critical moment.

[Octafish]

26. Four out of four stars. Harold Rhode, too, Salin!

Heck of an article by ol' Ruppert. Home run.

CU later, Bush Organized Crime Family!



"Hey, Coppers! You dirty 'Rats!
I ain't goin' down without a fight.
Yeah, see!?"

We'll see. From the excellent FTW article:

Chalabi's leak has once again forced Iran to change equipment, resulting in impaired U.S. intelligence gathering of Iran's sensitive communications. The probe into the Chalabi leak is centering on Pentagon officials who have been close to Chalabi, including Office of Net Assessment official Harold Rhode, Director of Policy and Plans officials Douglas Feith and William Luti, Undersecretary for Intelligence Stephen Cambone, and Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz. In addition, some former Pentagon advisers are also targeted in the probe.

Edyt: Tiipo

[wabeewoman]

32. Question for you financial wizards...

is this the kind of thing that would explain the huge increase in money M3 or such, I think they call it? I've been reading it would take a crisis and people were speculating that the government knows one is upcoming.

[Rosco T.]

35. Well, the impeachment and/or resignation of ...

The President, The Vice President, Sec of State, Sec of Defense, National Security Advisor and their underlings 3-4 months before the election... duh... I think that would classify as a 'crisis' don't you???

[madfloridian]

36. I have been hearing that and am concerned.

Two of our sons are really into the stock market, and they are following the line that the economy is booming.

[Robbien]

38. I believe the increase in M3 is just a preparation for

a rapid interest rate increase by Greenspan come August. We need the money in the system now to help offset the interest rate effect. It won't help though.

But that is just my guess.

[DaveSZ]

44. Ruppert

What has he been right about before?

:)

[Beam Me Up]

39. You may be on to something there. Hadn't thought of that. n/t

[neomonkey]

40. Michael Ruppert

He can be heard this Thursday night in a "round table" Coast to Coast... the subject is secret societies, but the subject invariably jumps around when George Noory feels so inclined.


http://www.coasttocoastam.com/

[oblivious]

45. This bit about Executive Privilige interests me w/the CIA resignations.

The CIA is an independent agency under the Executive Branch, right? Could the resignations of Tenet and Pavitt be related to this? Ruppert doesn't come out and say so, but it makes you wonder. They can now give testimony in a case against Mr Bush. They couldn't before.

From the article:
Last and final clue: Under Executive Privilege, a principle intended to protect the constitutional separation of powers, officials in the Executive Branch cannot give testimony in a legal case against a sitting President. The Bush administration has invoked or threatened to invoke the privilege several times. Dick did it over the secret records of his energy task force and George Bush tried to use it to prevent Condoleezza Rice from testifying before the "Independent" Commission investigating September 11th.

Former officials of the Executive Branch are, however, free to testify if they are no longer holding a government office when subpoenaed or when the charges are brought.

[KoKo]

61. Yes, that popped out in the article to me also. He expects Powell

to resign soon, also. Powell's PR Machine has been spinning full time in Woodward's book (Woodward always talks about Powell favorably) and in leaks to the Newspapers. Powell has been distanced from this in the Memo leaks where the articles always say that "State Department and CIA" didn't go along with Bush's authorizing torture.

Powell has his career and that of his hideous, pompous ass son, Michael over at FCC to think about. Cover their ass is what's going on.

[HootieMcBoob]

62. If we see Powell resign sometime this summer

then I'll will know for sure that something is seriously up.

The fact that Bush has been talking to a Lawyer who handled all of those previous criminal cases is a big deal. However, I'll know the worm has really turned when we see major players within the Republican party begin to distance themselves from the Bush administration specifically and the neo-cons generally in a real way. So far as far as I can tell they're all still in lockstep.

[Robbien]

48. The part about Peak Oil is troubling

The answer to the Saudi peak question will determine whether Saudi Arabia really can increase production quickly, as promised. If they can't, then the US economy is going to suffer bitterly, and it is certain that the Saudi monarchy will collapse into chaos. Then the nearby US military will occupy the oilfields and the U.S. will ultimately Balkanize the country by carving off the oil fields - which occupy only a small area near the East coast. That U.S. enclave would then provide sanctuary to the leading members of the royal family who will have agreed to keep their trillions invested in Wall Street so the US economy doesn't collapse.

So far the Saudis haven't had to prove that they could increase production due to convenient terror attacks at oil fields, and more "debates" within OPEC.

And because Bush went into a hissy fit and outed Plame, Plame and the CIA no longer have the CIA covert cover to determine if Peak Oil is here or not. It is interesting Ruppert labeled the oil fields attacks "convenient".

[oblivious]

49. He doesn't explain why the Saudi monarchy will collapse.

If they can't increase production quickly, supposedly prices will continue to rise, and that can only be good for the monarchy. Am I missing something?

[durutti]

50. Ruppert is wrong about at least one thing...

Rice sat on the board of Chevron, not Exxon-Mobil.

Personally, I think the guy is a nut and not particularly credible.

[JackDragna]

53. The president will face charges on this stuff..

..just as soon as Margaret Thatcher wins the heavyweight boxing championship. These are Republicans, folks. Republicans don't get prosecuted and they don't go to prison at the national level unless they're some nobody chucklehead.

[dusty64]

54. Sure why not.

With this regime nothing is really "tin foil" to me.

[Joanne98]

55. I was going to post this.

I thought it was interesting that Ruppert thinks they're going to take Bushco down BEFORE the Republican convention. This might also explain who leaked the torture memos. I just hope we reach the "tipping point" soon. I'm getting tired of all the near misses. I'd give my eye teeth to see them all in chains. I'd like to see the Bush name scraped off the CIA headquarters too.

[Q]

56. I can't believe that some are actually advocating a 'coup' by the CIA...

...Isn't this going a bit far to get rid of a corrupt executive branch? It's NOT the job or duty of the intelligence services to 'correct' the missing checks and balances. This is the duty of congress and the judicial branch. Specifically...it's the job of the opposition party if the party in power is incapable.

- Congress is simply not doing their jobs and this 'coup' lets them off the hook. This is not the way Democracy is suppose to work and it smells like third world intrigue to me.

[KoKo]

64. Q, since we know congress hasn't been doing it's job, it's possible that

that "other agencies" had to step in. There are "career" people in govt. who may be as upset at what's been going on as we here are. Since Congress is pretty much bought and paid for, and has given the Chimp totally authority to do anything he wanted, including invading a sovereign country on fake evidence, it would seem they are pretty ineffective. I think a few good people are still in Congress, mainly the "black caucus" and some others like Byrd who tried to stand up against Bush. It's possible some of them have worked with other Govt. agencies to stage a "coup."

Although, there are holes in Rupperts reporting and he gets some conncetions wrong, he makes some interesting connections, I think.

[LWolf]

57. Interesting read.

One thought:

I don't want to see * removed from office before the repub convention or the election. No need to rush any investigation. It would not benefit us in the long run to give the republicans an opportunity to find a cleaner, more palatable candidate to run against Kerry. Slow but inexorable will get the job done.

[HootieMcBoob]

59. kick n/t

:kick:

[John_H]

60. Sigh....I wish. But it ain't that easy.

The memo leaks are classic rove, and nobody is going give up the goods to that Grand jury of Chimp were involved.

[Null Pointer]

65. Fascinating...

Unlikely that he'd be indicted or impeached, but fascinating nonetheless.