Poor Nancy.

[Cleita]

She looked like she really wanted to throw herself on the casket a couple of times, but then she held back. Now I know WASPs don't do that sort of thing. But how could a little emotion like that hurt? God when my husband dies I'm going to grieve openly. Screw this stiff upper lip crap.

[CityZen-X]

1. Phuck Nancy!

Just say NO!!!!!!

[diamond14]

14. I'll second that....this is about the 20th 'poor nancy' thread

it's getting real old....nancy lived on BLOOD MONEY, no one should cheer for those who drain the life out of people least able to defend themselves....nancy's drug program put MILLIONS into prison for life, destroyed millions of families...KILLED a lot of people...

BTW....nancy never took care of reaguns...we, the taxpayers did...and nancy had maids, servants, care-takers, physical therapists, medical doctors and piles of BLOOD MONEY, the whole time...

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[SCRUBDASHRUB]

4. I thought when she was walking into the Capitol she was going to pass out.

[diamond14]

17. none of her children were there....that says a LOT about nancy's

character and family-value-break up marriages with affairs, divorce, and illegitimate children......

her children showed the world today that nancy doesn't even deserve their presence....

[SCRUBDASHRUB]

41. Her kids were inside the Capitol.

[diamond14]

50. good, "inside the Capital" means nancy's children were NOT with HER......

she walked without her own children and without her step-children...guess they didn't care about her, preferring to show the world what she's worth....glad nancy's children sat in the air-conditioned Capital selfishly ignoring their mother...we all should be proud of them for standing up and sending the world a message about their nasty mom....


nancy smiling, laughing, waving to the ALL WHITE military families and mercenary war-profiteers, paid-for with OUR taxes and bussed into the 85% BLACK city of DC...nancy walks without her own children...and does a B-rated drama...

[kerry-is-my-prez]

57. I'm sure it was Nancy's doing... She calls the shots and isn't timid.

I think she wanted the spotlight and the glory to herself and didn't want to share in it. Either that or she didn't feel that the kids were of that much importance when it came to his life. I had heard that they were totally ga-ga over each other and basically ignored the kids.

[misanthrope]

3. I guess I'm just a jerk...

...because everytime I look at her, all I think about is her affecting a couple of worn wardrobe accessories and mincing around a Washington DC banquet singing "Second Hand Rose," an obvious mockery of the poor and the homeless that her husband was casting into the streets. She and all her little sycophants just giggled and laughed, they had a grand time while veterans were starving out in the gutter.

[Cleita]

7. She probably believed like many conservatives that those

people did those things to themselves because they made bad choices. I can't believe that people still think that way but I heard someone on the radio say that again today about the working poor. Yes, she and they should know better and I'm sure RR did know better but it suited his policies to say stuff like that.

[diamond14]

20. WE feel that way..nancy was totally rotten to make fun of the poor

AND OUR Veterans are still laying homeless all over the streets of DC...18,000 homeless and of those, 60% are OUR Veterans...so YES, we care...even if you and nancy don't....WE DO...

there is NOTHING compassionate about what nancy did...and just to prove it to you...nancy's own children refused to be there for her today...because she was nasty to her own children, broke up ronnie's first marriage with children, bore an illigitimate child to seal-the-deal and guarantee that ronnie could never return to his true love...nancy is a very nasty person, today she PLAYED ACTRESS again...as the homeless Veterans lay in the streets around the parade....

[Cleita]

27. Please don't say I don't care about the homeless because I do.

I have put threads up on DU about it which have sunk into oblivion because not even many DU'ers care. I do what I can to help, but I can't change what has become institutionalized by myself. I do trace homelessness back to Reagan's policies, but he had plenty of help, both directly and from ommission of those who should have cared and looked away. I once suggested at my local Democratic Club that the local ranchers put up the homeless on their acreage to help them get back on their feet and I have been treated rather cooley ever since then.

[diamond14]

33. well, the first step would be to stop posting 'poor nancy' threads...

because that effort continues to perpetrate the BIG myth of 'compassionate slave-drivers and war-profiteers, cheap-labor conservatives)...that enough has been done for those brain-damaged, war-wounded Veterans...and POOR NANCY...POOR NANCY...POOR NANCY...with the HUGE implication that nancy was right to 'let them eat cake'...and of course, your point is that homelessness was not reaguns fault, it was the fault of those who didn't do anything about his policies? right?


oh oh oh...POOR NANCY....POOR NANCY....POOR NANCY...POOR NANCY...

BTW...I never said that you don't care about the homeless...your headline is a LIE....

IMO, you have simply looked in the mirror, and saw yourself...don't blame me...that's real nancy-nasty....

[Cleita]

36. Who pissed on your cheerios this morning?

All that hate is going to make you sick.

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[Cleita]

42. Peace.

Think what you like. I personally don't think the French Revolution was a great time to be alive. A lot of innocent people got executed with the guilty ones because of the hate and blood frenzy going on. In the end, nothing changed. They just got Napoleon to replace Louis XVI.

[TankLV]

54. Don't know what that poster said because it was deleted before I got here.

But with reference to the French and Russian revolutions - I now understand and completely agree with what was done.

I used to think how awful and horrible what they did. Now, haveing seen what has transpired with the way the repukes have acted since regaining power, I honestly can understand and concure with what happened.

Sometimes the only way to rid ourselves of the prooven totally evil takes extreme measures.

There will come a time again, unfortunately, when this will happen.

As for her grief, if it is genuine, she is in a horrible space, especially if she is feeling at all what my Mom and Aunt felt at the death of their husbands - my father and his identical twin. There were simply devestated.

But they were B movie actors, and somehow, based on all the phoneyness of their entire idle useless lives, I would bet she's doing and oscar performance, too.

Could be either way - 50-50.

And you just know damn well that she's only concerned about Alzheimers because ronnie had it - if he didn't - she wouldn't even know how to pronounce the term! Let's now fool anywone here about her "great noble undertaking" hogwash.

[diamond14]

49. hahahaha....you must be looking at your own cheerios...

because you certainly can't see mine....hahahahahahahahaha....

nobody gets sick from STANDING UP for the poor, the sick and the homeless...in fact...I am happy and proud of my stand for OUR Veterans, for the sick, and the poor and all those who need help...

those who perpetrate, cheer, and enable cheap-labor-conservatives are the ones who make themselves sick...case in point is today's parade....

[Skittles]

8. she made me sick too

all she ever did was sport designer outfits and lead her dipshit husband around by a leash. Some call it a "great love story". :puke:

[calimary]

12. Actually, that was at one of the White House Correspondents' Dinners

or similar big affair. She did it to spoof herself. It was a play on the designer clothes and jewelry and other accessories and lifestyle trappings that had become her trademarks - AT A TIME when Reagan's policies were having an adverse impact on the poor and needy. She took LOTS of heat for being sort of a latter-day Marie Antoinette while so many others had to make do with far less. It wasn't an overt mockery of the less fortunate, although I can understand why it might be taken that way.

Not that I'm a complete Nancy Reagan fan, or ever had been. I thought she was inappropriately imperious back then, too. I feel sympathy for her now, and I do appreciate how she's chosen to get in the bushies' faces over the stem-cell research issue.

She brought the house down, by the way.

[misanthrope]

58. I don't care...

...if they lifted her on their shoulders and paraded her around the room, it was still abhorrent. Stating everyone else's complicity doesn't make it right.

If she was really looking for self-effacement, she would have performed something that portrayed her as an exagerration of her actual self, perhaps a number emphasizing materialism or power lust. But, I have a feeling that would be a bit too close for comfort.

What she did was to mock someone else's station in life.

[demnan]

5. Well regardless of politics

A long time marriage like that doesn't end with a death until both partners are ready to let go. That's what the hospice nurse told me about my parents. So my guess is he left when she was ready to let go, and thus the stoic countenance.

That observation has nothing to do with how I feel about the Reagans politically - just how two people married 50+ years are.

[Oddman]

6. I don't expect Nancy to be around much longer

she'll fade fast. . .

[Cleita]

9. Yeah, my aunt, who was a doormat adorer of my uncle died

a year after he did. After she spent a lifetime living her life for him, she didn't have an identity after he died.

[RummyTheDummy]

28. No link but I once read something about a study

That showed of couples married 50 years or more, the widow/widower died within two years of their partner in a substantial number of cases.

[Norbert]

11. I disagree.

She will be around long enough to give bu$h and the conservative Jesus freaks fits over stem cell research.

[louis c]

35. absolutely correct

[Tellurian]

40. Yep, Nancy has a plan...

and that plan includes cutting the Bushes a new one!

[diamond14]

30. we Americans pay a fortune for her maids, nurses, doctors and top

drawer medical care...she'll be around as long as we keep paying her exorbitant costs of upkeep....

we payed MILLIONS OF DOLLARS for ronnies death...MILLIONS...and nancy won't mind at all to steal the money from OUR taxes and OUR children and vaccines, medicines and more...in order that she live in luxury and totally at our expenses...her BLOOD MONEY is just icing on the cake...

sadly, with OUR support, she's going live for a long long time and milk us for everything she can...

[GiovanniC]

38. If She Can Get a Reversal of the Stem Cell Decision

Then she can live until she's 175 years old as far as I'm concerned. It's the single most important medical advance to date, and it's being stifled by religious nutcases who care more about a lifeless cluster of cells that are just going to be destroyed anyway than they care about countless people with conditions like Parkinsons, Alzheimers, paralysis, multiple sclerosis, muscular dystrophy, diabetes and countless other diseases that stem cells have the potential to ERADICATE.

When smallpox was wiped out, it was called the greatest medical achievement of our time. Think what can happen with the help of stem cells.

Nancy Reagan has the unique potential to change the minds of many Republicans who we can clearly see idolize Ronnie.

[diamond14]

10. empty streets...her own children did NOT walk with her....PHOTOS

empty streets, few people cared, no BLACK people in a city with 85% Blacks...


nancy smiles and waves at the ALL-WHITE bussed-in military families, mostly at the little area near the White House...nancy's own children are NOTICIBLY MISSING...

[sallyseven]

13. I remember her very well

didn't like her much but felt a pang of sympathy for her when I saw her tonight. 50 year 25 years not much different. It is a loss that everyone will feel sooner or later. Their spouse will die and they will have to go on alone. She looked so frail. Been there done that never want to do that again.

[dflprincess]

16. My mother commented on the missing children

Then concluded she didn't want them taking the spotlight off her - even when she went up to casket in the rotunda (escorted by Cheney) she went without the kids.

I noticed Michael was the only child who went up to casket after Nancy left. (Which is when Dan Rather quoted Michael as having said "My father was a man who never hurt anyone." Hellooo Mikey, what about all those people who wound up homeless? )

Jackie did it all so much better - and faster.

[diamond14]

26. it tells the World a LOT, when your own children don't care about you

nancy was never a family-values person...she was absolutely vicious to her step-children...and nasty to America's children, who are now all grown up and also did NOT appear for that wicked woman...she walked alone and few showed up...just a few all-white military families and mercenary war-profiteers, in a city that is 85% Black....

nancy is so self-centered that her biggest deal today was some more of her sickening B-rated acting at the casket...anyone who has watched her career know well that all is simply acting, and BAD acting at that...

[TankLV]

56. Yep!

For my Father's, Mother's, Uncle's and Grandmothers' funerals we were the first to get there and the last to leave - we all were there THE WHOLE TIME!

This does speak volumes.

And virtually NO ONE at the sides of the streets in DC! HA!

Priceless!

[playahata1]

43. Damn, she looks FRAIL!

I hope she has enough strength, and enough time left, to take care of that unfinished business -- sticking it to the Bushies for good.

[Bertha Venation]

15. I gasped when she reached out & touched the casket at the top of

the stairs, before they took it inside. I thought that gesture was very emotional.

She looks like death eating a cracker. I feel for her. I am certain she's glad it's over, but my god, she spent so long -- like so many, many of us do -- caring for a beloved man whose mind was gone. I can't imagine the toll.

[RobinA]

19. I Feel For Her Too

She's a human being. And she just spent how many years doing not much besides caring for this ailing man, and now THIS all of a sudden. Plus, she's not a ypung woman herslef. I don't know if I could hold up at age 46, and she's maintaining at her age.

[Waverley_Hills_Hiker]

31. Yes, Ive seen photos of Nancy...it IS sad.

There was alot of emotion there. It was obvious she was really hurting with Ron gone. Gosh..what she must have went through with that Alzheimers.

By all accounts they where a very close couple.

[diamond14]

37. WE THE TAXPAYERS paid for ronnie's care...nancy never did a

thing to help him...she has TONS OF TAXPAYER MONEY...full 24 hour a day medical care...nurses, house-keepers, physical therapists and more, and the best medical care in the world...all paid for by us...many reported that in the last 5 years, nancy just pushed ronnie into a back room, never went in there, and had us taxpayer money provide for his really good care....

nancy has had her own life for a long time...and she never cared about ronnie...she just cared about herself, always, especially when she was in the public's WHITE HOUSE...it was real clear about how very selfish and nasty she really is....

if you want to see for yourself...look at how she stood alone, without her own children today....because she was always nasty to her step-children and her own kids were raised in hateful disfunctional family...the photos tell the story....not only were nancy's own children NOT there today in the parade, but neither were the children of America, now grown, the BLACK people who live in DC were all missing...they have grown up under the nasty hateful cheap-labor conservatives while nancy walked right over them, stealing their futures....nancy lived on BLOOD MONEY from the deaths of millions of Iranians, Iraqis and Central Americans...she broke up MILLIONS OF FAMILIES with her treacherous and racism drug program....

[Bertha Venation]

66. I am not talking about medical care, nursing, etc. Listen to me:

My grandmother has this disease, and I don't care for her -- the folks in her ALF do that.

I am talking about the kind of "caring" that involves loving someone whose body is there but mind is not. Many DUers have experienced this. Like it or not, we have something in common with this woman, and knowing that there's even one more person in the world who's gone through what we have hurts.

Back off me, amen. I have no quarrel with you or even with your opinion of the couple. I agree with much of what you wrote. But I am talking about loss, grief, and suffering. Because a person has done wrong does not mean it is okay to rejoice in their suffering.

You got me?

[Kanary]

18. I agree with you on a lot, Cleita, but NOT this

She was party to making so many other lives miserable, and she wants for nothing...... not even help with the smallest details of life.
Very few people will go through that sort of hardship with even a fraction of the kind of help and support that she had. Very many will have to make hard choices about putting their loved one in an institution because they are physically unable to care for them. Many, many will have to make choices between food and medication.

She propped up her husband when she KNEW he was in no mental condition to run a country.

No, she's lived a charmed life, and had no care for the pain her husband caused others.

Her stiff upper lip is her problem.

Kanary

[Cleita]

21. No argument from me on a lot of your points.

She definitely was part of the problem with enabling Ronnie as much as she did. And she certainly did live in an ivory tower unaware of the suffering around her. I have to take care of my husband alone without any help, so I do know what you are saying.

[FlaGranny]

45. Cleita,

I should keep out of this, but don't you realize you are NEVER allowed to feel sympathy for anyone who has ever done bad? You are supposed to "p*** on graves" and such. You are supposed to hold grudges and put curses on them forever. Hatred is good for you. Now, you just remember that. ;-)

[Kanary]

60. Your oblique reference to me is beyond the pale

*I've* never said any such thing, and insinuating that I did is uncalled for. Why in the world, when I went out of y way to speak gently to Cleita, would you want to try to stir up hostility that isn't there????

Y'know, granny, it's just this kind of hostility towards fellow dems that keeps our party down. Ya might want to give that some consideration.

As far as "feeling sympathy", you also might want to consider that SOME of us have been hurt very badly by the policies of those who "done bad" -- would there be any possibility of finding some room in YOUR heart for us/them?

Just something to ponder........

Kanary

[diamond14]

23. nancy lived off BLOOD MONEY....she cared for no one but herself

she said many nasty vicious things about others who would not stoop to her level...many Americans will not break up a marriage with young children...and then seal-the-deal with an illegitimate child to prevent ronnie from ever going back to his real wife and true love....nancy just power-played for fame and fortune...then danced around like a B-rated actress in multi-million dollar dresses as people lay starving outside the White House, shell-shocked and brain damaged from Vietnam, she demanded that they just stand up and get a job....she enabled ronnie to KILL millions in Iraq, Iran, and Central America...and LAUGHED ABOUT IT....

today, you can see, and the whole world can see, that nasty nancy reaguns...alone, without her children, and few people appear, just a few all-white military families and mercanary war-profiteers to jear and cheer....and there were plenty of both for that woman...

[bluedog]

22. The WH

They said she is staying at Blair housw.one would have thought they she would have been invited to stay in the WH...I feel that it would be the proper thing to do..

[diamond14]

29. hahahahaha.....shows how much anyone cares...if bush* can't use

reaguns to push his perpetual-WAR and KILLING campaign, then what good is nancy? her crap obviously hasn't impressed anyone, even her own reTHUGlican companions....

even kenny-boy lay got to stay inside the White House, along with most of bush* campaign donors, AND bush* boy friends, tony and the fellow from Tennesee....

haha...nancy is over with the bums...she just found out that for all her acting and helping bush* get re-selected...they recognize her for a fellow criminal that's no longer in the ball game...

[pinto]

24. I was touched how she took a "step down" from the general on the steps.

You could see she wanted to meet her man's casket and walk it in....she wasn't called..., well you know the stories, for nothing.

Regardless of politics, this was about a state funeral of a dead president and a wife. It'll be over in two days for those offended.

(as an aside, I was offended by Chaney's casket maneuver at the end of the Rotunda ceremony....)

[GoldenOldie]

32. Nancy's Children

They were with her in the car and sitting directly behind her in the Capitol. Nancy was assigned a military escort and he is the one that has and will be beside her during all the ceremonies and insuring that all her needs are met. Michael, Ron, and Patti have been following his lead. I did notice Patti and Ron both keeping a close eye on their mother during the long-winded political speechs. I also found it offensive how Cheney manipulated Nancy in walking up to the casket and It looked like she was looking for her military escort or her children...I am sure this military officer would not attempt to overpower the VP. Nancy looked very uncomfortable with Cheney and he sure didn't look like he really knew what to do with her after he had her. Sure will be interesting to read the books that Ronnie and Pattie are sure to write in the up-coming years.

[diamond14]

46. PHOTO...these cars have windows that NO ONE can see in....

me thinks you are dreaming something up....anyhow....you can see here and in many photos that her children don't care about her...she was always selfish and nasty to them...it should not surprise anyone that BOTH cheney and nancy were complete jerks today...they are both from the same party and philosophy....

and nancy is very happy...smiling and waving to the all-white military families and mercenary war-profiteers...in Washington DC, where 85% of the people are BLACK, and 18,000 are homeless (12,000 of those are OUR Veterans)...and nancy thinks it's time to SMILE...

[playahata1]

47. If they even SUSPECT that things are not on the up and up regarding their

mother and anything else related to the ceremony, can't Junior and Patti say or do ANYTHING about it? Or would it be unseemly to for them break protocol (more like FARCE, to me), even if things do get out of control?

[izzie]

34. Frankly it must be a relief to the women.

------10 years with a very ill man is not fun. My father was ill for years and he had his mind in good order.

[diamond14]

44. taxpayers paid for ronnie's multi-million dollar death...nancy did nothing

us taxpayes paid for all ronnies care and nancy's care, with maids, doctors, nurses, physical therapists, and 24/7 top level medical care...millions of dollars...nancy did NOTHING...

several writers noted that nancy didn't care...had ronnie in a back room, and never went in to see him...just didn't care...medical people took care of everything...it was no burden on nasty nancy....afterall, she broke up ronnie's marriage, one of the nastiest things a woman can do to a man...and ronnie always loved and missed his wife...but could never go back, since nancy sealed the deal with an illegit child....and HATED her step-children...and they HATED her in return....her children could have stood with their mother today...but they sent the message that they didn't care...and they sat in an air conditioned care....her children are just as selfish as nasty nancy is...

[DemoTex]

48. Have some compassion.

Whatever you think of Reagan, and/or Nancy, her husband is now in the big box and the dirt will be thrown on his remains - blessed or cursed - very soon. Nil mortuis dire nisi bonum. When Clinton croaks in 2043 (or so), we will want the same for him. Well, there will need to be a wailing sax blues number.

[diamond14]

51. it's most important to have compassion for the reaguns VICTIMS

rather than for the perpetrators, who lived off the poor and the sick...and the BLOOD OF MILLIONS....


and although I would appreciate respect for Clinton, who brought every soldier home ALIVE and was NOT a war-profiteer...IMO, the reTHUGlicans will do the exact same to Clinton as they did to Paul Wellstone....

yet for nancy/reaguns, reTHUGlicans DEMAND that we lie and praise the KILLERS of MILLIONS....the reTHUGlicans glorious hitleresque praise only serves to generate MORE KILLERS, who will rise up like reaguns did and KILL MILLIONS...and those who perpetrate and enable such nazi-worship are also responsible for the rise of such madness (as currently evidenced in bush*, the hitler-spawn of reaguns....bigger sicker and a direct result of reagun enablers...this gawdy hitler military funeral fuels such nazi crimes)

[DemoTex]

52. He is in the box, dude!

It is fucking over! Chill. She is in grief. She has no clue. Never did. "Reaguns" isn't Nancy. She is not culpable, she is just ignorant.

[diamond14]

55. PHOTO...see nancy smiling, laughing, waving to the ALL-WHITE

bussed into a mostly BLACK city (85% Black), and Paid Military, their families, and mercenary WAR Profitters, paid to do OUR Government's business...

even CNN said the whole thing was a PARADE, not a FUNERAL and ALL-WHITE (tribute to the all-racism all the time reaguns policy)....

nancy ran the White House...she enabled the reaguns policies....her 'say no to drugs' drug program (which included Ollie North, guns-drugs-money war profiteer) KILLED MILLIONS and broke up millions of families, by imprisoning a large percentage of Black men in our country...and KILLING millions in Central America....nancy created that program and forced it's implementation....she kept a gun next to her bed...and consulted astrologists frequently about OUR Nation's policies....

reaguns was already well into Alzeimers in his first term, and with the gunshot wound, reaguns was really out-of-touch...so nancy really did run the White House with an iron-fist and a back-stabbing reTHUGlican approach...there's no way that you can excuse her or claim her innocence...


nancy...likely going to cash in on a BIG life-insurance policy...she probably pulled the plug according to her astrologist's idea...

[DemoTex]

59. They weren't bussed, they are the tourists.

DC is always full of tourists in June. I lived there for ten years .. I know. Amen 1234, I have always respected your posts. You are one of my favorites. This is not a conspiracy. It is a state and national funeral. It will be the exact same, by definition, for Bill Clinton and George Bu$h. Get over it!

[diamond14]

61. no, it's a reTHUGlican Military perpetual-war pResident funeral...

NO Democrats were asked to speak and NO Democrats will be allowed to speak, not even previous Presidents of the United States, Carter and Clinton...and many people hear realize that it is not a funeral for all people, it is another bush* reTHUGlican only, taxpayer-funded perpetual war military parade, to make people real PROUD of bush* perpetual wars....

in addition, the ALL-WHITE admirers (and there were also boos too), do NOT in anyway represent the 85% BLACK District of Columbia....

lastly, I live and work with many military people people...everyone was encouraged and demanded to attend the funeral today to BEEF UP the really slim attendance...buses were sent over to DC from the pentagon and the Navy Shipyard with hundreds of government paid employees on government time....the mercenary war-profitteers were bussed over on taxpayers money from CATI, DynCorp, CH2M Hill, Versar, Lockheed Martin and many many more war-profiteers all over in Virginia, throughout Arlington and Crystal City....they went because they were PAID to go to a parade, on taxpayers money...many picked up their children at their in-house daycare facility or in-house funded teenager training programs....

it's no conspiracy...it's just an expensive taxpayer funded parade filled with war vehicles, and military soldiers to encourage continuation of bush* perpetual war policies...it's sickening, and we pay for this...no Democrats allowed...

[DemoTex]

63. Thanks, we agree.

No conspiracy. High dollar ceremony. Let's not bitch when Carter and Clinton die. Let's hold them to the same standard.

[Kanary]

62. Amen, amen!

""it's most important to have compassion for the reaguns VICTIMS" rather than for the perpetrators, who lived off the poor and the sick...and the BLOOD OF MILLIONS...."

I want to thank you.......... This whole thing has hurt, especially from fellow Dems, who can find so much sympathy for a couple who used their power to do so much damage to those who had little resources for coping with more damage. Indeed, those two people are responsible for the deaths of thousands and thousands and thousands of human beings.

Most of the time when there is a thread on DU about poverty issues, it sinks like a stone. Very few here can take the time or effort to learn something about the issues, or, indeed, to care very much. THAT HURTS, for those of us who have suffered the results of this couple. It also has done much to kill any sense of hope.

If, in their later years, this couple were to have acknowledged the damage that they caused, and took responsibility and tried to mitigate the results, then, yes, there would be cause for sympathy for them. In the absence of that responsibility, it's a slap in the face to those of us who are still struggling, trying to get ANYONE to hear.

I thank you for mentioning this.

Kanary

[diamond14]

64. IMO, many are NOT 'fellow Dems'

we must keep on fighting....don't let those who gush over WAR-CRIMINALs, KILLERS, con-men and cowards affect you...it's not worth it...their own madness will one day come around and bite them in their tales....

[neebob]

53. Well, I suppose I can sort of relate to her situation

because my own mother spent 8 years essentially homebound with my dad, who was severely disabled from a series of strokes and was extremely difficult, mentally and physically, until he died last year. So I can imagine what she went through and what's ahead for her, but I have a hard time feeling sorry for her because she undoubtedly had all kinds of help. Never mind her prior life of luxury. My mom is still suffering from Caregiver Stress or burnout or whatever they call it.

Plus I find it difficult to respect women whose lives revolve around and are defined by their husbands. I'm having a hard time with my mom over that very thing; I didn't realize she did it until my dad died and she couldn't and still can't learn to like being a widow. You can say they were raised differently or it was a different time or whatever, but it really wasn't.

Nancy Reagan may have 20 years on my mom, but she still had lots of opportunities to observe women who weren't content just to be Mrs. Man. So while I can empathize with her loss, I really can't sympathize if the loss includes her reason for existence.

[Cleita]

65. I am surprised at the vitriol this thread has generated.

I really didn't post it as a sympathy thread for Nancy Reagan. My point was that her conservative mold couldn't permit her to show how she really felt. I mean, if I were her I might have just said, I'll pass on this week long fiasco and I'll show up at the burial at the library. I am too old and too frail to go through this, so have at it and leave me out of it.

But she couldn't because conservatives live their lives according to what other people think of them. My point was she shouldn't have cared. Hey Nancy, make a fool out of yourself in front of all those people and throw yourself on the casket. Get drunk. Do whatever you need to do to get through it. You don't need to care about what people think, but then I guess that's what godless liberals do and Nancy you aren't a liberal.

Well, peace everyone. I will say though that emotional hatred will eat you up. I have a post ready about the historical side of the Reagans and they will not look good, however, kicking anyone while they are down just isn't right. That makes us no better than John Ashcroft and company.

[CWebster]

67. Hey, clete, she's been waiting over 10 years for this moment

It is her swan song.