This website only for radicals?

[Randall]

Is this website just for radicals? If so is there any left leaning sites that aren't so extreme? How about a site like this where you can post questions and ideas that is more right leaning?

I've always considered myself a democrat or independent, but after reading a lot of posts on this site I've noticed that a lot of the people are far too radical and their solutions to problems are far too short sighted, much like the radical rights visions.

[Fovea]

1. I have seen a fair number of DLC leaning Dems on DU

over time. What are your solutions, and what makes them more far sighted than anyone elses?

[Lucky Luciano]

21. For a moron like me, what is DLC? n/t

[AntiCoup2K4]

34. Republicans who pretend to be Democrats

or as they're otherwise known, the cancer that's been killing this party the last 20 years.

[wyldwolf]

65. then, of course, there is the far left loony fringe one percenters...

..who pretend to be Democrats.

[ShaneGR]

88. Actually, we're the ones that gave you 8 great years

You remember Bill Clinton?

[Aidoneus]

96. I remember him quite well

Which is why I'd refer to those 8yrs as anything but "great".

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[Bandit]

116. How many Democratic seats were lost under Clinton and DLC?

How many Governorships were changed from Democratic to Republican under Clinton and DLC. Granted Clinton's term in office was fairly successful in many areas except in retaining Democratic ideals and seats of power. There we lost "Big Time"

[Fovea]

38. The would describe themselves as centerists Dems

Most DUers would call them Right Wing, probably most of them are center right...

They are the sometime devotees of Clinton's 3rd path, and the sometimes admirers of the Republican party lockstep.

But they are called the Democratic Leadership Council.

[wyldwolf]

64. not true

Although DU polls mean hardly anything, most polls taken here show a considerable moderate to centrist lean.

From official and unofficial candidate polls during the primary season to "gonna prove my point" polls on things like the popularity of the Kosovo war and "where are you on the political spectrum."

And just reading the board shows a large amount of moderate to centrist posters.

[ermoore]

102. This is not true.

Or maybe many DUers are just conspiracy theorists, but otherwise moderates. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1418979

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[JohnLocke]

120. Here are some links...

www.ppionline.org
www.ndol.org

[MISSDem]

122. I believe it is Democratic Leadership Council

[shraby]

2. Hang around and you

might learn something. We aren't all radicals but are open to learning and sharing knowledge.

[Lucky Luciano]

3. We are not all radicals...

I am very capitalistic and fiscally conservative, but I am very liberal on social issues like abortion, secularism, I don't care about gay marriage (an endorsement for those gay people that want to get married therefore), decriminalization of drugs, etc...Don't feel like you are being run out of here. I am singularly guided though, right now, by the elimination of the knucklehead in the Oval Office - he is screwing our country so badly and it is so truly appalling - that whole fiscal conservative and social liberal in me really hates the guy to death!

[NMDemDist2]

8. agreed--- i think (hope) the word is more "activist" than "radical" nn/t

[leesa]

77. Capitalism is such a shining success story, isn't it?

And those conservative fiscal policies! WooHoo! The net result of those has been the death of small business and free enterprise in America. I've heard this old BS for so long...it's sooooooo predictable. I'm a liberal socially but a conservative fiscally. OPEN your eyes! The RW is TERRIBLE for our economy every time they get power we go broke and jobs disappear. Look at the STATS and then quit parroting that crap.

[Lucky Luciano]

117. oh re-fucking-lax

One of the main reasons I hate b*sh is because he is NOT fiscally conservative. I like Clinton's economic policies.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

4. Yes it is.

Now either recite the International Communist Anthem with us or be gone.
:evilgrin:

[shraby]

6. LOL!!

[U4ikLefty]

22. Shhhhhh!!!

We can't reveal that info until they're one of us....BWAHAHAHA!!!!

[Vladimir]

74. Is the USSR anthem permissible? n/t

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

87. Anything that frightens the corrupt capitalist pigs! n/t

[Vladimir]

89. Soy'ooz neroosh'imi resp'ooblik svob'odnikh

Splot'ila nav'eki vel'ikaia Rus
Da zdr'avstvooyet sozdanni voley nar'odov
Yed'ini mog'oochi Sov'etski Soy'ooz

Sl'avsa ot'echestvo n'ashe svob'odnoye
Dr'oojbi nar'odov nady'ojni opl'ot
P'artia L'enina, - s'ila narodnaya
Nas k torjestv'oo kommun'izma vedy'ot

Skvoz g'odi siy'alo nam s'ontse svob'oodi
I L'enin vel'iki nam put ozar'il
Na pr'avoye d'elo on p'odnal nar'odi
na tr'ood i na p'odvigi nas vdokhnov'il

Sl'avsa ot'echestvo n'ashe svob'odnoye
Dr'oojbi nar'odov nady'ojni opl'ot
P'artia L'enina, - s'ila narodnaya
Nas k torjestv'oo kommun'izma vedy'ot

V pob'ede bessm'ertnih idey kommoon'izma
Mi v'idim grad'oosheye n'ashey strani
I kr'asnomoo zn'ameni sl'avnoj otch'izni
Mi b'oodem vsegd'a bezav'etno verni

Sl'avsa ot'echestvo n'ashe svob'odnoye
Dr'oojbi nar'odov nady'ojni opl'ot
P'artia L'enina, - s'ila narodnaya
Nas k torjestv'oo kommun'izma vedy'ot

http://www.angelfire.com/sc/usmclan/anthem2.html

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[Vladimir]

94. I don't know - how many Congolese

did the Belgians kill in the early part of the 20th century? Oh I'm sorry, I fogot - black people don't count...

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[Vladimir]

99. 10 million actually

under King Leopold, and that's a conservative estimate

http://www.crf-usa.org/bria/bria16_2.html

so would you object to the Belgiam national anthem too?

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[Guy Whitey Corngood]

118. I see granite in your future. n/t

[Forkboy]

5. we should be so lucky

[bicentennial_baby]

10. Indeed my friend

indeed. :P

[lapfog_1]

7. First off, welcome to DU

second, as with most things, the further from the center people
are, the louder they tend to be. In cyberspace, that means
posting frequently.

Contribute what you can and make it from the heart, don't worry
that it won't be "acceptable". And if any make you feel that your
aren't radical enough, that's really a tactic best suited to the
other side, not ours.

[shraby]

13. Welcome to DU

:hi:

[jayfish]

9. If You Want More Moderate Discussions...

start a moderate thread. Look, DU is a big tent. Opinions and ideas fall all along the political spectrum here. if you want a more moderate view point expressed here, then express it. If your points are valid and your arguments sharp, maybe you can sway people to your point of view. Thats how Democracy works.

BTW, welcome to DU :hi:

Jay

[qanda]

11. There are many moderates on DU

I count myself among them. There are some threads that I just don't participate in. I hope you find what you're looking for.

[Bluebear]

12. Certainly not, welcome aboard!

Tell us YOUR "right leaning questions and ideas", maybe we can learn from you and vice versa!

[corriger]

14. I really have not found any yet as good as this site. I must

in a general sense disagree with this characterisation of extremeness that you mention. If you look through many of the posts, and I am guilty of some posts that might be a bit 'radical', but for myself I am so fed up, you will find that there is quite a bit to read which is well thought out, in-depth and is written with both foresight and thought.

[West Coast Democrat]

15. Why are you looking for a "right leaning" site?

if you are a Democrat?

[wyldwolf]

66. he's not. He's looking for one that isn't too far left leaning

..because he is a Democrat.

[Darranar]

16. No, it's not only for radicals...

it's for all progressives.

But there are quite a few of us radicals here...

[struggle4progress]

17. Radicals can also be tolerant pragmatists. eom

[Radical Activist]

18. What the hell is wrong with radicals?

You say radical solutions are short sighted, I say moderate solutions are innefective and half-assed.

But really, many people on this site are more moderate than me. Like other people have posted, this site is a big tent.

[Lucky Luciano]

26. Don't worry RA, your intenions are very good, but

revolutions lead to corruption - every radical revolution has been led by a leader who was very well intentioned, but somewhere lost their way when they got drunk on absolute power...evolution is the only answer, but I guess evolution does not occur without strong activism...your dream may be realized in a few hundred years and it will be a painful ordeal much the way a mother gives birth - it will require globalism or else some small country in the world will inevitably be exploited or left out...with continuing innovation, the system you hate will come down bit by bit and will be only slightly painful to the powers that be since it was so gradual and in the end it will come to fruition - either that or we nuke ourselves. Also, people will always be hungry somewhere if population controls are not in effect - kind of a Malthusian thing...

[StandUpGuy]

36. Wow

"every radical revolution has been led by a leader who was very well intentioned, but somewhere lost their way when they got drunk on absolute power"

is almost as laughable as the one about capitalism and profit being required to motivate people to better themselves.




:crazy:

[Lucky Luciano]

42. Mao, Pol Pot, Lenin leading to Stalin, Castro,

Vietnam is not really communist - their war with us was really a war for total independence more than communism - they are CINOs as evidenced by my trip there - their government is EXTREMELY corrupt and can always be bought off...trust me - I know...One good thing there, though, is that while people are very poor indeed, they seem very happy and there is not much hunger...Cambodia, on the other hand is a fucking disaster still...the legacy of Pol Pot has not been erased yet...i recommend a trip there...it is still an amazing place and a visit to Angkor Wat will be an experience you will never forget, especially now that it is still not overrun by tourists...hint hint

Hitler's ascension was radical...the American Revolution was hardly radical - in fact I wouldn't even call it a revolution...independence is a better word.

Gvie me an example of a RADICAL revolution not leading to the kind of absolute power that inevitably corrupts.

[StandUpGuy]

48. Gandhi

A Brief History of Mohandas K. Gandhi
by Richard Attenborough

Mohandas K. Gandhi was born in 1869 to Hindu parents in the state of Gujarat in Western India. He entered an arranged marriage with Kasturbai Makanji when both were 13 years old. His family later sent him to London to study law, and in 1891 he was admitted to the Inner Temple, and called to the bar. In Southern Africa he worked ceaselessly to improve the rights of the immigrant Indians. It was there that he developed his creed of passive resistance against injustice, satyagraha, meaning truth force, and was frequently jailed as a result of the protests that he led. Before he returned to India with his wife and children in 1915, he had **radically** changed the lives of Indians living in Southern Africa.
Back in India, it was not long before he was taking the lead in the long struggle for independence from Britain. He never wavered in his unshakable belief in nonviolent protest and religious tolerance. When Muslim and Hindu compatriots committed acts of violence, whether against the British who ruled India, or against each other, he fasted until the fighting ceased. Independence, when it came in 1947, was not a military victory, but a triumph of human will. To Gandhi's despair, however, the country was partitioned into Hindu India and Muslim Pakistan. The last two months of his life were spent trying to end the appalling violence which ensued, leading him to fast to the brink of death, an act which finally quelled the riots. In January 1948, at the age of 79, he was killed by an assassin as he walked through a crowed garden in New Delhi to take evening prayers. end of Attenborough's summary

You assume that the Radical change people want will only come through violence.

[Lucky Luciano]

50. Yes Ghandi (Attenborough's movie is one of my favs)

I thought of him while writing in another thread...he was a true superstar....I worry that he is a once in a millenium kind of guy.....Who else would forgo the leadership of a new nation offered to him after the revolution achieved its main goals???? I will give you Ghandi without a doubt - the man is one of my heroes, but as I was saying, he was quite a rare breed unfortunately. I still stand by my original statement for the most part and wish for more like Ghandi to come around....I tried to push Ghandi's philosophy on a radical muslim I met in Egypt....he didn't reject the idea - he just got quiet when I brought it up...I wonder if that made him think a little because other things I mentioned got him to rebut me....the Palestinians would have the whole world behind them (except the US government of course) and the Israeli version of Apartheid may have ended by now if they took Ghandi's approach - I firmly believe that, but of course we cannot prove it. Instead, they chose suicide bombings and killing civilians which was bad for PR to say the least and worldwide empathy for them undoubtedly suffers from this.

[StandUpGuy]

58. Evolution not Revolution

was first brought to my attention when used as a slogan by Jewish groups in Canadian universities, notably Concordia. The idea was that student politics had/has become to political, particularly discussion of the Israel Palestinian issue, on campus at least.
I find it interesting that you will stick by your unequivocal assertion that all radical revolutionary leaders become corrupt. You asked me to name one Revolutionary leader that hadn’t been corrupted. I gave you one.
I could give you more but do not need to to refute your original argument against radical revolutionary ideas or action.
I find the Evolution vs. Revolution arguments are most often used by people who are invested in and profit from the status quo.
And perhaps unwittingly you yourself while recognizing the gravity of the environmental devastation and human suffering worldwide; you may also have a stake in us taking hundreds of years achieving our desired results.

[Lucky Luciano]

61. You are right,

I created an edge for myself out of nothing and I will never apologize for that...I was not a privileged person growing up, but I staked out my claim and things are starting to look bright no thanks to numbnuts in the White House. I should not suffer for that. Though I have a specific number in mind ($10M to $20M) - when I reach that number I am going to stop everything and travel the world indefinitely while picking up as many languages as possible and helping out any way I can without exposing my true net worth.

You are no dummy - you could have done the same thing if you put your energy where I did. I think of Evolution instead of Revolution though because of the British system which grew from absolute monarchy under King John slowly to where they are today, which is more progressive than the US, but still probably abhorrent to you. I also think evolution is better because a system evolved over a long period of time will last longer and is less likely to fall from a counter-revolution....many of the revolutions I mentioned did not last very long because volatility often breeds more volatility - just watch the stock market when it goes up real fast - it is shortly followed by a lot of big down days and choppiness - but the long steady climb up for the stock market over the years is what holds - Evolution. Or the card counter playing blackjack in Vegas. This person is very disciplined and will not double their money over the course of a weekend, but make a 25% return or 50% return depending on the trip stake and aggressiveness of their tactics whereas the person who quadruples their money in one hour is pretty much guaranteed to lose it in the next hour. Things that happen through evolution tend to last and surely you wouldn't want to waste a lot of blood sweat and tears over something that may not last!

1) Communist China - only an idiot believes they are communist still.
2) Communist Cambodia - that disappeared within 4 years - thankfully - I have read and seen firsthand accounts of that disaster. Such a sad story - it almost made me cry when I was in the former S-21 prison at Phnom Penh or the Killing Fields of Cheung Euk (Sp?) which have been made into a museums - I have not cried since 1984 when my sister died - that is how moved I was.
3) Vietnam - As I said was hardly communist and is far less so as time goes by.
4) Hitler 1933-1945
5) Cuba is still going - the real test will come after Castro kicks the bucket.
6) The USSR made it 75 years before they fizzled, though their fizzling was more evolutionary.

India did ok aside from their Pakistan issues....and I hope you can find a peaceful way to help people just like another such crusader, the Dalai Lama - I guess that is another example...though he is just fighting to get his damn country back - a return to the status quo so that does not count as revolutionary.

Ugh...I don't really like to type too much, but I would enjoy this conversation if we were face to face.

[Vladimir]

73. That would be the Pol Pot

whose party was supported by Reagan then?

And what exactly is wrong with Castro? Other than the fact that his government has for decades resisted American imperialism, and that Cuba is, under the circumstances, a fucking paradise to live in? You try running a country for 40 years under a US trade embargo and tell me how far you get mate. Places like Chile and Nicaragua are perfect testaments to what would have happened in Cuba had the revolution been defeated. And what about Venezuela? Chavez came to power in a coup and is presiding over a spectacularly benevolent and progressive democratic regime.

[Lucky Luciano]

121. Castro would not bother me too much

except for the fact that dissent is squashed...when dissent is squashed, things are bad. Chavez is still new....we will see what happens...Pol Pot was not supported by Reagan (unless Reagan supported them after they were overthrown and out in the jungle) - Pol Pot was in power during the Carter years 1975-79...but if Reagan did support them after they were ousted, possibly because of anger over Vietnam since it was the Vietnamese who ousted the Khmer Rouge when the Khmer Rouge started making incursions into Vietnam, then chalk up another reason why Reagan was a bad guy - it is not like I am some kind of Reagan supporter!

[Radical Activist]

90. Thomas Paine, Frederick Douglass, Mother Jones, Cesar Chavez

Not all radicals are marxist revolutionaries. They are however, the ones who spur most action and positive change in America.

[Lucky Luciano]

119. ahhhh...but these guys/gal contributed to the evolution I was

speaking of...everything they did was a slow process and therefore it stuck.

[Blue Wally]

92. They Are Happy and Not Hungry

because the communists in power decided the "green" was better than "red". It was pretty grim there from 1975 until 1990 when they decided to allow privatization of everything except the largest businesses. Private markets at the retail level are meeting the peoples needs and wants. The old state stores sucked big time. Also the south is better off than the north (we unwittingly created through the black market a "fifth column" of free enterprisers to stay behind and undermine the communist system). I went back for the first time in 1993 and several times since and it is amazing how much growth there has been.

[stavka]

19. I'm pretty new....

I'd say... you do need a strong stomach to put up with some of what is said here.

It's well intentioned, but there are a few folks who slip though and post some pretty off the wall stuff; Is is really leftist or radical? - Not really - but the timid will be offended, and maybe rightly so

[bob2340]

20. Not everyone here is radical

I just registered here today and find these forums very interesting. There are radicals wherever you go regardless of party affiliation. I have been reading these forums for a couple months now and think that there are a lot of great people here who share my views. I just skip over the really obnoxious or extreme threads. I'm glad to be here!

[The Blue Knight]

24. Few points.

First, welcome to DU, Bob. I hope you enjoy a fine tenure here.

DU is a big tent. You have left-leaning centrists, all the way to communists. I, myself, am a fiscal conservative, but I'm liberal on social issues. While some of other people's views may come across as "radical" to me, I respect that, and my opinion on issues has been swayed many time by these "radicals" ... don't be so quick to brush them off. You might learn a few things. ;)

[kaitykaity]

47. What a great first post.

Welcome to DU and happy posting!!!

:toast:

[NMDemDist2]

71. welcome to DU

:hi:

[seabeyond]

23. i am moderate and hear a lot of moderate on board

independent or democrat. and have had a lot of interesting conversation and have walked away with a lot of information. this is a little odd now at the time cause of the inundation of Reagan worship., hard to stomach for many, myself included. Reagan made me a democrat, wink

[BeFree]

37. I dunno, seabeyond,

I think you are pretty radical... beauty is in the eye of the beholder, eh?

[seabeyond]

41. radical and beyond, you betcha

yet politically, pretty moderate.

thank you befree, wink

[BeFree]

25. That's a radical observation!

All we are saying is give peace a chance.

[Solly Mack]

27. Yes... and it's a 10 dollar donation per right-leaning question.

So, ask away!

[jayfish]

28. To You Or To DU?

:evilgrin:

Jay

[Solly Mack]

31. well..huh...DU, of course!

teehee...

[Lucky Luciano]

29. Wow, the responses to this post make me feel good to be here

because the FreeRepublic people do NOT allow this much diversity of opinion on their site. For them, you either tow the line and cheerlead or you are OUT! I appreciate the input of the radicals for they often have good ideas....I just hate when they say stupid shit that makes them look crazy to those that need to be informed (See post #30 to this thread)...I will kindly see through it and try to stick to their genuine ideologies, but it hurts their cause for those that cannot stomach the harsh words since such harsh words will never be useful for salesmanship - we are all salesman here - do not forget that - so do not insult the customers of your ideas!

[Gman]

30. Radical?? With apologies to Hunter S Thompson...

If the right people were in charge of Reagan's funeral, his casket would be launched into one of those open-sewage canals that empty into the ocean just south of Los Angeles. He was a swine of a man and a jabbering dupe of a president. Reagan was so crooked that he needed servants to help him screw his pants on every morning. Even his funeral is illegal. He was queer in the deepest way. His body should have been burned in a trash bin.

In the traditionalist style, the dead president's body would be wrapped and sewn loosely in canvas sailcloth and dumped off the stern of a frigate at least 100 miles off the coast and at least 1,000 miles south of San Diego, so the corpse could never wash up on American soil in any recognizable form.

This isn't radical. Its just the truth.

[Susang]

32. Depends on how you define the term

Considering how far to the right this country has come in the last few decades, even the Republicans of the 60s and 70s would be considered to liberal and radical by a lot of people.

Personally, I like radicals, even the people who are more radical in their views than I am. It sure beats the judgmentalism and moralizing of the "right leaning" folks any day of the weak. After all, liberal means: "Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry; Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded". http://www.dictionary.com

[Lucky Luciano]

33. The thing is that the right side has been overtaken

by a radical group too....I used to think I was a conservative! That was why I went to Free Republic before I came here...they shoved me out of there so fast it was ridiculous - they are on an entirely different planet from me. So, here I am, not always agreeing with people here, but always willing to listen.

[Kazak]

35. What the right would have you believe is radical...

is really mainstream America.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

43. And what the "left" would have you believe is radical (left of DLC)...

...is really common sense.

[unkachuck]

39. Radical? What used to be moderate....

is today considered 'radical'....if the country leaned any further to the right, it would tip over....

[LoZoccolo]

40. There is a moderate contingent here...

...but we don't spend like all day here.

[TexasMexican]

44. Free Radicals are bad...

they'll fuck up your skin and make you look old, or so I've heard.

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[BeFree]

46. Ya think we scairt him?

Damn, we run another one off. Oh well, this place is getting crowded anyway. <grin>

[flewellyn]

49. Radicalism is in the eye of the beholder.

I don't see too many calls here for abolition of private property, for example, or state control of the means of production. Now, I do see some calls for socialized medicine, but that doesn't strike me as particularly radical.

On the other hand, the US doesn't really have a leftist party, anyway. We have a moderate party, and a fascist party.

[Solon]

54. Hey I'm all for abolishing YOUR private property...

as long as I get it! :evilgrin:

[Aidoneus]

51. I wish it was "extreme" and "radical"

More often than not, it's a hangout for centre-right liberals who only object to the (R) next to their opponents' name(s).

[jmags]

52. DU, like the world at large, is filled with idiots

And, like the world at large, those most ignorant are the most visible. However, there are also a great many thoughtful, motivated, and and intriguing people that come to this site. Had I not come here, I would not have known about Will Pitt and Bev Harris, the former being an outstanding writer and very thoughtful contributor, the latter being one of the greatest Americans this country has.

Certainly some postings can be obnoxious, offensive, and mindblowingly stupid. Reactions to certain events, the Reagan death and the Berg video in particular, have really angered me. But overall, this place is a great resource with great people. Stick around and you'll be glad you did.

[BeFree]

83. Thanks, jmags

Thanks for the recognition! It isn't everyday we idiots get recognized by the intelligentsia! ('course Will Pitt the other day did say how glad he is for ALL of us). It's nice to know we can illicit such emotion, and that we can anger such highly self-esteemed individuals as you. That in itself is as good of a reason for DU as any I've ever read. It gives me hope we may yet be able to Take back America!

[jmags]

106. You need only to scroll a bit higher to see one poster

rationalizing the death of millions in Stalin's purges to see what I mean.

[Hippo_Tron]

53. It ENTIRELY depends on how you define radical

This is a left wing message board, so the far left's voice on DU is much louder than it is in the country as the whole. About 90% here support John Kerry for president and at the same time a large majority opposed the invasion of Iraq under any circumstances. Joe Lieberman and Gephardt had very few supporters here, whereas Dean, Kerry, Clark, Edwards were very well represented here, and Kucinich still is.

[Kimber Scott]

55. Another moderate checking in. (DU has actually made me this way.)

Welcome to DU!

:hi:

[wyldwolf]

67. You too?

Before I joined up, I felt I was VERY left - and I was in my social circles.

But DU showed me I was a moderate.

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[camero]

59. There's been alot of them today

The big stories always bring them out.

[Piperay]

60. I'm a moderate...

and there are many other moderates here too, perhaps in the very short time you have been here you haven't read enough of the posts to realize that. :shrug:

[Oggy]

62. Radical?

The posts above say it all. It is all a matter of perspective, compared to Europe and even here in the UK (where I am) DU is moderate (still on the left though!).

[LibertyorDeath]

63. If you came looking for Vanilla your out of luck

If you think we're radical you've lived a very sheltered life

[JNelson6563]

68. Worry not friend

You will find many rightward leaning folks here.

Julie--who ain't one of 'em

[Skittles]

69. we don't want "right leaning" assholes here

we have our fill of them in real life

[wyldwolf]

70. Randall, my only advice to you is not to use the words "right leaning"

... if you want civil conversation from some here, even though I know what you mean (Afterall, many people admired here are right of Ghandi and so, from Ghandi's perspective, are "right leaning"), people here react quickly to that phrase.

It has already been insinuated that you may be a plant, troll, freeper, a "cancer in the democratic party," whatever. But I could have predicted that. I would ignore the types said those things, though.

[sangha]

72. hmmm, another hit and run poster

who thinks we're too far to the left

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[Misunderestimator]

76. Welcome to DU, Randall.... Where'd you go?

I noticed that you haven't responded to your own thread.

[Paradise]

78. What's that old adage? Oh yes, The Devil is in the Details...

"I've always considered myself a democrat or independent, but after reading a lot of posts on this site I've noticed that a lot of the people are far too radical and their solutions to problems are far too short sighted, much like the radical rights visions."

posts on this site 'far too radical', solutions 'too short sighted'; radical rights 'visions'??????

hmmm, v e r y i n t e r e s t i n g... :think:

[CWebster]

79. It's a joke, right?

There is nothing but hostility from the majority of posters on this site towards progressives. See the venom spewed towards Nader supporters in favor of a candidate who triangulates on all of Bush's policies.

[Walt Starr]

80. The'll be calling me a radical

a liberal.

[Stuckinthebush]

81. Randall? Randall?

Where are you, Randall?

There are many very good posts to your thread here...many that show the vast diversity here at DU and within the Democratic party.

Wait a minute....did you not really want a conversation in the first place? Did you just want to post something that would get our blood pressure up and then run away? No...I'm sure that was not your intent.

So, I would imagine that after reading these thoughtful posts you are ready to stick around and join in our diverse community consisting of far left, moderate left, left-right, and moderate-right individuals.

Randall? Are you there?

[Paradise]

85. LOL! ;) nt

[Ms. Clio]

103. Oddly enough, Randall is no longer with us

(I just learned how to put this image in posts and I do enjoy it so!)

[drdigi420]

84. this message sounds a lot like bait

[Paradise]

86. lol. hook, line and sinker! :) nt

[Jose Diablo]

93. I prefer to think of myself as a populist or progressive or

even social democrat. If some call that radical, well so be it.

I must point out the name of the site is democraticUNDERGROUND. Notice the underground part. Now what do you suppose that means?

The site is tolerant though of all democrats. It is just freepers that get the boot.

[Kilroy003]

100. Not always just freepers...

One must be very careful as to what one says here. It's not always possible for the mods to know the persuasions of every poster. Because of my low post count, I will probably recieve a few alerts from members simply for saying that. It is a big tent, but difficult to find a place in.

[Finch]

101. Very True...

... I hadn't posted here in a while... but sometimes I check up on things and I just have to try and get some sanity into the conversation :)

[Jose Diablo]

104. Just say what you feel is right

if you get flamed, read what is said, respond if you agree or disagree and why.

I doubt you will be booted if you are honest, listen and respectful of others if you disagree.

Incidently, freepers generally are not capable of honesty, listening or respect. These qualities go far, no matter what political spectrum you are.

[digno dave]

95. agree

Often times when i espouse a moderate or "right" leaning viewpoint on a SOLE issue i get slammed here.


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[Hell Hath No Fury]

97. Oh puh-lease!

I can count the number of true "radicals" on this board on one hand. :eyes:

[geek tragedy]

105. You have a wide spectrum here

from DLC moderates (but no Zell Miller types) to people so far left they actually wind up in cahoots with far-right black helicopter types.

[Bluebear]

107. Yoo hoo Randall, where'd ya go?

100 responses, man I hope you weren't scared off by the welcome!

[Pathwalker]

109. Randall is dead, and lies in Tombstone territory.

Please don't talk to the dead people.

[geek tragedy]

112. Oops!

Darn me and my psychic abilities.

I won't tread near his tombstone again.

[Joanne98]

108. Since when is the truth radical?

People who can't handle the truth are mainstream now? geezzzzzzz

[NoPasaran]

111. Hey, I'm a moderate

Right, comrades?

[Nimble_Idea]

114. I can't believe the MODERATORS are letting this garbage stay

he calls your website radical and extreme, BLATANT FLAME BAIT, i want this removed.

[Lucky Luciano]

123. I kind of like this thread

I mean the original post was inflammatory, but the responses have been good! I like that people showed how open minded people were. It was very unFreeper-like!

[Nimble_Idea]

115. YOU'RE the radical

more right leaning???? Are you serious, Why don't you go to Limpaw's site or watch some faux news

[Moderator]

124. Locking.....

The author of the thread is no longer with us.


DU Moderator