Public Health Forum -- 2:30 PM ET LIVE (Thur) -- CSPAN -- Demo Candidates

[Khephra]

(I hope this isn't a dupe.)

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Public Health Forum
Democratic Party, Iowa
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ID: 177795 - 08/14/2003 - 4:00 - No Sale



Gephardt, Richard A., U.S. Representative, D, Missouri
Kerry, John F., U.S. Senator, D-MA
Graham, Bob, U.S. Senator, D-FL
Dean, Howard, Governor, D-VT
Vilsack, Tom, Governor, D-IA
Edwards, John, U.S. Senator, D-NC
Moseley Braun, Carol, Presidential Candidate, D, Democratic Party

[Khephra]

1. kick

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[Khephra]

2. kick

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[Khephra]

3. Starting now

These things never seem to start on time.

[Khephra]

4. Well, not quite NOW now

:kick:

[Khephra]

5. Who is Dr. Richard J. Boxer?

Starting now.

Nevermind. He's with the NHPC.

[tridim]

6. This opening sounds like a ride at Epcot Center

What the?

[Khephra]

7. It was strange, wasn't it?

It sounded like something from a '70's sci-fi movie.

[Khephra]

8. Vilsack's turn for introductions

This sounds like each candidate is going to get a significant amount of time to talk on their own. I think he said 20 minutes?

I'll be shocked if Dean doesn't rock the house today. This is his topic and it's in long form, which is his strongest speaking format.

[Khephra]

9. Kick

:kick:

[Khephra]

10. he's still speaking

I hope they still have time for the candidates.

[JaneQPublic]

12. Any reports for those of us without TV access?

Any running news and commentary would be appreciated.

[Khephra]

13. Vilsack is hogging the spotlight and won't shut up

His introduction lasted more than 30 minutes, I swear!

Now he wants to check and see if they're still on schedule. Either he was hogging the spotlight or they were delaying for some reason. That introduction was one of the longest I've ever heard.

Heck, he was on for so long that some people are getting up to go to the bathroom during this brief pause.

KERRY NOW ON!

[JaneQPublic]

20. Wow, a 30 min. intro?!?!

Is Vilsack running for prez, too?

Now, I just hope I set my VCR long enough to catch the tail end. I'll be honked off if most of what I taped is just Vilsack's comments.

[Khephra]

22. Maybe closer to 25 minutes...

Now that I've looked back over the thread. But still...sheeeeeeesh.

[Khephra]

14. Watch it online here

http://www.c-span.org/watch/index.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS&ShowVidDays=30&ShowVidDesc=

[hippiechick]

16. I hope he got some sleep & a haircut

since the thing in Philly ... he looked REALLY tired.


BTW, is it on the CSPAN radio feed too ?


:hippie:

[Khephra]

17. Yep. On CSPAN radio too

http://www.c-span.org/watch/cspanradio.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CSR

[hippiechick]

19. ICK !

I finally find the radio feed and it's Kerry ... droning on about himself, but nothing substantive .... :eyes:

:hippie:

[Khephra]

21. He did call Bush out on the Veteran cuts

But he was the first out of the box, so.... :shrug:

I have a feeling several of them will hit on that today.

[Andy_Stephenson]

25. Does he ever talk about anything

substantive? Oh he is talking about a "smart card'. Sounds like it will go well with the Patriot Act he voted for.

[DemBones DemBones]

32. I'm not a Kerry supporter, but that's unfair. Kerry did talk about

how he would reform health care.

[Andy_Stephenson]

35. BFD

Give me my rights back, bring the troops home and disband homeland gestapo...Then I might listen to him. Till then he is persona non grata to me.

[VermontDem2004]

11. Will this guy stfu

We want Dean! We want Dean! We want Dean! I bet you the candidates are sleeping.

[VermontDem2004]

15. How bad does Lieberman want to win?

I rarely see him at these forums.

[lindashaw]

18. Kerry, at least, read the report about the Pentagon's latest disgrace

of cutting the military's pay.

[Khephra]

23. Ok, Kerry is now stealing Dean lines

Either tax cuts or health care.

That's freeping right out of Dean's speeches!

:grr:

[Andy_Stephenson]

26. What else would you expect from

a Republican? Oh sorry Democrat.

[VermontDem2004]

27. As a Dean supporter

Kerry is anything but a republican.

[Andy_Stephenson]

29. Really?!?!?

Then why has he voted so often in support of Bush and his policies?

[VermontDem2004]

31. You really need to look at his voting record

yes you can show me his 2002 war authorization yes vote, yes vote on Patriot Act, but rarely you will find any other vote in support of Bush's policies.

[Andy_Stephenson]

33. and Homeland Gestapo

Thise are my line in the sand. If any politician Dem or repuke voted for them...I will NEVER vote for them. I will never waver on this.

[VermontDem2004]

44. Not necessarily

He actually voted for the Democrat version of the Homeland Security Bill, the amendment got rejected and there was no point in voting No in the Repub version of the homeland security bill because it was going to get passed no matter what. You can see is yes vote on the democrat version of the homeland security bill here:http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_keyvote_detail.php?vote_id=3213&can_id=S0421103

[Andy_Stephenson]

46. Homeland Gestapo...

Democrat plan or Republican plan is still the gestapo!

[VermontDem2004]

49. The Democratic Version is not Homeland Gestapo

if you actually looked through it, it didn't take away any civil liberties, it just was more funded for police departments, terror response training, etc. You see what I am getting at? Stuff that actually roots out terror. The Republicans added like 300 more things, most senators didn't have enough time to look through the repub version.

[Andy_Stephenson]

51. Then they should have voted NO

you don't vote on something you have't read...That is the height of stupidity. That or your fishing for an excuse. I don't buy it...HSG is wrong and I do not agree with it. Kerry Geppy et al that voted for it can kiss my....well you get my drift.

[Andy_Stephenson]

52. Oh and by the way

The Gestapo is the teeth behind Patriot Act verse 1....Coming soon PA2...how much you want to bet Kerry Geppy et al vote for it when it hits the floor? Of course right after 9/11 act 2.

[VermontDem2004]

53. If he votes for Patriot act II

he will not get my support, that is where I draw the line.

[DemBones DemBones]

28. Dean steals from Wellstone,

so I don't think I'd be complaining about anyone stealing from Dean, if I were you. Stealing from a dead man is lower than saying something akin to what another candidate says on an issue all candidates are discussing.

[Khephra]

30. Dean did not steal that from Wellstone

A woman used the line to introduce Dean. Dean did not start using it himself. In a sense it was given to him by that woman.

Dean sure as hell didn't give Kerry any lines from his speeches to use.

But this just goes to show who has the better ideas. If Kerry is so desperate to use Dean's lines then he has fewer orginal ideas than I thought.

[DemBones DemBones]

34. Are you saying that Dean has never used that line himself?

[Khephra]

38. Nope, he's used it

But an outsider to the campaign used it to introduce him and then he used it. Have qualms with him continuing to use it if you will. But that introduction opened the door for him to use it himself, imo.

What Kerry did here was much different.

He stole a line from one of his opponents in a primary.

Dean, if he "stole" the line, then he did it from someone that's he not running against and it doesn't involve policy, unlike Dean's line about "Either tax cuts or health care." which Kerry just used.

We can disagree on the stealing issue all night.

However, there's one thing that's hard for you to deny -- Kerry validated Dean's own stace and campaign meme as being superior by using it himself.

[JaneQPublic]

40. And didn't Wellstone get the line from Sheila Kuehl?

She's a California State Sen. who represents Santa Monica. That's where Dean said he heard it from first. And he gave her attribution until Wellstone people began writing him.

So then for a while he was saying, "As Paul Wellstone said--as Sheila Kuehl said when she endorsed me...I am Howard Dean, and I'm here to represent the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party."

But so much attribution and explanation tends to bog down the punchy, direct rhetoric he's famous for.

[Khephra]

42. Thanks for adding the specifics

I'm about 98% sure that's spot on from what I remember.

[DemBones DemBones]

58. So does Sheila Kuehl claim that

Wellstone stole it from her? Or did she steal it from Wellstone? Or did Kuehl and Wellstone each come up with it on their own?

Whatever its origin and etiolgy, it is widely known as Wellstone's line and Dean is using it, and not always with attribution. Furthermore, it implies that Dean is politically like Wellstone, which he's not.

[JaneQPublic]

60. Actually, I said it first.

In a previous life. About 1834, I think it was.

Everybody else stole it from me.

And I'm really pissed about it, too. :eyes:

[JaneQPublic]

61. Actually, I kind of borrowed it...

...from this fella who used to say, "I represent the Whig wing of the Whig Party!"

[DemBones DemBones]

64. LOL. You definitely should have trademarked it!

Like "Let's roll" and "fair and balanced." :eyes:

I think it's inevitable that people will steal other people's words, often without knowing it. I only object to Dean using a line that suggests he's ultra-progressive (like Wellstone) when he's not. After all, some of the Dems in Vermont left the Democartic Party and started a Progressive Party because Dean was so conservative. If Dean were progressive, his using the line wouldn't offend me.

Like if FOX really were "fair and balanced." they might have a basis for suing Al Franken!

[DemBones DemBones]

24. Kucinich, Dennis, U.S. Representative, D-Ohio, will also be participating,

according to an e-mail I received from Georgians for Kucinich.

[VermontDem2004]

36. My 7 year old cousin just said that Gephardt looks like an alien

How long does each candidate get to speak?

[Khephra]

43. I think 20 minutes

It's going to be a looooooonnnnnggggg show.

[DemBones DemBones]

37. Gephardt is on now, saying Bush* should go to UN, get help we

need to get out of Iraq. We're spending a billion $ a week there, some of which could go to health care here at home.

Will end Bush* tax cuts, use money for health care.

[Andy_Stephenson]

39. Gepharadt

another Republican in sheeps Democratic clothing. :puke:

[Andy_Stephenson]

41. Why don't we all get the congressional plan for

Retirement and healthcare? Or better yet...Put them on the plans the average American is on. Then things will get fixed...Fast.

[DemBones DemBones]

59. Kerry said he'd give us the same healthcare plan as Congress.

[Khephra]

45. A short break...

15 minutes....

smoke 'em if you got 'em.

[VermontDem2004]

47. what a pathetic democrat

sorry, I was referring to the first caller.

[JaneQPublic]

48. Oh My Gawd! CSPAN estimates this will run 4 hours!!!

http://inside.c-spanarchives.org:8080/cspan/schedule.csp

They left their schedule open for it through 6:30 p.m.

Nope, I definitely did not set my VCR for long enough.

[Khephra]

50. That's one reason people shouldn't expect detailed notes from us

The speeches and Q&A sessions are just too damn long and rambling.

I think they said Kucinich/Dean/Edwards/Graham are the next 4 candidates to speak.

[hippiechick]

54. I really don't want to hear Dean's list ....

... of all the other industrialized countries that have healthcare when we don't .... not bashing mind you, it just gets tiring to hear the same 'talking points' over and over again ....


:hippie:

[VermontDem2004]

57. Much like hearing

I am the son of a milk truck driver, my mom was a secretary...

Or I am the son of a mill worker, I was the first in my family to go to college..

I am tired of the same talking points, but only Sharpton is the candidate that says something new everytime I see him.

[hippiechick]

66. ARRRGH - he DID it !!!

:silly:


:hippie:

[VermontDem2004]

55. Referring to the repub caller just now

NeedyMeds is not a program. It's an information source
http://www.needymeds.com/

[Gloria]

56. The listener comments are pretty good...one suggested using the

VA setup; others want universal and see how the employer-based plans leave people out.
Repug woman says Dems should have done it under Clinton...oh, yeah, right..with Repugs blocking everything in sight...

This country is sick. Why do we put up with the situation like it is?
One caller was right....2/3 have insurance and don't care about the others who don't...and they won't support passage of anything remotely
decent.....

[VermontDem2004]

62. Kucinich up next

I hate this music that they play.

[Gloria]

63. Mosely Braun came across very well....her experiences in the

law-political aspects of healthcare are great and her first hand experience in New Zealand as ambassador where she saw a single payer system in action obviously impressed her. She wants a single payer system.

She was bustled off the stage, heard her asking about a couple of more questions she thought she would be allowed to answer.....Vlisak said it was his job to keep things on schedule....I would have liked to hear more from her!

[VermontDem2004]

65. We want Dean! We want Dean!

Here he comes!!!!

[lindashaw]

67. Dean on C-Span...

This man just blows me away! :)

[Egnever]

69. Agreed!

This was a good forum for him. I missed gep and kerry so i dont know how they came accross. Dean is very comfortable in this type of format where he just gets to speak.

I cant wait to see this man and the chimp on the same stage.There wil be no contest.

[Demobrat]

68. Based on the phone calls afterwards,

I'd say Kucinich won it. Some guy just called and said he was a Republican switching to the Dems to vote for Kucinich. I'm a Deanie, but good on him.

[VermontDem2004]

70. I just heard 4 straight calls

talking about Howard Dean. (Democrats)

[Egnever]

71. did you just hear the republican nurse?

wow if that wasnt a dean endorsment ive never heard one

[Khephra]

72. The calls are now starting to swing in Dean's favor

Kucinich and Dean seem to be the big winners so far.

[VermontDem2004]

73. Woohoo!!!!

A republican dissastified with his party. There are alot more out there then most DUers realize. Democrats in '04.

[Egnever]

74. I agree!

Kucinich did do well. He seems to have resonated with a lot of people.

[Egnever]

75. whole lot of republicans calling

and saying bush sucks! This has got to be giving rove ulcers.

Nice to hear, some of the people out there are finally waking up.

[VermontDem2004]

76. They must of seen the military families episode yesturday

with an open mind.

[Demobrat]

77. Yup. They all have their favorite Dem, just like we do,

but they all know they've been betrayed by Bush!!