MEME: Why do you liberals blame America first?

[Cronus Protagonist]

Answer: We blame BUSH first. America is still the greatest country in the world and BUSH is a war criminal under US law.

Practice this and use it whenever the spin in the subject of this thread is used in your vicinity. We need to counter this spin ASAP so that Rove has to come up with a new one closer to the election. Thank you.

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[bluestateguy]

1. They blame America last

n/t

[Cronus Protagonist]

14. I take it that you're not a liberal then?

Why are you saying you blame America last? Why are you adopting the Republican claims?

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[bluestateguy]

16. Oops!

No, I meant the Right blames America last.

[mandyky]

2. Liberals don't BLAME anyone

They question and point out hypocrisies. Liberals follow Christ by taking the speck out of their own eye (the US), before they point at others (other countries).

[Cronus Protagonist]

12. Yeah, right I am a liberal and I BLAME BUSH

As for following Christ, I don't do that either.

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[mandyky]

22. Blaming anyone or anything is futile

You know how stupid the GOP sounds when they always blame Clinton? Why imitating them? Yes, shrub is resposible for a lot - but as a knee jerk blame bush first reaction, that only gives the right wing radicals ammo. Blame Bush when you have PROOF!! Otherwise, question and denounce hypocrisy.

[Cronus Protagonist]

31. We have plenty of proof to assign blame to Bush

They have no proof at all to claim that liberals blame America first. And if you would note, I'm nor proposing "imitating" them, I'm proposing defusing their propaganda with counter-propaganda that just happens to be supportable by facts, unlike their shallow, hollow claims.

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[JHBowden]

3. Q: "Why do most liberals want America to fail?"

A: "I didn't know most liberals supported Bush!"

[Cronus Protagonist]

19. That's a good answer to the question you posed

I'm going to use it myself :)

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[stopbush]

4. Because Jesus said so:

"You hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of your own eye; and then shall you see clearly to cast out the mote out of your brother's eye." - Matthew 7:5

In other words, look to fix your own faults before pointing out the faults of others.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

5. Beat me to it

I was thinking exactly the same thing! Thanks for posting!

[lanparty]

20. So odd ...

Since Matthew is the gospel that Bush's "men's bible camp" supposedly hunkered down on.

[procopia]

6. Or, what country SHOULD be blamed

for America's atrocities?

[Cronus Protagonist]

37. I bet you a dollar the response would be Iraq

Try it and see :)

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[glarius]

7. Correction: America is ONE OF the greatest countries in the world!

Sorry, but as a Canadian I have to correct you....I'm sure other progressive countries would feel the same....No offenceQ...:)

[Lex]

10. Exactly!

.
I'm a proud American (well, I was before Bush was selected, but I'm hoping that's cured soon) . . . anyway, as I was saying,

I'm a proud American, but why can't other Americans see that there are plenty of other great countries in the world too and the people who live there LOVE THEIR COUNTRIES TOO, and furthermore, wouldn't dream of leaving them to come here.

[Cronus Protagonist]

11. I like Canada too, but Canadians don't vote in America

Americans do, and they want their country to be number one, as you know. This is about a battle for the minds of the American voters, hence one must take it to them in ways they can understand.

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[lanparty]

8. Look for fault within yourself ...

... before blaming others.

Why????

Simple. You really can't change the OTHER guy. You CAN change yourself!!!!

[Cronus Protagonist]

9. Don't fall into the trap of supporting their "blame" position

When you make these biblical references to the splinter in our own eye and also try to justify why it IS America's fault, you support their position and their meme.

You will lose the battle for the minds of America before you even start. This is a very dangerous meme that the Republicans are putting out.

Please don't support them. Don't do it.

Tell them you blame BUSH first, his cabinet second, and they're ALL Republicans.

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[eridani]

13. When did you start thinking that Bush and his gang of psychopaths--

--was "America?" Don't the rest of us poor saps who just live here have some claim to the title?

[Cronus Protagonist]

15. You're not reading my post or it's not clear

This thread is about the meme that the Republicans are plastering all over the country, that "Liberals blame America first" and how to counter that. The counter to that, which I am proposing, is to say, "We blame BUSH first" and his cabinet second.

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[eridani]

28. My response was intended to be another possible answer n/t

[Cronus Protagonist]

32. Oh, I get it. I changed the title to try to make it clearer anyway...

So my misunderstanding had a beneficial effect anyway. :)

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[leeman67]

17. Why do conservatives always blame CLINTON first?

:)

[Cronus Protagonist]

18. That could have its own thread - they blame LIBERALS first, then Clinton

Consider reposting it in its own thread - it's a valid question.

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[ClassWarrior]

21. Criticize, not blame.

Creative criticism, as a matter of fact. It's the only country I can do anything about. And by the definition of democracy, it's my responsiblity to do something about it.

[dumpster_baby]

23. We American Citizens OWN America, We will blame who we damn well please!

America is OUR property. We OWN this country. We hire politicans and govt bureaucrats to run our country for us, and for our benefit. If we feel that America is being run poorly, or it is being run to benefit mainly corporations or the wealthy, then we are going to raise hell. If I feel America is being run irresponsibly and immorally, then as an OWNER of America, then I am going to raise hell.

We do not owe America anything (although I served 6 years in the military for a bogus corporate imperialist regime); instead those who are elected to run America owe US. They are "public servants," and they damn well better start acting like it! Or heads WILL roll.

[Cronus Protagonist]

25. Great rant :)

Add it to the pile of thousands of others, though.

In order to get that idea back, that the politicians are servants of the people, we need to stop electing multimillionaires and start electing people who are happy to have a job. We need to subvert their propaganda if we're going to accomplish that.

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[dumpster_baby]

41. not really any golden past of good govt / also propaganda memes

Well, I do not think that I am calling for any return to some better past. Yes, maybe the 50s, in some ways, because tax rates were higher and jobs were protected. But otherwise, there is no golden age of good govt that we can return to. I am just trying to move forward, as most of the countries in western europe have done. They have remade their countries so that the people are more in charge and so that the govt is run for the benefit of the people. Same for Australia and Canada to some degree.

It is all about propagating propaganda memes that recognize that this is our country, that we own it (Thanks, Ross Perot, for that phrase), and that it should be run for the benefit of the average citizen. Is that so radical?

[Autobot77]

24. Liberals don't blame America

Conservatives claim liberals blame America First because Liberals actually acknowledge mistakes and bad policy decisions of our government and in the simplistic view of Repukes it means we "Blame America First". Just like they think that anyone who dares to criticize America is a traitor or aiding terrorists

[Cronus Protagonist]

26. That's true, but it's too nuanced to work as a propaganda tool

That's why I think we need to have a counter slogan for every slogan the BFEE can come up with.... hence...

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[LoZoccolo]

27. "So you admit there's blame...

...if you're changing the subject."

[Cronus Protagonist]

30. Yes, Bush is at fault - there's plenty of blame to go around.

The buck stops at Bush. He's to blame.

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[Delano]

29. I don't blame Bush "first" or America.

I blame Bush for what he has done. I don't blame him for causing 9-11, but I do blame him for failing to respond. I don't blame him for every every bus bombing in Israel, but I do blame him for not making the $10 bil in aid we give annually to Israel contiingent on their sincere efforts at peace and withdrawal from the occupied territories.

Whenever a plane crashes my wife is all "It must be Bush's fault". I don't play that. I need some evidence...

[Cronus Protagonist]

I think I hear you saying you want evidence

But here's the rub, is a CEO to blame for his company losing money even if he didn't do anything specifically criminal or negligent? I think the law is clear here, the entire culture of the company, or in this case the Bush administration, is set and maintained by the person in charge.

And even if you disagree with that statement, surely the person in charge is responsible for detecting abuse, correcting it and punishing or ejecting the abusers?

It's Bush's fault. He's to blame.

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[Delano]

42. On specific issues, there are a TON of things I blame Bush for

All I'm saying is that my automatic default position is not to blame Dumbya for every bad thing that happens, and certainly not the 300 million people that comprise "America"

For instance, 300 thousand plus Japanese were murdered Aug 6 and 9 of 1945, but I don't blame "America" - they never heard of the hideous doomsay bomb Oppenheimer had devised.

I DO blame Truman, and in spite of his many laudable achievements can never look at him as anything other than a cold-blooded killer. I didn't have to be done. The same goes for Bush's recent murder of Baghdad.

And please don't come to me with a bunch of phony reasons why the a-bomb on civilians was an acceptable way to end the war. If it was okay then, it's okay for Pyongyang, Hanoi and Baghdad, and we'd have no right to complain when an enemy dropped on on our cities during a theoretical future war.

Personally, I'm disappointed that the president and congress haven't yet issued a formal apology to the people of Japan for the unnecessary killing of civilians and a decree condemning any use of atomic weapons in the future, including the depleted uranium shells that may be making Americanns and Iraqis sick right now.

[jmags]

33. Counter it with the quotes of Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell

after 9.11.

Why did 3,000 Americans die according to them? Because of American society. Never forget that, according to them, those 19 terrorists who killed so many innocent lives were doling out God's punishment for our country's sins.

That is the only response you need.

[Cronus Protagonist]

35. They blamed liberals, women, atheists, gay people, etc.

Not American society. Here's a link to the video of their wonderful claims that God was the perpetrator of 9/11 because the US let these groups of people exist...

Video:
http://cronus.com/images/Jerry_Falwell_and_Pat_Robertson_S11.mpg

Audio for people with slower connections:
http://cronus.com/images/jerry_falwell_patty_robertson.mp3

[PurityOfEssence]

34. I blame America Firsters, that's who I blame

When they ask you why you hate America, remind them that they're not America. "You're not America, what makes you think YOU'RE America? You don't own it. You don't live up to it. You don't even like most of it. What makes you think you're America."

Stops 'em cold.

[Cronus Protagonist]

36. I agree with you but...

I suspect that's not going to work as well as a counter-meme. We need propaganda that works, not necessarily nuances. I can see your position cutting them down, and my position places blame where it should be, at the top. Perhaps they could be used together :)


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[camero]

38. America should act like America

and not Nazi Germany. It's my answer anyway.

[Selwynn]

39. Actually, I do blame America first. Because...

...the problems that effect the world have the problems of America at their center, and the problems of America are bigger, deeper and have a much longer history than one man, even a man as bad as Bush.

So my answer is: Because I believe in telling the truth.

[tkmorris]

40. It's called "personal responsibility"

That's right, the very same "personal responsibility" that the Right wing claims we lack. Let me explain.

I have a daughter. Well three actually but let's just deal with this one. She went through a bit of a phase where whenever anything occurred that she might be blamed for, she pointed fingers. "Not my fault!", she'd exclaim, to anyone who would listen. It was her sister, the dog, poor manufacture, poor design, my fault due to poor parental instructions, the sun in her eyes, the moon in her eyes, etc etc.

My lesson for her was that in any situation all anyone can control is what they do themselves. If her sister is itching for an argument for example, she has no control over that but she CAN and SHOULD do her best to maintain control over how she handles it. Furthermore, stacking glassware five high to carry to the kitchen and then blaming the dog when it startles you does no good either. I taught her that SHE can only do the best SHE can, others must control themselves.

And in the end, that is why I look to what America does wrong. Because I am America you see, together with you and you and you. Are there bad men in the world? Absolutely, and they bear much blame for the things they cause. But at the end of the day I want to be PROUD of America, and proud to be an American, because I will know that we did the very best we could have done. I want to know that there is nothing I have to be ashamed of. I want to know that no matter the outcome, America held her head high and lived up to the principles I was taught it believed in way back in elementary school. I want to be able to fly my flag without being ashamed of those who acted on it's behalf.

I want my fucking country back.