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ItsMyParty Donating Member (835 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 06:27 PM
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Reagan's Death is Detrimental and Harmful to Bush
Now Bush has two major opponents in November--Kerry and Reagan; and he is losing to both.

The Republican driven, over-the-top rhetoric delivered by the Republican media friends has turned Reagan into an icon, a larger than life figure, a veritable saint. It all makes Bush look small, irrelevant and unimportant.

The “great communicator’ vs. the inarticulate bumpkin. The man celebrated for international outreach making enemies into friends vs. the inept, usurper who has driven away all international friends. The carefully chosen clips to make Reagan look “presidential” vs. the pig they cannot clean up and put lipstick on and peddle as ‘presidential’. The images of the elegant and gracious state dinners honoring visiting heads of state vs. Jeb Clampett and Ms. Frump.

The images the republicans are creating fit well with the dignity, bearing and eloquence of Kerry and seem like pearls cast before Bush swine. They miscalculated. They have diminished Bush even further.
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Don_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 06:30 PM
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1. Madame Tussard Herself
Couldn't make Chimpy "look" presidential.
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ItsMyParty Donating Member (835 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 06:35 PM
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5. Don, I feel they totally overplayed this one
They knew they were going into ultra-hype and had dreams of it being a Bush Booster. But just like the WWI memorializing resulted in Kerry gaining even more ground in the polls, this too is another nail in the Bush political coffin.
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 06:34 PM
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2. Bush is also competing against himself
Every boneheaded thing he does harms him more.

He will wind up hanging himself with his own rope. Just like his father.
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salinen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 06:34 PM
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3. Very will put
You can't turn "The Sopranos" into "The Waltons"
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 06:35 PM
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4. There are plenty of young people out there who
have got to be watching this whole Reagan thing and going, "What the f----!!??" He was old, he had a rich happy life, why are people making such a big deal?

The young are pretty used to life without "daddy", i.e. without a strong father figure, so they aren't going to miss this guy that much.

Too bad they don't vote.
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Piperay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 06:38 PM
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6. Agree, the BIGGER Reagan gets
the smaller the chimp becomes. :evilgrin:
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 06:39 PM
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7. Very good post
The Repukes are being hoist on their own petard.
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Cyrano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 06:53 PM
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9. Just as a point of interest, a petard is a fart
and a fart by any other name would smell as foul whether it was laid by a Reagan or a Bush.
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 07:24 PM
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16. A petard is an old kind of grenade
The Latin root is the flatulent part. :)
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Cyrano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 07:27 PM
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17. I stand corrected
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 06:47 PM
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8. I think so, too.....
and nobody knows this better than Chimpy himself....:evilgrin:

Perhaps his over-excited, manic behavior at the Press Conference today was, along with relief that the G8 is over, his attempt to BE more like Ronnie - jovial, positive, personable, and popular.

DemEx
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ItsMyParty Donating Member (835 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 06:53 PM
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10. I think his G8 bizzare behavior is more reflective
of him thinking he has scored in pulling the wool over the people's eyes again--he has not. The UN resolution simply recognizes the Iraqi government (as would be expected). His push for NATO bailing out his sorry hide was met with opposition. He thinks he has material to sling at Kerry. And I am positive Kerry will put it into perspective for the American people. And also, Monday morning is only 3 days away and then Reagan and WWII memorials are gone and Bush's inept governing is back. I think he thinks he has solved it all and he will reign in the polls in a week or two, burying Kerry by 20 points. He doesn't realize that no one is listening to him anymore. And the press would be wize to realize it also.
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Cyrano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 06:59 PM
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12. Much of the press seems to be turning on him
When you live by PR, you die by PR. However, regardless of the press, let's not forget that these people will do ANYTHING to stay in power. No matter how insane his actions, words or deeds, BushCo still controls all the levers of power. And no one on this planet can feel safe until they are dragged away from the control panel.
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BlackActivist Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 06:54 PM
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11. Reagan's death will not affect the race one way or the other.
Edited on Thu Jun-10-04 06:55 PM by BlackActivist
This is just from looking at polls since his (Reagan's) death. They're practically unchanged.
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ItsMyParty Donating Member (835 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 07:04 PM
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13. Exactly---as I said in my post
The republicans were thinking this would all rub off on their inept fool. It has not. They made a national idol by mistake and now Bush cannot compete with it. He does not stand to benefit from all this hype.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 07:10 PM
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14. Don't forget that this week was "I'm a world leader week" for AWOL
The UN vote--normally a huge news item
D-Day ceremonies--huge puff piece opportunity
G-8 Summit--showing how he can charm world leaders and pretend they don't hate his guts


Instead, we got corner to corner Ron-o-vision.
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kaitykaity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 07:20 PM
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15. They don't understand that this moment won't
last forever.

Bush has been so beaten up for the past several months
that they are taking this event and trying for all their
worth to reverse the damange.

What they don't understand is that this is transitory,
and the problems/scandals are still out there waiting
to bite their boy in the butt.

Let them have their 15 minutes. They are making huge
mistakes in their desperation, and those help us as well.

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Cyrano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 07:45 PM
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18. Don't underestimate them.
Fifteen minutes? Hitler's 15 minutes turned into 13 years and over 50 million deaths.

And don't hand me any crap about not comparing this administration to Hitler. They're in power and they'll do anything to remain in power.

Do you think they care who has to die to let them remain in control?

Do you think they have a conscience?

Do you think they would stop at concentration camps? (Check out Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib and all the other sites of their world-wide archipelago.)

WAKE UP. These shits will stop at nothing. Cheney was always a first class authoritarian thug and Bush is so fucking stupid, he'd probably invade Russia just as winter was coming on (check out Napoleon and Hitler on this one).

We are currently being run by a criminals (and possibly psychos) who don't give a shit about anything but their own power. And they probably realize that if they lose in November, they might well be answerable to the world court in the Hague.
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kaitykaity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 08:00 PM
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19. Why are you YELLING at me???
If you want to be pessimistic, you go right ahead.

All I was trying to say is this Reagan worship will
pass, the media will get bored, and all the crap that
Bush is running from is going to catch him once again.

Haven't you been paying attention? Check out the Ruppert
piece about a CIA coup here, and come back and talk
to me about how "all-powerful" these incompetent thugs
are.

They are making big mistakes here--the first and biggest
one being cutting Democrats out of the funeral ceremony.
Americans' sense of fair play will be sorely offended
by such a showing of partisan rancor.

So lighten up, will you?
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Cyrano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 08:26 PM
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20. Sorry kaitykaity
I wasn't yelling at you. I was venting my opinion/fear that this administration won't go quietly. I'm fully aware that the CIA and DOD is on their case and is trying to bury them. But Rove is aware of the same things. These despicable pigs are at their most dangerous when they're cornered and right now, all the exits are quickly closing.

My anger/frustration wasn't directed at you. As long as these people control the levers of power, no one on this planet is safe. And their don't seem to be any adults in this administration to prevent these lunatics from using our nuclear arsenal. I won't sleep well until Bush and company are far removed from doing any more damage to the human race.
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kaitykaity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 08:38 PM
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21. I understand.
I've felt those same things since the 2000 coup. I also
agree that they are lowlifes who will do anything to win.

But I also think that Rove and Co. deep down are cowards.
Most bullies are cowards underneath, and they might want to
take the last, ultimate step, but I don't think that they
have the stones for it.

They are being boxed in, and there's nothing that they
can do to stop their own inevitable downfall.

It's all good. :hug:

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Cyrano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 08:41 PM
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22. From your lips to God's ear
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 09:02 PM
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23. They do have the stones to do it! They have nothing to lose.
Hopefully, our pals, the secret service will do their job and protect our country from the domestic terrorism of a wannabe president, flanked by an overzealous right guard, hellbent to leather to destroy what they cannot have.

They (SS) are witnessing way more than we'll ever know. Bush is on his good behavior in front of the cameras. But come next week, when he is yet again blindsided with another volley of accusations aka LIES...his schizoid paranoia will kick in once again, because nobody, not even Poppy, has been able to make this nightmare go away..(it's taking him this long to figure it out)

I feel a Frog Marching coming on!
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kaitykaity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 09:06 PM
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24. And when it does, I'm going to send
Ambassador Joseph Wilson a big thank you card.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree about the
presence or absence of 'stones'. I think they're
bullies, and bullies usually run away crying when
you hit them back.


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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 09:47 PM
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25. Yes, I want to give him a big hug for having 'the stones' to advocate
for his wife...

I agree, bullies are cowards.
Until you go in for the kill.

If they have nowhere to run
they become unpredictable.

They will either lethally blame their own.
Commit suicide, or try to do away with the aggressor.
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kaitykaity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 09:52 PM
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26. I'm a hetero girl . . .
I'd want to give him more than a hug. :evilgrin:

I think that the powers-that-be have decided to cut
Bush loose. He's too unreliable, and his schtick has
grown old. Bush is costing them more than he is benefiting
them, and there are just too many people (CIA, State,
Pentagon) who are into the act now.

Hell, Bush doesn't even have the media unquestionably
swallowing anymore.


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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-04 10:43 PM
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27. Bush doesn't even have his father's support...
What with all the beautiful minds they've spawned.
kaitykaity...naughty, naughty..:evilgrin:
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