Holy rolling moron in Alabama refuses to remove

[drdigi420]

giant 10 commandments from courthouse.

He actually claims that the Federal Govt is trying to take away the STATES right to "acknowledge god".

The STATE has NO SUCH RIGHT. Matter of fact, it is expressly PROHIBITED by the US Constitution.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

1. They have no right!!!!

The Plaque must be removed by LAW Mr. MOORE!!!!! YOU ARE BREAKING THE LAW SIR! YOU ARE MOCKING OUR CONSTITUTION BY DOING THIS!!!!

[Cush]

2. well

according to his logic, the 10 Commandments are at the foundation of the US (he said something long those lines)

A new matyr for the Right?

[NoKingGeorge]

8. If it not in a religous context?

I know the Constitution. But are you saying that if I like a series of words from some book (the Bible even) that I do not have the right to advertise what I think is a noble expression? I.E. just because the items came from a religous book I cannot express them?
If these same admonitions came from Peter Pan or from Shakespeare(sp?) could I post them? Would you allow that ? How about words that are common to scripture ,like 'thou' and 'Him' can I use these?

[Warpy]

12. We see a problem

...when those words and/or symbols are from a religion of any description, and that religion is alone in enjoying state sanction on state property.

I detest any breach of the church/state barrier, as it always degrades both.

[PurityOfEssence]

13. Read the First Commandment

I paraphrase: I am the big damn Witchy Man, and I definitely exist, so shut your mouth and listen up, you inferior: Thou shalt knuckle under and obey my will above all else, especially those paltry secular "laws" of yours.

This it destructive to society.

Where we draw the line about using five words in sequence from some allegedly good book is another matter; the endorsement of the concept of a deity is illegal. That's not just ANY deity that is the problem, it's the very concept that's at issue.

[Cush]

18. I'm not saying it

He did. Trust me, a church is one if the last places you'll find me

[DEMActivist]

3. The First Amendment to the US Constitution

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or of the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/

[bowens43]

4. This bozo needs to gop to jail for contempt of court.

This guy and those like him are no differ then the taliban yet right wingers will be falling on their knees in adoration.

[tom_paine]

5. Similar philospohies, different Imaginary Cloud Beings

I also like your unintended pun...he should GOP to jail.

[Sick of Bullshit]

25. The coud beings have the same origin

Personally, I think the concept of the Trinity might have come from the three religions that originated in Jerusalem:

Father: Judaism
Son: Christianity
Holy Ghost: Islam

[NoKingGeorge]

11. Who's the Bozo?

Is he a Bozo because he is challenging something he believes ,( I often challenge the law for things I believe (pot,etc) OR is he a Bozo because unlike you he recognizes the soul or spiritual self?

[xcentrik]

15. Neither!

He is a bozo because he has permitted a fundamentalist Christian group to erect a massive shrine (not a plaque) in a public building with the express purpose of using the power of the government to favor his version of Christianity and cram his religious beliefs down the throats of others.

[bowens43]

19. He's a bozo

for defying the court order and in the process , defiling the Constitution while trying to cram his own particular religious beliefs down the throats of others. As far as my spirituality goes, don't make assumptions.

[drdigi420]

20. Recognizes? or Fantasizes?

Doesn't matter, that's not the argument.

The problem is when he has the STATE officially endorse a religion, which violates the rights of those who follow other religions or none at all.

[Stuckinthebush]

6. It sounds like he needs to be disbarred

Can you do that to a judge?

[MnAtty]

9. You sure can

[Bake]

7. This could turn into a genuine constitutional crisis

No less than George Wallace blocking the doors in the 60's. Ever since Chief Justice Marshall in the late 1800's declared, in Marbury v. Madison, "It is distinctly the province of the Court to declare WHAT THE LAW IS," we have historically, as a nation, recognized that our form of government depends upon the consent of the governed and adherence to the constitution. Moore's actions make a mockery of this. The governor, if he takes no action, makes a mockery of this. If the state refuses to obey the court's lawful order, it should be enforced by federal authorities -- of course, who here really supposes Atty. Gen. Asscrack will do that? Nevermind that he swore to uphold the law regardless of his personal beliefs.

This is serious, folks.

Bake

[MattPSU]

10. How did this man ever become a judge?

He was just on FAUX news and I swear, the guy interviewing him had an almost zealous gleam in his eye..Judge Moore is arguing that since the Declaration of Independence acknowledges a creator, he can recognize his "creator" wherever he damn well pleases. As far as I know, the Declaration is an extra-constitutional document which carries no force of law. Those who wrote it and those who received it were living in the context of an Established church - an establishment expressly forbidden in the Constitution (which Judge Moore, at this point in his career, should realize is the supreme law of the land).

[goobergunch]

16. elected by Alabamians...

who have now replaced Mississippians for the most idiotic electorate.

[goobergunch]

17. dupe (n/t)

[realFedUp]

14. Spending state money

while female prisoners get shipped off to other states
because of poor conditions of jails in Alabama...

[alcuno]

21. What a weak Christian: It's so sad to see the shallow fundies...

and their pathetic need to label and stamp everything "Approved by Christ." Moore is not only a disgrace to the Alabama judicial system, but to all Christian faiths. "Oh ye of little faith."

[Blue_Chill]

22. Commandments plaque can remain outside Pittsburgh courthouse

PITTSBURGH — A federal judge ruled that a plaque of the Ten Commandments that has hung for 85 years on a wall outside the Allegheny County courthouse does not violate the constitutional separation of church and state and can remain in place.

Amazing how not all judges, even federal, agree on such matters. You wouldn't know it by reading the posts on DU which make it sound like such things are 100% unconstitutional all the time. I guess they haven't visited the US supreme court in a while.

Atheist and Pittsburgh attorney James Moore, one of two men who said they were offended by the plaque, declined comment yesterday.

I always wonder about those that are so easily offended. Are they really offended or are they just using the current trend in court rulings to push their views on those they accuse of doing the very same thing?

BTW - I agree this guy should take down the monument, only because I feel he had bad intentions when he put it up in the first place. One doesn't usually sneak monuments around in the middle of the night when one feels they are appropriate.

[drdigi420]

23. That judge is wrong

The constitution protects us from the state supporting/sponsoring/endorsing religion.

Pittsburgh being wrong does not make Alabama right.

[Blue_Chill]

26. So you and Mr. Alabama have something in common

Both of you think you know better then federal judges. And I'm sure both of you would fight for what you beleive in.

[Bake]

27. Judges are wrong frequently

Look at Judge Roy Moore -- everybody agrees HE's wrong. The Pittsburgh court is wrong too. In constitutional terms, it doesn't matter if it's been there 85 years or 85 seconds. It's still wrong. Courts make mistakes. That's why there is an appeals process. In this case (Pittsburgh), it was the Court of Appeals' mistake. That's why there is a Supreme Court (which is a little scary these days).

And as a lawyer, I **frequently** think I know more than judges!

:-)

Bake

[rocktivity]

24. Remove the monument AND the judge!

If it were a 3500-pound Bhudda you can bet he'd be screaming bloody murder (if you pardon the expression)!

rocknation