The saddest picture I've ever seen. I'm not going to post it you'll have

[dArKeR]

to go to this link:
http://www.news24.com/News24/HomeLite/

I don't want to in any way hurt/harm/disrespect James E Wright so I don't want to post it. Maybe one of you can?

Something I'm pretty sure of, I cry more than ALL of the GOP Leadership combined. I cry more than the Bush Family. And I cry just as much as all their families do.

With reality setting in, I don't see how this boy could solute to an establishment of leaders who don't even know how many of our soldiers have been killed let alone how many have been wounded?

[Bhaisahab]

1. here's the pic

PAYING RESPECTS: Iraqi war casualty corporal James E Wright salutes the casket of former president Ronald Reagan in the Capitol, Washington. (Eric Gay, AP)

people gotta see what should be seen...

[mhr]

3. Speechless!

eom

[Career Prole]

14. Hey kid...lose the bathrobe and get your uniform on.

We need a picture. The Commander-in-Chief needs your help.

Edited to add this is the same cynical shit as the picture they snapped of bush* jogging with the one-legged soldier. They either have a peculiar fetish in that party or they want to show the ignorantia that even our blown-up boys love the boss. :puke:

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

90. I keep thinking "The Holy Grail"

[malatesta1137]

2. This guy is saluting

the very man who sold WMD to Saddam, the 'reason' we went to a war he lost his hand/arm in. How ironic. I will pray for him and for Reagan tonight.

[clearconscious]

5. Saddam

Saddam was a bad man.

[thebigidea]

6. George, is that you?

[clearconscious]

8. Yea

Yea right.

[LibertyorDeath]

97. A very very bad man brought to power with the help of the CIA

and Armed to the teeth by the USA under Reagan

Sold chemical weapons by the USA

Yes a very very bad man a megalomaniac monster

Who could call America friend for more than 2 decades
until he was no longer useful to American geo-political interests.

The most ludicrous statement I have ever heard is America is bringing Democracy to Iraq. They are bringing death & destruction & Torture to
innocent Iraqi's who happen to live on top of the Worlds second largest OIL supply.

America already has 16 Military bases in Iraq There was no exit strategy because as long as their is Oil in the ME there will be no exit.

This has absolutely nothing to do with Terrorism.

Zero This is about whom ever controls the Worlds Oil supply controls the World.

The Neo cons will do all they can to achieve this.

[drdtroit]

10. And...

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

15. And?

Do you think that's a news bulletin or something?

[clearconscious]

16. And..

Its probably a good thing he is out of power. Regardless of who is responsible for it.

[thebigidea]

18. why not go to Iraq and see if that's true? They'll welcome ya with flowers

We don't like sacrificing thousands of lives for "probably."

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

20. I suggest you enlist

and go over there and help the cause.

By the by, who in this thread said it is too bad Saddam Hussein is not in power anymore? I can't find that post....oh that's because it isn't here!

He was an employee of our government in the 80s buddy. We MADE that monster.

[clearconscious]

24. Too old

I'm to old to enlist.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

26. Isn't that convenient?

But would you if you were young enough? THAT'S the $64 million question.

Also do you support this war? Do you think it was right? Are you totally ok with it?

[clearconscious]

56. Tough question for a 41 year old.

I almost joined out of HS but my brother was in and said don't join now. So I didn't.

[thebigidea]

32. many of our fine civilian contractors could use your services

You MUST help rebuild Iraq! They need you, to help show them what freedom from choice really is.

[clearconscious]

59. Sales?

I'm a salesman so I don't know if I would be any good in Iraq. I guess I could drive a truck. Your asking me all these questions so ....

Would you join up if you were young enough?

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

61. You can't ask him that until YOU answer it

since you never really answered it to me above, along with my other questions about THIS war.

[thebigidea]

64. Iraq could use sales... it would benefit from bright go-getters like you

think of the boost to the economy you could provide! They'd probably name a street after you or something in gratitude.

[clearconscious]

67. Maybe

Maybe I'll wait until the dust settles and then go over and make a fortune. I'm not trained to protect myself in a hostile environment.

[thebigidea]

70. that's why we have fine companies like Blackwater!

You'll be in good hands. Safe hands.

Remember, they WANT us there. They want our freedom. Can't you hear them, crying out for you? Can't you hear how keenly they crave the zesty taste of liberty?

The fortunes are being made NOW, in case you haven't noticed. Look at Halliburton!

If you wait, you'll miss the chance of a lifetime.

YOU could get in on the ground floor.

You could make a KILLING! Literally!

[clearconscious]

75. Big

That is not funny man or woman what ever you are. Killing.


Sorry I know many in the military and some that are home now and they say that it is not as bad as the media makes it out to be. The Iraqi's are glad we are there for the most part. Wouldn't you be happy to be free of living under a vicious killer . Now tell me you can't answer yes to that?

[thebigidea]

78. Not only is it NOT AS BAD as the librul media says... its PARADISE!

The streets are paved with gold, cinammon, and ice cream sprinkles!

The rivers run white with marshmallow goo!

The blood tastes like strawberry!

Would your friends be lying to you?

[clearconscious]

82. No lies

The only gold paved anything was in the Presidential palaces. I don't see any gold paved shit in the Whitehouse do you?


Oops, can I say shit here?

[thebigidea]

89. say, clear - guess who lives in those palaces now?

[clearconscious]

92. Palace

I want his job. I want to live in a palace!

[thebigidea]

94. I'm telling you, there's money to made off the backs of those Iraqis

get thee to Baghdad!

Go East, young man! Go reaaaally East!

[clearconscious]

96. Can I go west just for

Nostalgic reasons. I go all the way around the world just like the frontiersman that won the west.

[thebigidea]

100. looks like there are some new Indians in town to cheat, too!

They're not quite Indians, but at least they're not white or anything... and that's all that matters, right?

Manifest Destiny!
Global Hegemony!

This is the dawning of a NEW AMERICAN CENTURY.

May God Continue to Bless America.

G'night.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

108. Yes I would be happy if in November

we got rid of the vicious killer in the White House. That would make me VERY happy.

[clearconscious]

Every

President, Prime Minister, King etc. has had to make the decision to kill. So too would Kerry in todays global environment. You don't think he would?????

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

120. I KNOW bush would

that's the difference. And I KNOW Kerry has been IN a war, and a particularly bad one, too, he's experienced it firsthand. Don't you know people who have actually experienced warfare up close and personal are far more realistic about the cost of war, human and otherwise, than people who sat on the sidelines?

As for the Iraqi decision, this was the wrong war. It was an immoral, unjust preemptive, no strike that, PREVENTIVE attack on another country. In other words, it was WRONG. AND to make matters worse, bush and his team has bungled it at every turn. But then we've got people like you who cheer and rah rah like he got third place in the Special Olympics if he so much as says one sentence without screwing it up.

That is NOT the kind of person I want running my country. No thanks.

As for you, have fun, I am going to bed. I am also ending any kind of discussion with you because it was clear to me about ten posts ago which side you are on.

[clearconscious]

127. Goodnight., I leave you with this thought

I suppose you have access to the kind of information that it would take to run a country and can prove all you type.

[thebigidea]

128. this coming from the man who thinks liberals are coming for his guns

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

137. Well I've been studying the Middle East

and Middle Eastern policy WRT the United States and Europe since 1990.

Specifically WRT Iraq.

So yeah, I'd say I base my opinions on actual research and not just air. Or talking heads on Fox News or something.

I know what I'm talking about. Down below you spout off about how great the economy was under Reagan. That ALONE makes me wonder if you:

1. Are actually a liberal being very satirical (and good job, if so!)
2. Are mentally unstable
3. Suffered a head injury and are living in an opposite skit.

Dunno. But you lost ALL credibility when you said that. Even my Republican friends don't argue for the economy under Reagan, hell's bells.

[TheWatcher]

144. Of course! Better a Rich Coward

Than a brave individual who sticks up for their convictions.

There's the Entrepreneurial Spirit!

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

21. P.S. Where's your profile?

[clearconscious]

25. Newbie

Newbie too shy

[Forkboy]

27. did you mean "clearsconcience"?

[clearconscious]

30. Yes

Probly

[Forkboy]

33. Did you mean "probably"?

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

36. He prolly does.

[clearconscious]

45. Sorry

Too used to automatic spell checker cause I never learned to type.

[thebigidea]

51. then you might want to use the uh, automatic spell checker.

[clearconscious]

54. How do you do that?

Oh I see it now.

[AbbeyRoad]

28. George W. Bush

is a bad man too. And it'll definitely be a good thing once he's out of power.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

29. Good point.

[Name removed]

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[thebigidea]

34. I dunno, by not having assholes like Don Rumsfeld around?

By not having puppetstrings leading to Dick Cheney?

By not swallowing whole Bill Kristol's bullshit PNAC sammich?

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

35. You're not too ignorant that you can't

click on http://www.johnkerry.com are you?

You can find all the answers to your questions there. Go on, I dare ya. There's a box in the upper right hand corner, one tab says Issues. Click on any of those you want.

Do you support bush?

[thebigidea]

37. "Do you support bush?" He thinks Dianne Feinstein is a crazed extremist

I'll give you three guesses!

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

38. You know this clear guy?

I've never seen him before....

[thebigidea]

39. We used to form the best two-man volleyball team on the east coast

he's on an inane post rampage tonight. I don't think it'll last much longer.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

44. He's only got 17 posts

though. Did he used to go by another name?

[clearconscious]

47. What you don't have any faith in me?

What did I do to attract all this attention. Poor spelling?

[thebigidea]

49. Any one who considers Dianne Feinstein a crazed liberal extremist...

... fills me with faith, love, and respect.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

58. Pssst

I'm not from California and I don't follow some senators as much as others....what IS Feinstein???

[thebigidea]

60. a pretty hawkish centrist... Liebermanesque, without the whine

to see her as a "liberal extremist" is just outright deluded.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

62. Oh LORD

no kidding. I checked out her website to try to figure it out, but hell's bells, they give nothing away on those things...

[clearconscious]

63. Don't play with me Moon

I was raised in the home of a Law Enforcement father and have always been around firearms. Personally I don't own many but I do believe I have the right to. It appears that she would have all guns removed from all Americans.

[thebigidea]

65. it would appear so only to someone living in Bizarro World

"It appears that she would have all guns removed from all Americans. "

I suppose you could provide a single quote backing up that claim, hmm?

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

68. Give me a freaking break

do you have assault weapons in your home? Uzis?

I am just as much for owning guns as anyone. I am in TEXAS for crying out loud. I OWN two guns myself.

But hell's bells, I just was reading on her website about her voting record on this. As a gun owner, the stuff she voted for doesn't scare me a bit.

Deep breath, clear. No one's coming to take your little handgun and 18" shotgun away, ok?

[clearconscious]

71. Aussie's

You don't think that what happened in Australia couldn't happen here?

[thebigidea]

72. you think what happened in Germany couldn't happen here?

Wake up and smell the Adolf.

[clearconscious]

77. No

No I most certainly do not.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

79. You DON'T think it COULDN'T happen here?

So that means you DO think it could happen here (Germany).

Ok.

[clearconscious]

86. ???/

Are you in Germany?

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

88. Adolf Hitler's Germany happening here

are you being this clueless on purpose or what? I am seriously not trying to be insulting here, but weren't we talking about Hitler's Germany?

[clearconscious]

91. Oh

Sorry I missed that one.


No couldn't happen here for maybe 200-300 years. Because no matter who is in the Whitehouse we are still in the streets. You me and all the people that love to disagree but also love this country!

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

93. But you think one senator

can take away all our guns, huh?

That doesn't make any sense at all.

[clearconscious]

95. Not one Senator ...

But many democratic senators that agree on the gun issues.

[thebigidea]

103. but you don't have a single quote about "taking all the guns away"

[clearconscious]

105. This

Sucks, How come you have to have a subject for every post on this board.

[thebigidea]

109. kinda sucks bein' a half-dead mouse being toyed with by a cat, eh?

[clearconscious]

114. How...

Nice of you to take the usual defensive stance. You are not a mouse and I am not a Cat.

[thebigidea]

115. meow, my good man. Meow.

[clearconscious]

118. Meow

Is that all you can do. Meow?

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

122. Duh HE'S the cat. Sheesh. Is this an act? Seriously.....

[thebigidea]

124. wouldn't it be funny if it turns out I was just a full blown schizoid...

... and was actually arguing with MYSELF at lightning speeds?

In different voices?

[Name removed]

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[thebigidea]

138. you might as well go to bed, I can pick it up from here.

clearconscious: "Pick what up? What needs picking. Whats this with meowing and Carter? Reagan's economy helped the country pick up steam which it had lost under Carter. If we didn't have Reagan cutting taxes, Bill Clinton never would've had such a great economy that was actually very bad."

thebigidea: "That's because you've hit upon something relatively trendy, a little thing we like to call cognitive dissonance."

clearconscious: "What's that. Please explain."

thebigidea: "It means whatever some snooty Salon writer wants it to mean."

clearconscious: "Salon? That liberal site? I only read them when they have David Horowitz. He knows what hes talking about."

thebigidea: "He's a raving loon."

clearconscious: "So are you for having a conversation with yourself."

thebigidea: "Well, its late at night and the computer is rendering video. I have to kill time."

(and with that, clearconscious is tombstoned... but he'll live on forever, in each and every one of our hearts. Good night, folks. Drive safely.)

[thebigidea]

81. why? Aren't crazy liberals just as bad as nazis in your mind?

where are they gonna stop after they take your guns away?

They're not going to stop, clearconscious. Let me let you in on a little secret: John Kerry intends to establish a system of camps for people who make snide comments about Jimmy Carter. You better watch what you do, watch what you say.

Can't you hear it, clear? That sound in the distance?

Its Hillary Clinton.

Coming for you.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

84. No it's the

CLINTIS!!! Coming to get him!!!!!

(No pun intended. Or did I intend it?)

[clearconscious]

87. No No

Mr. Bill Ooooooooooohhhhhhh.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

74. Clear

rest yourself there buddy. No one is coming to take your guns away from you. No, go back and read that again.

Do you really think people need Uzis and shit like that? I'm a gunowner and I don't.

Is there any legislation pending for taking away handguns and such? Hell, I live in a state where you can get a license and carry them around without needing to even tell anyone about it!

Now, think about this logically, if she was so maniacal, so HELL-bent on removing EVERY gun from EVERY American, don't you think she'd be introducing legislation on it ALL the freaking time until she got it passed?

And even if she DID, what are the chances she'd get it passed?

I'll tell you. Nil. Because even liberals like me own guns and think we have the right to. That's why. So chill out.
So are you a one-issue kinda guy or what?

[clearconscious]

80. MAny issues

But you guys are wearing me out.........

[thebigidea]

83. and you're wearing thin, eh?

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

85. Well THAT was easy, then.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

50. Low post number, no profile

and you seem to be defending the bush regime/junta. Any more questions?

[clearconscious]

98. Can't we all just get along?

I know I know its not original but it is a good phrase, no?

[clearconscious]

42. Moonbeam

I told you I'm new to this board.

Maybe you saw my picture in the post office huh?

[clearconscious]

41. I'm on the fence right now.

With all the changes in this world that has caused thoughts and actions to be more agressive. It seems as though I want the focus to be on protecting this country and I just don't think Kerry's record shows this kind of thinking. I don't think we can win over our enemies with the U.N. anymore.

[thebigidea]

43. so you're going to vote for Bush, yes?

After all, we can make MANY MORE enemies with him!

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

48. I'll tell ya who we are worse off with

and that's the one we've got now!

Chucklenuts sure hasn't done a good job, considering the fact that we have oh, about 40 million new enemies now (at least).

Running all over the place just hitting people with a stick is no way to protect yourself.

bush is checkers, Kerry is chess. The world plays chess. If you want a guy playing a kiddie game with no sophistication, go for bush. If you want a guy who actually understands the world comes in more than two shades of color, go for Kerry.

[Name removed]

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[thebigidea]

55. you missed Bill Clinton's economic record, I take it?

Did you live in France those years or somethin'?

[clearconscious]

99. No

The economy was good during the Clinton years because Reagan set it up for him.

To bad they screwed that up too. The manufacturing backbone of this country left when Clinto sold us out to China. :)

[thebigidea]

104. so in other words, this "booming Bush economy" is Clinton's fault?

Careful. You might get caught in a black hole of logic here...

either you buy the spin, that the economy is doing great under Bush - in which case, by your own logic - its due to Clinton.

OR - the economy is doing poorly, which makes all the statements out of the Bush Admin re: the economy a crock of microwaved shit. And also Clinton's fault.

So! Which is it?

[clearconscious]

110. Subject because I have to

I don't think the economy is booming but we are in a steady growth recovery mode coming out of an economic decline that started in 4th qtr 1998. Yes boys and girls 1998. Most people didn't notice it but I did because the e-conomy that the Clinton admin. fostered fell flat on its face AND MORE INNOCENT PEOPLE LOST thier jobs and internet stock money than did in the Enron scandel. High paying jobs, manufacturing, machinists, assemblers, engineers... All the high paying jobs like mine was are slowly going away to China thanks to Clinton. China will grow bigger than we ever will and then we will see who takes over the world.

Who says Kerry won't do the same thing?

[thebigidea]

111. Most people didn't notice it because it only happened in an...

... alternate universe of some kind.

Have you been dropping acid with the Club for Growth again?

[clearconscious]

117. I.

Don't get what you mean. Could you be more specific?

[thebigidea]

119. DMT with Steve Forbes? MDMA with Alan Greenspan?

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

112. So I guess you've just completely MISSED

how many jobs have been outsourced to other countries since bush was selected, eh? They have been happening at an alarmingly rapid rate.

Do you just not notice bad shit when it happens under republicans or what?

I think you are on the wrong website, honestly.

Are you here to convince us or be convinced?

Because the former will never happen in my case.

[clearconscious]

123. The......

Out-sourcing started with Clinton. Now all the big corporations are able to build their bottom line by using cheaper labor in China. Once you get that started it is hard to stop it. And reverse it. If you want to blame it on anybody. Blame Clinton.


Or prove me wrong.

[thebigidea]

126. you were proven wrong the minute you said "Reaganomics"

[clearconscious]

129. Why...

Did I spell it wrong or something?

[MI Cherie]

139. Outsourcing started in the '80's ...

... they called it "downsizing" then.

Are you old enough to remember foreign cars getting "trashed" in parking lots and at "pro-American" rallies?

[merh]

121. I repeat --- REAGANOMICS

Steal from the poor and give to the rich. Tax cuts, but increase government spending, but decrease government, but increase the deficit, but increase the military, but cut veterans benefits.....

You really don't know much about the real world, do you? It is just all that you have "heard" over the years. Do you hang out with repugs?

(sorry for typos, long day)

[clearconscious]

133. The...

Reagan tax cut actually did boost the economny and increase tax revenues a great deal and helped reduce the deficet more than if he had not done it. Look it up.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

134. Look this up clear

http://www.ibew.org/JustTheFact0309.pdf

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

57. Read about Kerry's positions yet?

On that website I gave you?

Why don't you really check him out, then make up your mind. Kinda hard to do that without really finding out all the information, isn't it?

[clearconscious]

101. No

I haven't had time to since your all ganging up on me. How about tommorrow?

[Lorien]

66. Wow!

What's it like to wake up after thirty years on ice?

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

69. ROFL

[Lorien]

73. Here's a resume for you

not complete, of course, but Carter's economic record is stellar by comparison:
George W. Bush Resume

Past work experience:
Ran for congress and lost.

Produced a Hollywood slasher B movie.

Bought an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in Texas, company went bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock.

Bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart deal that took land using tax payer money. Biggest move: Traded Sammy Sosa to the Chicago White Sox.

As governor of Texas:
Changed pollution laws for power and oil companies and made Texas the most polluted state in the Union. Replaced Los Angeles with Houston as the most smog ridden city in America. Cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas government to the tune of billions in borrowed money. Set record for most executions by any Governor in American history.

Became president after losing the popular vote by over 500,000 votes, with the help of my fathers appointments to the Supreme Court.


Accomplishments as president:
Attacked and took over two countries.

Spent the surplus and bankrupted the treasury.

Shattered record for biggest annual deficit in history.

Set economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12 month period.

Set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market.

First president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.

First president in US history to enter office with a criminal record.

First year in office set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in US history.

After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, presided over the worst security failure in US history.

Set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips than any other president in US history.

In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their job. Cut unemployment benefits for more out of work Americans than any president in US history.

Set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12 month period.

Appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in US history.

Set the record for the least amount of press conferences than any president since the advent of television.

Signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any president in US history.

Presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.

Presided over the highest gasoline prices in US history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have.

Cut healthcare benefits for war veterans.

Set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind.
(http://www.hyperreal.org/~dana/marches/)

Dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.

My presidency is the most secretive and un-accountable of any in US history.

Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history. (the 'poorest' multi-millionaire, Condoleeza Rice has an Chevron oil tanker named after her).

First president in US history to have all 50 states of the Union simultaneously go bankrupt.

Presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market in any country in the history of the world.

First president in US history to order a US attack and military occupation of a sovereign nation.

Created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States.

Set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any president in US history.

First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the
human rights commission.

First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the elections monitoring board.

Removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional
oversight than any presidential administration in US history.

Rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.

Withdrew from the World Court of Law.

Refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.

First president in US history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 US elections).

All-time US (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations.
My biggest life-time campaign contributor presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron Corporation).

Spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US history.

First president in US history to unilaterally attack a sovereign nation against the will of the United Nations and the world community.

First president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and then lied saying the enemy had the code to Air Force One)

First US president to establish a secret shadow government.

Took the biggest world sympathy for the US after 911, and in less than a year made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history).

With a policy of 'dis-engagement' created the most hostile Israeli-Palestine relations in at least 30 years.

Fist US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.

Changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts. Set all-time record for number of administration appointees who violated US law by not selling huge investments in corporations bidding for government contracts.

Failed to fulfill my pledge to get Osama Bin Laden 'dead or alive'. Failed to capture the anthrax killer who tried to murder the leaders of our country at the United States Capitol building. After 18 months I have no leads and zero suspects.

In the 18 months following the 911 attacks I have successfully prevented any public investigation into the biggest security failure in the history of the United States. Removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in US history.

In a little over two years created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided the US has ever been since the civil war.

Entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.


Records and References:

At least one conviction for drunk driving in Maine (Texas driving record has been erased and is not available).

AWOL from National Guard and Deserted the military during a time of war.

Refused to take drug test or answer questions about drug use.

All records of tenure as governor of Texas have been removed to George Bush Sr.'s library, sealed in secrecy and are un-available for public view.

All records of any SEC investigations into insider trading or bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and un-available for public view.

All minutes of meetings for any public corporation on which George W. Bush served on the board are sealed in secrecy and un-available for public view.

Any records or minutes from meetings George W. Bush (or the vice-president) attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and un-available for public review.

Established the Carlyle Group to manage post-war revenues. Heading up the Carlyle Group is (surprise, surprise), George Bush Sr. and James Baker.


The Federal deficit is currently 344 billion dollars

Over $150 billion in taxpayer dollars has funded the illegal occupation of Iraq, where there are no WMDs, and where we are doing exactly what we accused Saddam of doing to his people.

[merh]

76. Carters economy?

What about Reaganomics - that was where our big debts began. He was Robin Hood in the reverse, he stole from the poor to give to the rich.

[clearconscious]

113. Reaganomics....

Fueled the economy for Clinton. It takes years to fix a bad economy but only months to fuck it up.

[thebigidea]

116. geez, even Poppy didn't buy that Reaganomics shit

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

130. Do you actually know what you are talking about here?

Under Reagan we had some of the biggest deficits this country had ever seen (at least until NOW under Chucklenuts who has made Reagan's deficits look puny in comparison!).

Then we got Clinton. And in his first term, he eliminated the deficit (even WITH that Repug congress, remember???). Then the SURPLUS started. SURPLUS. Remember that? We were billions of dollars in the BLACK. NO ONE HAD DONE THAT. NO one.

Then we got Chucklenuts here. And he quickly FLEW through that surplus and drove us right back down into the red, farther than we've EVER gone. And I thought the deficits under REAGAN were scary. Whew.

Do a little brushing up on this stuff. It seriously scares me that there are people out there like you who believe this stuff.

You might want to check this document out:
http://www.ibew.org/JustTheFact0309.pdf

It's very eye-opening. It's hard to argue with the facts.

[thebigidea]

132. he thinks like Cheney: "Reagan proved that deficits don't matter."

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

131. Yep

it took Clinton years to fix the bad economy and deficits from the Reagan era and it only took bush jr. months to fuck it up. You are right about that.

[merh]

136. You are so right

as Dubya & Co. have so successfully proven. But it was Reagan who put us in such debt and Clinton who spent 8 years getting us out of it.

You have been brain washed by misinformed wanta bees.

The GOP is a huge pyramid scam. The GOPs disguises, rationalizations and defenses have a similar ring to that of a pyramid scheme. Perpetrators (the GOP) claim they are uplifting people, setting them free, creating new opportunity, and teaching them a new and better way to live and prosper. As in all such abuses of the past, huge amounts of money are spread to peddle influence, stave off regulation, and maintain the false portrayal of legitimacy. Critics are vilified and threatened with lawsuits as "anti-business" and "losers." The element of the pyramid scheme that has the most in common with past abuses is its appeal to economic justification. Deceptive practices which take money from millions of unwitting people and enrich a small group of promoters and perpetrators are defended as "legitimate business," helping to build the economy, employ people, and provide economic opportunity.


http://www.pyramidschemealert.org/schemes/schemeindex.htm

[AbbeyRoad]

107. Protecting this country?

Wasn't it G.W. Bush who let Prince Bandar of Saudia Arabia, an agent of a foreign country, in on the plans for the whole Iraq invasion including the perusal of top secret maps all before the Secretary of State of the United States of America was fully informed? That really instills confidence that Bush's interest lies solely in protecting this country.

And I hate to bring it up again, but Kerry actually volunteered to fight for his country in Vietnam, while Bush flew planes with other rich boys in Texas. Yeah, Bush's record on protecting the country seems so much better. :eyes:

[JetJaguar]

22. Goodness...

Ronald Reagan and Iraqi Foreign Minister Tariq Aziz meet at the White House on November 26, 1984, as the U.S. and Iraq restore diplomatic relations.

[xxqqqzme]

12. he doesn't look old enough

2 even know about st ronnie's weapons sale. tragic

[thebigidea]

4. ?

"I don't want to in any way hurt/harm/disrespect James E Wright so I don't want to post it."

What's the difference? You posted the link.

[dArKeR]

7. You're right. I'm more guilty than Bush because I know the difference

between wrong and right. Maybe in the back of my mind I just wanted to save some other children. Hoping that this would make all American demand the troops to come home today. Enough butching for Bush's Lie Vietnam!

[thebigidea]

19. Now I'm even more confused. Wha?

[Norquist Nemesis]

9. Guess who escorted him into the Capitol Rotunda?

Rumsfeld.

[JI7]

11. and wolfowitz

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

13. So they BROUGHT him there

to serve as a photo op?

That is just SICK. They totally used that poor guy.

[DenverDem]

17. Proves rummy and wolfie are extraterrestrial aliens.

No humans could be so totally bereft of decency.

[the Kelly Gang]

23. damn their souls to hell !

[lapauvre]

40. Not the saddest picture

I've ever seen.

If you happen to be able to spare a few minutes from giving an iota of care about a celebrities love lives I do hope you might spend it finding newsreel footage of the landing on Normandy.

Anything less than that fails to meet my expectations and definition of great American Heroes.

I'm a female and obviously don't have them, but talk about balls? Guts, are generic, but I wouldn't have the guts, I don't think when I was the age of those who died that day. Now, if it came to that, I would gladly go, because I have nothing left to lose.

I don't know about the young man in the photo, but he came back. Maimed, yes, but alive. I hope that he was not "used."To be maimed and used as photo-op propaganda is insult to injury.

[Curious Dave]

46. I can't wait to see

what Ted Rall has to say about this guy.

[thebigidea]

52. Rumsfeld & Wolfowitz brought him there as a prop

the men who couldn't be bothered to figure out how many were dead by their pen... or how many maimed.

And you're worried about Ted Rall?

Show me one person he sent to death.

[ThirdWheelLegend]

102. I think he meant he was looking forward..

...forward to Ted Rall's commentary on the blatant use of this poor soldier as a prop for asshat's reselection.

bigidea... you are all fired up! :P

TWL

[thebigidea]

106. heh - yeah, apparently I'm on a hair trigger on this thread. Snicker.

This is why you don't make a fresh pot of coffee at midnight.

[ThirdWheelLegend]

125. hah

but the question is:

do you have a clear conscious? ??

couldn't resit

***and on topic*** this picture and the fact that rum-shod escorted this poor guy in is EFFing appalling!

[Forkboy]

140. You gotta really hand it to him

sticking by the war pimps like that.

[WLKjr]

141. Here's how I take in the picture

I may get blasted for this, but as for me having a family history of service to the country, I feel I have to say this.

All of them that I have talked to say that you learn discipline and respect in the military. Honor and a strong since of duty. As I can see from this man in the picture, he has all of the above. Disciplined enough to not show his personal thoughts, respect for the office, not the individual, the honor of being in the military and knowing that it was his duty to salute a former commander in chief.

No one knows for sure the political tendencies of this man or any of those in the military whether they have losts limbs in a needless war or not. I respect them even more for having the discipline enough to still salute the office and to not let political affiliation show through easily.

I myself would still salute the office, and try damn hard to not to look at it as saluting the person who is in it.

[thebigidea]

142. and would you go on the arm of Paul Wolfowitz?

[WLKjr]

143. No

I was just looking at the picture and calling it from what I saw in the picture. I don't support wolfowitz, or any of the bunch.

Are you saying he was 'escorted' by Wolfie? becuase if it were me I wouldn't have wanted my hand (no offense to the serviceman in the photo) held if that were the case, I would go on my own becuase there is that honor (maybe even a little too much pride) to be led up to an event such as this.

(I'm kind of tired as I type this so sorry if I'm not making much since, I will try to explain better if you don't understand what I am saying)