I hope you realize that everyone who posts on this forum

[bermudat]

is being watched. This is spooky. First they come after people from the middle east, next they will be coming for people from middle ameria.

<http://www.riverfronttimes.com/issues/2004-06-09/news.html>
Hakim Aziz is seldom hesitant about making radical pronouncements, but when two U.S. Secret Service agents showed up at his doorstep at 10:30 on the night of April 7, he was meek as a lamb. He'd just put his two daughters to bed, and his wife looked on as the two agents asked if they could search the house. Aziz says he didn't have much choice.

"They made it plain to me early on that 'because of this ten-year-old bench warrant that you didn't take care of, we can just haul you in and make you sit until Perry County comes to get you, which may be never,'" the 42-year-old Aziz recalls the agents saying. "I think they pretty much knew that I was going to do whatever it took to keep from being hauled in that night."

Accompanied by three St. Louis cops, the khaki-clad Secret Service agents sifted through Aziz's files and books. Picking up a copy of Muammar Qadhafi's Third Universal Theory, one of the agents asked Aziz if he admired the Libyan strongman.

"I just couldn't believe they were questioning what I felt," says Aziz. "I was still in shock."

EDITED BY ADMIN: COPYRIGHT

[Hekate]

1. Of course they are: the ghosts of McCarthy and Nixon...

...walk the earth today.

Take a deep breath. Welcome to DU.

It's this kind of thing -- and the sheer potential of it -- that have made so many DUers alternately frantic and depressed these past several years. Believe me, you are not alone.

But here's a common sense observation: never make threats against the person or life of the President of the US. And for gods' sake, don't put it in writing. The Secret Service has no sense of humor -- and these days no sense of proportion, either -- and this trait is in-built, not new.

I am not in any sense blaming the victim for his troubles. Large portions of the USA PATRIOT Act have got to go, and if President Kerry doesn't move fast to do it, we have to tell him loud and clear. It goes without saying that if Bush gets four more years we really have our work cut out for us.

Hekate

[Selteri]

4. 1984 was a warning

Few people have listened.

[doni_georgia]

terroristic threats

You have to remember in this day of "the Patriot Act," not to say anything that could be construed as a terroristic threat. I'm a teacher and the climate is the same at the school. Last year, my autistic son was very frustrated at his teacher. He told her that he was going to build a shrink ray and shrink her (he was in 1st grade). The woman sent him to the office for "making a terroristic threat." The AP put it in the AS400 (the state software that records students' behavioral referrals) that my son had made a terroristic threat! Never mind he has high functioning autism - one characteristic of which is quoting things he has heard before. He saw Jimmy Neutron make a shrink ray and decidedd that was the way to handle his teacher. Now he has a permanent record at the state of having made a terroristic threat! Two months later, he was frustrated again, and said he was going to "buy a bulldozer - keep in mind he was 7 - and was going to bulldoze the school - except for his mom's room." Once again, teacher sent him to the office for making a terroristic threat. I was told that the next time would result in suspension. I pointed out to the principal that it is in his IEP that he repeats things he has heard, and cannot be suspended from school for things he says. She said, "Well this is different this is a terroristic threat, and technically we were supposed to call the police." Now could you imagine if they had called the police to say that my son had threatened to (a) shrink his teacher, and (b) buy a bulldozer and bulldoze the school (where the heck was a 7 year supposed to be able to get a bulldozer?)? But this is the climate we are living in. Now multiply this paranoia a thousand fold and you have the climate for adults under the Patriot Act.

[indigobusiness]

11. Chilling

Start a thread about this, please.

http://sludgereport.blogspot.com/

[doni_georgia]

18. Really that was pretty much the whole story

I have to go drive my daughter to South Carolina to visit her grandparents (yeah can you say blow a whole bunch of money on gas!). When I get back this evening, I will put together a thread.

[DoYouEverWonder]

2. I was aware of that when I made the decision

to post my rants and snide remarks online.

I just hope they come here and learn the truth. As a matter of fact, I'd be happy to give them the reams of evidence I've collected, that document the crimes and misdemeanors that this misadministration has committed.

[Mnemosyne]

3. THEY are watching!

I have no problems if I visit amazon. com, et al, but when I try to connect to AAR or other underground sites very often I receive interruption that states "Internet explorer has experienced a problem and needs to shut down."

Happens toooo often to be a coincidence, IMO

[onecent]

5. Could you please tell me what AAR means?

Thanks.

Penny

[Vickers]

9. Air America Radio

www.airamericaradio.com

[EdGy]

6. very true; a DUer was just fired from his/her job for a posting

in addition to any government snooping, the freepers monitor this board and have done everything possible to get people fired from their jobs.

Just happened to a DUer, fired from a public radio station.

They are exactly the kind of people we saw in Hitler's Germany and Stalin's Soviet Union: IN both places the party drew on lowlife scums to act as informants, people who had enormous resentment because they were in many ways society's losers. Freepers fit that bill here. They are today's brownshirts.

[Baltimoreboy]

23. Let's be honest

It appears he was fired because he bitched about his boss on a public forum and gave enough info so that it was obvious that was what he was doing -- on company computers.

Most people, left or right, Democrat or Republican, would encounter similar problems under similar circumstances.

[bobbyboucher]

36. Wrong again.

Have you been right yet? Please document.

[Baltimoreboy]

43. Aside from the personal attack

Care to be specific on what I was "wrong" about bub?

If you attack your employer using company resources, you can and should be fired. Is that mean? No. My boss doesn't haven't any legal obligation to have me use work resources to attack my employer. Or to use my status as an employee to harm my employer.

[Generic Other]

29. Bev of BBV has also been questioned and has an agent monitoring her

I think his name is Mike.

Why are they so afraid of the opinions of real Americans? And so unconcerned about protecting our Constitutional rights?

This gulag climate we are living in is most frightening.

[dumpster_baby]

7. I have no doubt that I am on a file somewhere

I have called for the prosecution for treason of most of the current and past high ranking elected officials in Washington. I am just sure to include the fact in my posts that I call for radical reform under the aegis of the rule of law and in recognized courts of law.

[doni_georgia]

15. I know that I'm on file

I visited the Soviet Union during the Reagan years, so I know they have a file on me which was SOP for anyone going to "the evil empire" during the 80s. Funny thing is any American coming in to the USSR automatically got a KGB file too.

[JuniperLea]

20. me too

i have a securities license... they have my fingerprints and my entire work, education and residence history for the past 20 years... i'm doomed!

[lanparty]

45. I kinda suspect ...

That I may have a file as well. I also call for the prosecution of Bush and his inner circle.

They're wasting their money on me though. I'm powerless beyond posting messages on bulliten boards.

[sam sarrha]

8. reminds me of being phone tapped in my hippie days by AT&T, my room mate

Hippie scoundrel was 'dating'..the pretty preppy daughter of the president of the local phone company, someone at the house tried to use the phone.. couldn't get a dial tone. I walked over took the phone out of his hand and said, "Hello Bug, give me an open line my friend needs to make a drug deal.." Actually i was just stoned and being funny,.. until i heard a voice say, "holly shit you didn't mute the set.." and then a dial tone started. we all ran out of the house ad went camping for a couple days.

Do you think they have * in their glossary of terms for that Honorable Stupid, terrorist hating, weapons of mass destruction hunting, Islamic country invading mother of all Imperialists, Martyr factory, swine F'n George W Bush.. :headbang: :hippie:

but i am sorry he is ill, and i hope they get his medication adjusted before he starts a religious Armageddon to fulfill Bible prophesy and destroys all civilization on planet Reagan for 1000's of years.

[w13rd0]

10. Oh heck...

...this was down the street. Interesting. While they may watch, they aren't terribly good or efficient at it. It's hit and miss. Hit the innocent bystanders, miss the real threats...

[sam sarrha]

14. well at least they are doing something with our taxes...

[OneTwentyoNine]

12. This goes around almost daily. Don't make threats against ANY President..

I don't give a shit who reads these threads,hell Boortz and Limbaugh might learn something. If the Secret Service reads them all they care about are threats and they will take them very seriously whether they are veiled or real.

Say what you want,we are protected by the Constitution for the most part but make NO threats on anyones life.

David

[Vickers]

16. Good advice! Don't threaten anyone, or encourage sedition.

Oh, and Limbaugh is an idiot.

:spank:

[Atman]

13. Anyone who thought they WEREN'T being watched

just got a rude awakening. I figured this out ages ago. A friend of mine, about 20 years older than I, was blacklisted by McCarthy for filing CO status and speaking out in the fifties. He got a masters in industrial design,but could not find work. Finally, he used his ID skills to become a scultptor, designing custom staircases and gates and anything he could to make a buck. The world is better off, I think. As an artist, his stuff is incredible, and graces some pretty prestige addresses.

He visited my web site one day, and when I saw him afterward, he shook his head and said, "you know they've started a file on you, don't you? You can count on it."

I've pretty much lived my life knowing that they watch anyone who actively posts to sites such as this. Quite frankly, I' think they'd be asleep at the switch if they DIDN'T, don't you?

[RC]

21. I wonder how many freepers they start files on?

Oh, I forgot, this is a subversive underground board. freepers.com is main stream.

[redqueen]

37. I wonder about that too

Someone posted an anecdote about reporting something to the local PD where freeptardland originates, and said they did nothing.

:scared:

[Hoping4Change]

51. Do people have to lodge a complaint to get the FBI to

investigate?

[chelsea0011]

17. Secondary reason I joined DU was to get an FBI file going

[JuniperLea]

19. if bushie wins

there will be no holds barred. we will all be 'suspect' and taking our 'freedoms' in our hands by posting anything negative about the gov. remind you of any country you may have heard about?

[spanone]

22. Watch THIS and fuck 'em.

I'm proud to be on a list that those who are so scared of freedom would compile. Make me #1.

[mopaul]

24. ...............

[Moderator]

25. bermudat

Per DU copyright rules
please post only four
paragraphs from the
news source.


Thank you.

DU Moderator

[DinahMoeHum]

26. Put it this way - if we're not on some list, we haven't done shit. . .

we've been passive.

As the old song goes, "You weren't doin' nothin' if you weren't called a Red"

:evilgrin:

[seabeyond]

27. baring butt and mooning all

:)

[Solomon]

28. Yep Yep. We're all on the list and the thought has occurred to me that

if Bush gets back in the white house we may be talking to each other from behind fences in concentration camps.

Even if Kerry gets there, we will still be on the list.

[pezcore64]

30. 'bring it on!'

lol

someone should seriously take an extremist post from freeper land and show it to the media as ALL CONSERVATIVES believe.
i cant believe people would assume every democrat feels the way 1 poster does.
1 person does not speak for us all.

they arent used to that sorta freedom tho, they are used to being told what to think and then following. unfortunatly we all think for ourselves here.

[tjwash]

31. "The people you are after...

... are the people you depend on. We cook your meals. We haul your trash. We connect your calls, we drive your ambulances. We guard you while you sleep. Do not fuck with us."

[mwar]

32. I received a "wrong number" call the other day

My caller ID said it was from the US Government. The area code was somewhere in VA.

Have I finally arrived?

I've been signed up here for more than a year but I have been mostly lurking until recently. I was active for 2 years on smirkingchimp.com with 2000+ posts. I knew there was a good reason to start posting here!

;-) ;-) ;-)

[Elysium26]

33. Umm, did anyone read the article?

He was on a listserv with one of his neighbors when he made the bin Laden - Bush comment, talking to a self proclaimed conservative. The article says, "...he suspects his fellow Shaw neighborhood resident ratted him out." The facts from this article do not substantiate that Aziz was picked from a government snooping program.

Even still, Aziz should realize not to make such statements in an open listserv if he doesn't want anyone to see them.

And finally, "...the agents left after an hour without Aziz or any of his files." Nothing happen to him people. Take a look at what happens to people in China for some contrast, http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/asia/story/0,4386,255616,00.html?

/really not trying to flame anyone. I wasn't going to post anything until I read the article about Dr Yanyong, and recognized the difference.

[Ms. Clio]

49. "Even still, Aziz should realize not to make such statements

if he doesn't want anyone to see them."

I think the point is that he does want people to see his remarks, he just doesn't want to be investigated and have his house searched because he made them.

Yeah, remind us about China. Don't you understand that this is the exact same thing? What, they didn't take him away and torture him, that would be the difference?

Oh, wait, that's right, the U.S. does torture people.

[mmonk]

34. Whoever is watching

will find me boring, not subversive. However, I will give opinion and facts where applicable, concerning policies. Until free speech is removed, they will have to deal with that. And if they feel threatened by political opinion speech, then they must have something to hide or have an paranoic disorder.

[RummyTheDummy]

35. I hope they are watching....and in case they are

A BIG GO FUCK YOURSELF TO THE BROWNSHIRT SCUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[catmandu57]

38. I'd be insulted if they didn't

watch and have a growing file on me. Actually it's pretty damn boring around here, the fib or whatever govt. agency has the domestic spy power now, might be a welcome relief.
If the pukes steal the election this time kiss your ass goodbye, we, each and every one of us is as good as gone, that includes all the lurking freepers here as well.
Just try explaining that you were only lurking on a subversive message board. If history is repeated the brownshirts will be dealt with as quickly as we are.

[number6]

39. of course, thats a given ....

I'd like to say hi :hi: to all the FBI and CIA
agents, the clan, the mafia, the KGB....
and all the people at the village :hi::hi::hi:

[Bandit]

40. Bring It On

We watch them as well.

[AntiCoup2K4]

41. Agent Mike is always watching. Let's get him drunk.....

...and make him talk. :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer:

Drink up, Agent Mike!

[davsand]

42. We live in a climate of fear.

It isn't terribly shocking to think that all the fear that is promulgated by our government has found a home with people who oppose those policies. Kinda makes sense to me that it'd play out this way...

Look, even during Bill Clinton's terms there were people who were afraid of what his people would do or had done. We laugh about it--but think about this--if you really thought that Vince Foster and several others had been killed by the "Clinton* Family Evil Empire", wouldn't you be in a mind set where you were afraid because you spoke out about it?

I see similar things going on now on our side of it--and I think it is probably a fairly common fear--no matter who is sitting in the White House. I DO think it is being made worse by the erosions of civil liberties that we see in the Patriot Act and in our international policies. Further, the climate of secrecy makes everything look even worse...

Anyhow, I figure that if anybody is interested enough in me or my thoughts that they want to follow my posts--then so be it. If they want to listen in on my phone calls then they too can share the joy of hearing about my mother's kidney stones and the arrangements for my next job... (I'm not EVEN gonna go into how bored they would be if they decided to bug our house--let's just say an endless loop kid's programming or else CSPAN is probably not gonna invigorate your day!)

I also figure that this IS still the US--and I'm not doing anything illegal or immoral. IF they want to come after me, I've already given my husband a list of the attorneys to call here in state--there ARE benefits to knowing so many lawyers sometimes!


Laura



*This is intended to serve as a semi-humorous reference to the DU term about the Bush family. I am NOT slamming anyone or making fun of anybody one way or the other--OK?

[lanparty]

44. He advocated killing the president ..

That's not covered under free speach. It's one of the few things you CANNOT say. They've halled blue-blooded college students out of classrooms for suggesting that someone should kill Clinton.

So the moral of the story is, don't advocate or WISH for a presidential assasination publicly.

[calimary]

46. Well, frankly, there should be no call for the killing of ANYONE.

And, of course, certainly not a president. I hate bush like nobody's business, but I certainly DO NOT wish him that kind of ill. I don't wish that on anybody. Now, removal from office and prosecution? That's something else.

Besides, whenever I get to thinking paranoid thoughts about Big Brother coming after me, I'm one of the least of their worries, I'd suspect. There are many more strident folks out there than me, or most of the people on this board. And they don't have enough Gitmos (or big enough Gitmos) to accommodate everyone.

[Hoping4Change]

47. In a DU post earlier a link was provided to a comment by a

freeper post in FreeRepub asserting that Clinton was be killed. (The post was in response to Clinton's new potrait at the Smithsonian.

Will the freeper get the same treatment?

[lanparty]

48. Presumably yes ...

If they can identify who it was. Yes, he should. If he doesn't, then there is definitely a problem.

[Andy_Stephenson]

50. I am real near the top of the list...

and damned proud to be there!