FReeper gets DUer Fired....

[bicentennial_baby]

This is how DUer Misanthrope got fired yesterday...

"I ran across a little ethical dilemma in my daily web surfing. In the course of my "know your enemy" reading of liberal web sites, I came across a thread on a certain hard-left message board. The poster (whom I will call X so as not to identify him/her yet) works at a radio station and was asked by his/her supervisor to plan some respectful mourning programming for tomorrow (Friday) in observance of Reagan's memorial. Instead, X asked the other readers of the site to brainstorm ways he could ignore/violate that instruction and attack Reagan in ways subtle enough that his/her actions wouldn't be obvious to most listeners. X has planned a lineup intended to be subtly offensive to Reagan's memory.

X put enough information about him/herself in the thread that it was fairly easy for me to identify the radio station X works at, as well as the name/email address of the supervisor who made the request. X specifically commented that if he/she were found out, X could be terminated from the radio station job as well as another job he/she holds. So...do I email the thread to X's boss? On the one hand, it seems incredibly offensive that a radio announcer would violate a boss's request to respect a national day of mourning because of a political grievance, especially by planning a radio selection designed to insult the man being mourned and using public money and donations to do it (this is a public radio station). On the other, it seems cruel to rat a person out to their boss based on what they assumed (even though it's a poor assumption) to be a fairly anonymous Internet post to political allies.

What do y'all think? Should I drop the subject or email X's supervisors with the link to the thread? Or...should I take the middle ground and post the thread and radio station info here, but not forward it to the boss?"

and then they sent this to his employer...:

"Dear Ms. Breland:

In surfing the Internet today, I came across a posting on a message board that appears to be from one of your station's announcers. While he does not reveal his real name in his posting, he indicates that he works for the NPR affiliate in Mobile, AL, and that he is the announcer for the 10 A.M. - 12 P.M. weekday programming block.

In his post, this person stated that, presumably due to a personal political grievance with the late President Reagan, he would not comply with instructions to announce an appropriately respectful memorial program for tomorrow's day of mourning for President Reagan. He solicited ideas that would permit him to ignore or circumvent those instructions and subtly insult Mr. Reagan through his choice of programming. The announcer posts under the user name "misanthrope"; you can read his posting and the replies by him and others at this link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1755097#1759511

I am sure you would not want what should be a respectful and nonpartisan observance of the loss of a former President disrupted by the political agenda of one of your announcers. As a taxpayer and supporter of public radio, I trust that you will ensure that tomorrow's memorial programming reflects the solemnity of the death of a former President. Thank you for your time.

Sincerely,


In case it was unclear, the radio station is Mobile 91.3 at http://www.whil.org and the link in the email is to the thread at (shock and surprise!) DU. It's probably unnecessary to bombard the station with letters, nasty or otherwise, but the program director and general manager are aware of what happened. I'll post again if I hear anything back.

and here's what the employer said:

"Thank you for bring this matter to our attention. It is truly sad when
people you work with and trust feel it necessary to do these things.

Jeffrey R. Stoll, General Manager"


It appears Mr. Misanthrope won't be undermining President Reagan's memorial after all. Hey - I think I just Freeped someone! :-p

Motherfuckers.......

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1151209/posts

[Beetwasher]

1. Yup, I Knew This Was The Likely Scenario and Posted As Much

in the thread.

Welcome to the world of the Nazi Brownshirt Ratfinks...

[bicentennial_baby]

2. Yep

I was just waiting for proof...Had to be a FReep.

[brentonl]

165. heyhey rppper's son returns..hey dad it's me brent :P

anyway back to politics..i can't wait till this upcomming election...seeings i'm not yet 18 i can not vote but i do pay much atention to the "political" world around me....so..if ya can give some nice jucicy things to rave about :P
:smoke:

[brentonl]

177. Whats the big deal dam it?

WASHINGTON -- The final scenes of Ronald Reagan's commanding role on the political stage will be played out Friday, ending a week-long, coast-to-coast tribute of prayer and pageantry honoring an American president beloved by millions.

A majestic morning funeral service at Washington's National Cathedral will be the prelude to a sunset internment of the 40th president at his hilltop library in California on a national day of mourning.

And while Friday's farewells are for family and dignitaries, including President Bush and his father, both of whom will offer eulogies, Thursday belonged almost entirely to the ordinary Americans who twice elected Reagan their president.

They filed silently past Reagan's flag-draped casket in the hushed domed Rotunda of the U.S. Capitol, paying their respects. By the thousands they came, from all over America, bidding their late leader farewell as his widow Nancy received a stream of visitors at the Blair House, across the street from the White House.

EDITED BY ADMIN: COPYRIGHT





i mean regan did one good thing..somebody please explain this to me :! :wtf:

Sorce:http://coxnews.com/cox/news/National/story/6648

[indigo32]

261. Hi brentonl

per our guidelines for copyrighted material. Please post no more than 4 paragraphs of an article such as this.

[Name removed]

178. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Misunderestimator]

That was exactly my thought when I read the other thread....

Freaking amazing. Note to self... no more personal information. :(

[molly]

3. We'll be watching and waiting freeps -

may you rot in hell. Time wounds all heels! Keep that in mind.

[molly]

4. Hey - let's send these people the FREEP link

To: [e-mail] (Program Director Joann Breland)
CC: [e-mail] (General Manager Jeffrey Stoll)

[Joanne98]

Can we figure out who did it maybe we can get him/her fired

We need to do that anyway. Republicans shouldn't be allowed to work in the future when we take back the country. We need to develop methods and tactics.

[BiggJawn]

76. "Get him/her fired"? S'Yeah....

Don't most the denizens of FR collect "Disability" for their "Bad Backs", and thus have no jobs to threaten?

[Catholic Sensation]

164. they have jobs brewing their own moonshine and selling it to eric rudolph

types. I believe Appalachia is home to the vast majority of posters on Free Republic.com

[jdsmith]

191. Hi from Appalachia!!!

Where we have grown accustomed to slurs.

[BiggJawn]

285. That's OK, takes the heat off us dumb-ass Hoosiers...

Thanks! :-)

[Just Me]

166. I believe being reactive could be hurtful to misanthrope.

I don't believe it's worth the risk of potentially damaging his/her legal cause(s) of action.

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

5. If this isn't evidence enough that they consider us...

something to be wiped off the face of this planet, then I don't know what is.
They consider us their "enemy" and they will treat us as such.

[xchrom]

6. what goes around will come around

[freetobegay]

7. I seem to be missing something here.

[myomy]

8. We need a memorial to ÒFree SpeechÓ.

.

[DBoon]

33. It passed away a long time ago

We all seem to have missed its funeral

[lovedems]

9. That is the oxymoroninc compassionate conservatism.

I am sure all those asswipes are smiling with joy that they cost a person their job based on their political opinions.

What a bunch of assholes.

Karma. Karma. Karma. It is a notion that does not escape me AT ALL these days. Karma. It keeps me sane.

[Walt Starr]

10. Misanthrope should use this as evidence

Cache the Freeper page, he may be able to sue Jim Robinson, too!

[DoNotRefill]

284. For what?

This is no different than if misanthrope was talking in a public place and somebody overheard what he was saying and reported it.

You shouldn't post something on the Internet if you wouldn't want the whole world to know what you said.

[Bandit]

11. A court case in the making

Unless the person actually did any of the things suggested there is no justification. The person has to have had previous warning or a serious enough event to warrant termination from employment. Just talk on a web site is not justification enough. It is a thought crime and that is not ever held up in court. If that person actually did the deeds then there is at least cause for warning but not sure about termination. This employer just set themselves up for a world of hurt. One thing you can always depend on about the freepers is they always overplay their hands.

[Walt Starr]

13. Time to file a $12,000,000 dollar lawsuit against Freerepublic.com

That's all I have to say.

[Mixxster]

23. Wouldn't that depend on whether s/he works in an "at-will"...

employment state? In "at-will" states, like PA, you can be fired for any reason at all.

[Just Me]

26. There are exceptions to the "at will" doctrine.

Besides, there appears to be more than merely an employment suit presented.

[1monster]

46. You can be fired for no reason at all, BUT, if you are fired "for cause"

that is a whole different ball game and the employer is open to a lawsuit...

[djg21]

322. Isn't insubordination a "cause."

C'mon! The DUer didn't exercise much judgment in posting his intentions on a public message board for all to see! If the tables were turned, I doubt that a single one of you would be defending the poor freeper who lost his job!

[WLKjr]

351. I would

and that is saying a lot about my character. If his/her rights were violated, I would step up to the occasion and defend thier rights.

Remember this qoute?

"Although I do not agree with what you have to say, I will fight to the death for your right to say it."

That is one of a few of the true Democratic causes I live by.

[lanparty]

242. Incorrect strategy ...

This is a public radio station. Despite Bill O'Reilly's contentions, NPR get VERY LITTLE direct support from Uncle Sam. Most of their operating budget comes from PLEDGE DRIVES!!!!

You see, NPR is kinda known as a liberal oasis (becoming less so every day). Those who give their money likely have liberal and independent political leanings. Wouldn't they with-hold their contributions from a station that acted as a right-wing hit squad!!!!

The best tactic is probably for a local DU-er to get in contact with local listeners. During their pledge drive, get people to call up and say they will pledge an amount provided they rehire the individual in question. If enough conditional pledges pile up, they'll be compelled to hire him back!!!!!!

[eyesroll]

12. How does the radio station even know misanthrope is who he says he is?

I can create an account and come here and say I am whoever the hell I feel like. Can I do that to someone I don't like and try to get them fired? (That's it -- I'm going to pretend I'm that creepy guy from marketing...)

This sounds too easy...BB, are you sure he was fired, or did the FR thread just make that assumption? "Thank you for bringing it to my attention" is neither here nor there. Could be a reprimand, could be a GM's way of saying "OK, I heard you." Did he confirm this?

EDIT -- Never mind, I found yesterday's thread.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1764027

Still.

[Bertha Venation]

15. I'm with you, eyesroll.

Where's the confirmation?

And if it is true . . . well, the freeper's a jerk, but

[wndycty]

16. I am calling on misanthrope to be quiet. . .

. . .for misanthrope's own good. If misanthrope will be taking legal action it is in misanthrope's best interest not to communicate with anyone but a lawyer from this point on.

[misanthrope]

62. I'm still here...

...and following that line of thought. In due time (when everything is said and done), I will tell the results from everything going on right now.

[Misunderestimator]

119. Do let us know how we might be able to help...

And all good power to you! :)

[mzmolly]

205. So very sorry. So much for free speech huh?

:hug:

[ronnykmarshall]

219. We're standing with ya!

Good luck !

[RoyGBiv]

21. He gave an update, and yes, he's been fired...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1764027#1765905

See post #84 for an update of the update.

[Andy_Stephenson]

30. I can create an account and come here and say I am whoever the hell I feel

Hi...I am Ethel Merman...and all this time you thought I was Andy Stephenson.

[w13rd0]

50. Well, this is as good a time as any to come clean...

...I am George W Bush, and I approved torture, anthrax, standing down for my trifecta, and the raping of small children and stray kittens.

[Lex]

14. The General Manager at that station

should spend a little time at Freep-ville and see what hateful, racist, homophobic, sexist assholes they are.

Then he can see how awful it is that he caved into the knuckle-draggers.

How embarassing for that General Manager to be so easily 'freeped.'

[brook]

41. I just...

emailed him and basically said that. Also asked him to reconsider.
I think it's foolish to use an email from cyberspace as a base for an action as serious as temination without any investigation.

[Cleita]

108. He's probably one of them or worse.

I could be to misanthrope's advantage if he could be outted as such. It would make things easier for misanthrope's case. I don't think anyone can force you to worship or praise anyone as part of your job. Losing your job because you sought advice as how to handle this would certainly be uncool then. The ACLU really needs to investigate this.

[lanparty]

245. She probably IS ONE ...

The conservatives have made a VERY serious effort at infiltrating NPR. This is network that largely has "fair and balanced" programming. They're trying to overturn that and put all the freepers in charge!!!!

It's likely that their are a LOT of freeper NPR managers out there.


Don't forget, they even infiltrated Air America before it even got on the air. These guys are serious about taking over ALL media and controlling it!!!!!

[AntiCoup2K4]

17. Sieg Heil!

You vill not speak against Der Fuhrer or you vill be fired!

The TIPS program is alive and well. Traitorous UnAmerican Freeper Cowards.

This wasn't even KKKlear Channel, it was NPR?? Supposedly fucking Liberal :eyes: NPR???

HEY FREEP ASSHOLE... DOES YOUR BOSS KNOW THAT *YOU* SPEND ALL DAY POSTING ON A HATE SITE, YOU SHEEPFUCKING SISTER-MARRYING BASTARD?

[peacetalksforall]

18. Get the freeper fired? He'll probably receive the Ashcroft

Ribbon of No Free Speech Award and it will be given to him in a program in front of the robed statue and covered by the calbes or are we getting ahead of where its at, 'yet'. Valor in Ratting Activism.

[Vickers]

19. Well, that's one more person out of work: nice going, DUMBASSES!

Jeebus, I thought those ignorant fucksticks LIKED when folks are employed?

Hey, freepers, FUCK YOU! I'm self-employed!

[mwar]

20. It's one thing when they sit around stewing in their own juices

But quite another when they get people fired or killed or do some other type of physical harm.

Payback is a bitch.

[tandot]

22. typical freeper...feeling joy and sexual arousal by getting someone

fired.

It is really interesting that those people call themselves Christian. He probably has one of those WWJD bumperstickers on his car. Those are the most disgusting kinds of hypocrites.

HEY LURKING FREEPER:
YOUR AMORAL AND CONSCIENCELESS BEHAVIOR WILL GET YOU STRAIGHT TO HELL. MAY BAD LUCK STRIKE YOU AND ALL OF YOUR FAMILY.

I wish you the best of luck, Misantrophe. Thanks for standing up! If nobody has the guts to stand up against that Nazi regime and their Gestapo, we'll have WWIII soon.

[Just Me]

24. If this is for real, I'd be consulting an attorney!!!

I'd look for one who specializes in federal and employment law.

Is there a RICO suit in this (against FR) in addition to a possible 1986 action (against employer)?

[elf]

25. The Freepers's profile:

it's "Freedom Flynnie" member since Sep.14, 2003

and that's what's written in his profile:

Hey, y'all!

I'll add more to this later. For now, I'm a 21 year old college student at school in Tennessee. Anything else you're dying to know, I'll be happy to tell you via email, 'til I get more put up here. Oh yeah - I'm single, but that's only because Ann Coulter hasn't met me yet :-)

My favorite ping lists:
Leftism on Campus - Freepmail Hobsonphile to get it
General Aviation - Freepmail Aeronaut to get it

[Name removed]

27. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Vickers]

Hiya Lane!

yer a Libertarian?

[LTR]

43. Also loves the ACLU

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:lxXen3ctgbQJ:www.aclu.org/archives/nytimesad060298-mb.html+%22Lane+Flynn%22&hl=en

Lane Flynn [e-mail] (06/02/1998)
I feel obliged to state that the ACLU is an organization that is essentially a pawn of the extreme liberal left and their anti-religion, anti-family, and anti-equality agenda. As such, I have opposed, and continue to oppose, virtually every single platform they put forth, and do not wish to be construed as having even the least modicum of support for the organization or its purposes. Furthermore, I find the idea of an ad campaign designed to sell not products or services but opinions appalling. That being said, I do agree with the ACLU's stance on this particular issue. An amendment to ban flag burning is unnecessary and contradicts the right of Americans to peaceably express their views without fear of retribution.

[Rich Hunt]

160. that makes no sense

How can you be a Libertarian and not support most of the agenda of the ACLU?

The ACLU is strictly a civil liberties group. Libertarians don't use language like 'pro-family', either, and they tend to be atheists or at least VERY secular. That's some strange company he's keeping.

Of course, it does seem that the LP in the past ten years has fewer anti-War on Drugs types and more stealth conservatives. The Koch brothers (and their wifeys, ha ha) are giving tons of money to Bush.

Nevertheless, it is contradictory.

[Walt Starr]

188. Isn't it obvious? The Libertarian Party has been Freeped!

They are injectiong their Orwellian doctrine into ALL Third Party movements.

Look at how they support the Green Party!

[graham67]

215. Freeped or not...

This guy is the LP's campus coordinator at Vanderbilt. Do you think they'd maybe like to know he's engaging in this kind of activity?

on edit: Please disregard, I see in a previous post that Mr. Lane has recently graduated.

[lanparty]

254. CATO institute ...

Totally Freeped!!!!

Follow the money. It doesn't come from little libertarians all over the nation (like the ACLU). It comes from Scaife, Coors, Kuch, and the like.

[rumguy]

206. hmm...so his name is Lane Flynn.

[lanparty]

252. Time for payback ....

I'll check with my Vanderbilt contact. Maybe we can get her protested!!!!

[xultar]

32. Hopefully he isn't using Vanderbuilt resources for stuff like this! n/t

[tandot]

42. Is there a way that somebody could contact Vanderbuilt and

just make sure that they check if Vanderbuilt computers were used for that? Is there a way to make them partly reliable?

In the least they should know about unethical behaviors of their students.

[fishnfla]

109. see # 89 nt

[lanparty]

259. Academic freedom ...

Sorry, but lets not play the same stupid games. Besides Vanderbilt is a PRIVATE university. People pay about 25k per yer to go there. They won't kick a student out just because they ratted out some internet user.

Thats the kind of thing that right wing hate folk do. But we MAY be able to get this person protested a bit!!!!!

[TXlib]

36. If I were Mr. Flynn right now, I'd be worried.

We liberal types are mentally unstable, don'tchya know, and it's just a matter of time before the stalking begins... :eyes:

Seriously, pulling mean-spirited shit like that will likely have consequences for Flynn, as well. If I were he, I'd take a few more security precautions.

If it were up to me, I'd leave it alone. But if misanthrope wanted to retaliate, the only legal course of action is to investigate a civil suit against Mr. Flynn.

[Just Me]

39. "vanderbilt.edu"!!!! wtf! *eom*

[tandot]

73. just did

just wrote an email to him (to both of his email addresses).

This is so utterly disgusting.

[Terran]

192. Now the assbite is claiming

he didn't want Misanthrope to get fired. Yeah, right. What did you think was going to happen, you immoral bastard?

[ronnykmarshall]

216. Wouldn't be horrible

if his e-mail addy was passed around to various spam list?

tsk! tsk! tsk!

[derby378]

235. Looks like Flynnie blanked that page

Come out, come out, wherever you are...

[molly]

29. Ann Coulter? OMG!

:eyes: wonder what HE looks like? :puke: :puke:

[Neecy]

54. well, well....

A 21 year old punk who doesn't know what it means to hold a job gets someone fired. Isn't he the fucking big man on campus, this dimwitted little freeptard hobbyist.

I hope he isn't using university resources to cyberstalk. I think I need to make some inquiries.

[Just Me]

92. nevermind. self-deleted. eom

[datasuspect]

69. flynn contact info

gone from his profile now . . .

[TahitiNut]

151. About Lane Flynn ....

Seller of 1995 Jeep Grand Cherokee during the 2000-2001 School Year

Vanderbilt University contact for Libertarian Party Campus Organizations

Recently graduated members of Lambda Chi Alpha, Gamma Delta Zeta Chapter

Gee ... look how "diverse" (not one Asian-American or African-American) ...

[msanthrope]

28. Hit them in their wallet----800 239 9445--call for free.

This is their fundraising line. Call for free and let then know that your donation to your local NPR affiliate is going unsent because they take direction from the freeptards. Let them post to the freeptards for their budget shortfall.

"Or call WHIL now at [phone], Toll Free at [phone], or *91 from your Cingular Wireless phone."

[msanthrope]

37. I just called and left

a polite message for Mr. Stoll, telling him that I'm disappointed that an NPR affiliate would take marching orders from FreeRepublic.com.

[Mixxster]

31. Truly pathetic

I simply cannot understand people who are so obsessed with their own political opinions that they would purposely cause harm to another human being and take pleasure in it.

How damaged must their self-esteem be to behave like that? How utterly pathetic must their life be to do something like that? And, just for the record, that also applies to anyone from this side of the aisle who would pull something like that.

[QC]

34. Here's an idea!

Could those of us who apparently spend a lot of time at Freak Republik start reporting every copyright violation (remember that lawsuit?), everything that sounds even vaguely like a death threat, etc?

This could shut them up fairly quickly.

[LTR]

38. eDiablo stung them the other day

One of them hotlinked a photo from that site, and he put up an a bunch of anti-FR images in it's place.

[H2O Man]

35. This is terrible.

I feel bad that anyone got fired, and agree that that person shold only discuss this with an attorney. However, the rest of us should discuss it in great detail, because there are some very important lessons here. First, use good judgement: don't post anything here that you do not want your enemy to see. That's a self-evident statement, although I suspect that people from the younger generation may not understand it as well as us older folks. Second, know the difference between your right hand (your job) and your left (social & political activism). To try to make a subversive political statement at your job is indeed foolish, unless you are willing to stand behind it. Three, there is probably very little that an attorney can do for the person who was fired. I'm not sure about every state, but the labor laws in most states are not going to favor this person.

We are in a cultural war. Many people on here say that, though very few seem to understand the ultimate implications of that statement. Yesterday, there was a silly post on here, saying that when the draft is reinstated, the revolution begins. It's stupid to say that. I asked the poster to describe his thoughts on what that would be like? No answer, of course. I'm not prone to paranoia, but it is a good time to be careful what you say. Further, it's vital to think of the implications and consequences of that you do say.

[mopaul]

40. ...............

[H2O Man]

59. Just out of curiosity, Brother mopaul:

Does your response represent your feelings towards me, or is that your revolutionary vision? Are you able to converse in a serious, mature manner, or do you just kind of skip around, insult people, experience the second thoughts such as the other night with the Sullivan thing, and then keep up the outrageous posts? Tell me about your revolution. What does that mean to you? Not a television image, not a debater's point on a internet web site. But a real revolution.

[LoZoccolo]

293. Go and read his posts...

...you'll find he's not worth bothering with.

Would you believe he's like in his fourties or something?

[H2O Man]

342. I am also in the "older" age group.

Actually, I've had a few brief conversations with mopaul, and I agree with some of the things he says, and disagree with some. That's the way it should be, as if two people agree on everything, only one is thinking. But it doesn't strike me as particularly cutting edge or revolutionary to rant about "we want answers!" (one of today's posts), but not having the decency to answer honest questions about something he posts on here. The idea of the draft is very real, and as a father of two draft-aged sons, and uncle to a dozen draft-age nephews, and friend of many, many more people in similar positions, it is a very serious concern.

I also have some concerns with people saying things that have implications they do not fully appreciate. Between now and November, we will see backlash ..... in fact, we may have seen a bit of it already. So, I want people to think before they use a word like "revolution" carelessly.... as it is a word that the oppostion understands much differently than mopaul.

In his classic "Message to the Grass Roots," Malcolm X told his audience that their opposition knew what war was. "How do you think he'll react to you when you learn what a real revolution is? You don't know what a revolution is. If you did, you wouldn't use that word."

[LondonAmerican]

44. Agree entirely with everything you said

Especially the last sentence.

There is way too much self-indulgent posturing on political boards and if we expect to be taken seriously in our statements... well, people will take us seriously. Be prepared for that.

It's not all a joke and it's not all about passive/aggressive moralistic posing.

[onecitizen]

45. Yup and they're tickled...........

that we are posting about it here now.

[Jack The Tab]

47. A little "What if.." here......

I feel terrible about the DU member losing his job - HOWEVER - what if we saw a post at FreeRepublic about how some radio programmer was going to sabotage a Paul Wellstone tribute and told all his/her cronies the time and place.

Would we not be ENRAGED here and do perhaps the same exact thing that this Freeper did?

I'm not sure what my point is here. I am really surprised that anyone would let their politics interfere with their job. I personally cannot get bent out of shape over any of these politicians because you think they give a SHIT about any of us? Democratic principles are good and lord knows they aren't going to lead us down the road the Republicans are, but in the end, both Dems and Repugs are both subserviant to their corporate masters.

[w13rd0]

55. They didn't NEED to post on Freerepublic...

...about what they did to the Wellstone memorial (though they did). They discussed it openly, on the air. And mouth breathers went around parrotting the talking points, and HADN'T EVEN SEEN THE SERVICE... Just good lil soldiers.

[Jack The Tab]

86. not my point...

What I am saying is if someone at FreeRepublic was in charge of programming a "respectful" radio show about Paul Wellstone and went to FreeRepublic asking how he could undermine it and gave out all the information about where and when he/she was going to do this, I am sure many members here would flood that station with the same type of e-mails. AND when that person was fired, we would all be celebrating over here.

I think a lot of our actions and indignations mirror those at FreeRepublic.

[tandot]

90. preemptive strikes are alright?

I went to Freerepublic a while ago and saw a threat about liberal bumperstickers and one of the freepers threatening to run cars with those bumperstickers off the road. Should I have called the police?

The thing is that we don't know what would have happened. Misanthrope might or might not have done what he said he will. And it might have been so subtle that nobody really would have noticed it (besides DUers who really were waiting and listening to every subtle Innuendo)

Having somebody fired because they might do something in the future is utterly despicable.

[pezcore64]

48. maybe...

people should e-mail the manager from DU stating how sad it was someone was fired for their political beliefs?

[Catherine Vincent]

49. Those freeps are such evil people.

Get a man fired just because they don't agree with him. What if this guy has kids? Now he has to find another job in this so called recovered economy.

What goes around comes around freeps. Remember that.

[Norquist Nemesis]

51. Yep.

They're like packs of angry rabid dogs over there. What goes around comes around. :thumbsup:

[LTR]

52. Let this be a lesson to all

Remember that anything posted on DU or any message board can be used against you by various cretins. He posted way too much information, and in the process, got screwed over it.

It's sad. It's bullshit. But, it's reality.

Just remember, in cyberspace, it's shocking what one can find out about someone. Just ask our snitch, Lane Flynn.

[Vickers]

53. Lane Flynn? You mean that dog-molesting dispshit at Vanderbilt?

Or is this a different Lane Flynn?

:P

[Catherine Vincent]

56. It says so in his profile.

[e-mail]

The idiot finds Ann Coulter attractive. Yech!

[Cleita]

126. I notice that freeper types are attracted to skeletons, er model

types. A real woman with some flesh on them scares them. She might be able to fight back and win.

[Jose Diablo]

57. I believe posting on a message board qualifies as free speech

not a legal eagle here, but wouldn't being discharged from employment be grounds for a civil suit based on infringement of free speech?

From a NPR site too? Ha, they depend on Liberal's contributions to stay afloat right?

He was on his own time, right?

I don't see how being in a Right to Work state or Work at Will has diddly squat to do with getting fired because you expressed an opinion on you own time, off company premises.

If I were that General Manager, I would be getting some A1 sauce in preparation for eating crow. Get some knee pads too.

As for the freeper, well I won't discuss him.

[mmonk]

58. I guess one can be fired

on the assumption their chat on DU means they actually would disrupt the Reagan tribute (at least that's their case). Everyone keep your thoughts to yourself. This reminds me of when the Ayatollahs took over Iran. They depended on people turning in their neighbors. They didn't actually have to have done anything, but admit their opposition in conversation.

[LuminousX]

60. Frightening

That's the scary thing... being fired not for actions that have been taken, but for thinking about taking action.


Thought Crime.

[never cry wolf]

81. I agree, misanthrope didn't actually DO anything

He just talked about it amongst friends on a message board. You can't seek advise about your job in public? The actual playlist he had settled upon was a mixture of americana, maybe not the type the RWers like to aknowledge, but all part of the same country as ronnie raygun. It was simply his interpretation of the memo is all, and he never actually was able to follow thru with it anyway. In his post 28 here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1755097#1759511 he even states he will follow thru with the memo.

sheesh

[Walt Starr]

94. OH YESS HE DID, THOUGHT CRIME!

And that's ALL it was, a thought crime.

And NPR bends to the will of Freepers! I'll never listen to or donate to ANY NPR station again because of one station in Alabama.

[rumguy]

212. Remember you can be anyone you want to be on the internet...

Maybe misnathrope had no actual plans to carry this out, and was just 'blowing off steam' in pigboy parlance...

[Walt Starr]

214. I know I do it all the time on DU

Does anybody in their right mind actually believe I would travel to Simi Valley and actually piss on Reagan's grave, or even mail them a bottle of my urine?

Seriously, misanthrope did nothing wrong outside of committing a THOUGHT CRIME! It's fun thinking of ways to subvert orders you think are wrong, but know you'll have to carry out any way!

[Catherine Vincent]

61. It looks like Mr. Flynnie is sweating bullets. He feels bad now...

To: All
The guy got fired. That was more extreme than I'd wanted, to say the least.

23 posted on 06/10/2004 9:10:28 PM PDT by FreedomFlynnie
----------

Well what did you expect to happen, Flynnie?

[slinkerwink]

63. what an idiot---I hope he realizes the same can be done to him

when he gets a job, and posts something like that on free republic. That's the danger of "outing" people on websites and getting them fired as a result.

[QC]

93. Yes, the same can happen to him. He needs to think about that.

Maybe the nasty little pigfucker will learn something from this. That is, of course, if freepers are capable of learning anything, which seems doubtful.

[WLKjr]

66. exactly, what did he expect

Flynnie, you are ignorant for a 21 yr old that goes to Vanderbuilt in Tennessee. What kind of plesure did you get in doing such thing?

It's the Golden Rule: "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you."
and you know what Flynnie, you just set yourself up for some bad times.

and freeperland calls themselves Christian........This is a good example why I do not attend church, there seems to be to many 'human beings' like this in them. I keep my beliefs to myself and show it in my own way.

[lanparty]

277. People go to Vanderbilt for ...

...

A degree that will get them a good job.

It's a PRIVATE university. It costs $25k-$30k a year to go there. So of course it's heavily populated by the priveleged who are likely to identify strongly with the PRIVELEGED.

They don't go their to find a sense of morality. Though, one would hope that they'd be exposed to a certain diversity. Some people are mean. And the Brownshirts definitely are getting meaner. They are HEAVILY funded.

Let's put it this way. The college Republicans are like the "outer party". Do you know what I mean?????

[WLKjr]

305. The outer party

No I don't know what you mean. Enlighten me lanparty


btw, lan parties are fun!

[lanparty]

319. One joins the "outer party" ...

In order to get INTO the INNER PARTY. In other words, people seek more prestige and wealth in order to find MORE prestige and wealth. The College Republicans is a way to show the higher ups that you are an eager synchophant. You can be trusted to SERVE without regard for morals as they apply to common people. You will stab your buddy in the back in order to further yourself and your prestige.

THAT, is what organizations like the College Republicans is all about.

[WLKjr]

I see

I learn something new everyday!

not to steal a qoute from someone here but I like it:

Come, we go think, er learn :p


or something to that fact.

[mmonk]

68. Nothing wrong with having a conscience

At least Flynnie has that with the remorse.

[WLKjr]

72. true

but he had it as an afterthought.

[rumguy]

218. is it even genuine?

I doubt, remember we are dealing with a freeper here...

[Walt Starr]

70. I say we start contacting the president of Vanderbilt!

Let's find out exactly who this Flynnie is and get him expelled!

Actually, I wouldn't do that, but hopefully karma will get the Freak asshole soon!

[datasuspect]

99. no . . .

you probably should email the administrative staff of vanderbilt.

it's just plain wrong to screw with a person's job SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU DISAGREE WITH THEIR POLITICS.

this isn't a flame war, this is messing with a person's LIVELIHOOD.

fucking reagan is dead and people are still losing jobs over his ass.

[Walt Starr]

104. I just couldn't do it, even though he probably deserves it

It would be sinking to his fucked up level.

I'd rather let Karma sort his ass out anyway.

[-..__...]

183. Too late.

Looks like he already graduated.

http://www.vanderbilt.edu/lca/alumni.htm

[Ms. Clio]

197. Well, Vanderbilt's newspaper might still be interested

Surely the Libertarian Party will be highly intrigued to know what their representative thinks of the concept of free speech.

[lanparty]

286. Too late ...

Apparently he graduated already. Besides, you have to respect the idea of academic freedom. The freeper really didn't fire anybody. He was just a rat spy.

Lay the blame where it belongs: the programmer at the NPR affiliate.

[LuminousX]

318. I strongly agree

The Freeper is just a f*ckhead, the person who did the firing is the one who deserves the true wrath. It was a complete overreaction to fire anyone over what was said on a message board.

[HFishbine]

91. "That was more extreme than I'd wanted"

And I's sure he's communicated that sentiment with the station manager.

[Shakespeare]

229. Feels bad? Oh, Flynnie...payback's a bitch, you little fascist creep.

All actions have consequences, asswipe--even yours. Watch your back, loser.

[misanthrope]

64. Someone do me a favor, please...

...and store every bit of each one of these threads pertaining to this ordeal, somewhere. I will likely need it. Thanks.

[Walt Starr]

65. I've got a copy of the Freeper thread saved as of 10:48AM CDT

June 11, 2004.

PM me when you need it.

[kentuck]

67. Thought police in action....

This is scary....A person doesn't have to commit an act - only think it or talk about it and that person is guilty of a serious transgression. Is your neighbor watching you today ??

[Virginian]

71. My thoughts exactly.

He didn't say whether he used the company computer or not. Based on the times of the posts, I don't think he did.

As far as the playlist goes, no one asked him if that was his real list. He never got a chance to play it, so it may have been a fantasy list, something he was only playing in his head. His real list may have been completely conservative.

These were only thoughts, not actions.

[WLKjr]

75. Flynnie should read the book

by George Orewell "1984"

[Just Me]

101. Americans attacking Americans over merely expressing a view!!!

And not just with words, but with retaliatory actions that lead to consequences which impact an individuals life, liberty and freedom!!! That is so wrong on so many levels that, I am just appalled at these "freeper" people.

Thye are about as anti-American and anti-democracy as you can get.

[ShaneGR]

74. Ummmm, I have to play Devil's Advocate on this one......

The DU member was told by a supervisor to prepare a program covering Reagan's funeral todayin a respectful manner. Instead of doing so the DU member chose to not only disregard the supervisor but consult an "anonymous" message board on interesting ways to do the opposite of what he was told to do. In addition, he made it clear what radio station he worked at.

Certainly the DU Member has it in his right to say whatever he wants on a DU board, but he/she should have known better than to devise a plan in public about how to not follow his bosses orders. Did he want to get fired? Because if I was his boss, I would have probably fired or suspended him too.

/devil's advocate off

[tandot]

97. preemptively? Without knowing if he actually would have done it?

You can fire someone after the fact...but before?

[Yupster]

330. As a boss myself

It's not even the action. You can't have someone working for you who you think may be secretly trying to undermine you, especially in a small business where they can do it so many ways if they want to.

Once you think that's happening, it just becomes a matter of the best way to get rid of that person. He/she can't stay.

[ibegurpard]

100. I would expect no less from you

:eyes:

[ShaneGR]

173. Here's a thought

20 years from now Clinton dies. You happen to be the programming director for a radio station. You ask one of your DJs to prepare respectful coverage of the funeral. The DJ says ok. Then the DJ begins posting on Freerepublic.com and asking people to help him create a negative Clinton funeral program. In other words, your employee has lied to you, and gone on a public message board flaunting it.

I'd Donald Trump his ass.....

[tandot]

184. BEFORE he actually does anything?

I would actually wait and listen to the program. If he REALLY does what he discussed on Freerepublic I would pull him aside and give him a warning. If he doesn't stop, I would fire him.

To fire someone for something he might or might not do at some point in the future is something the NAZIs would have done.

[ShaneGR]

195. You make a point....

About the waiting to see what he does part. Could be a valid defense in a civil case. But, the whole posting and conversing with people on a public message board on the internet doesn't strike me as nazi police. To me, it's just moronic. Hey, I just tend to look at things objectively. I am, in fact, extremely socialy liberal with an education in political science. I've voted straight ticket Democrat since I first started voting in 1994. But that doesn't mean I don't take the middle roads on some issues.

[Mixxster]

281. "Then the DJ begins posting on Freerepublic.com and asking people...

to help him create a negative Clinton funeral program."

I saw the original thread and I don't remember the author asking for ways to "create a negative funeral program". I may be wrong but my take was that he was looking for ways to tactfully avoid heaping praise on Reagan. You may have fired him anyway but I do think that's different from your scenario.

[uberSub]

204. Speaking as a 12-year Public Radio veteran...

...who has served in both paid and volunteer capacities at three different stations (KRCL in UT, and KSVR & KSER in WA) I think the station manager was entirely justified in terminating this person.

(waits while the shouting dies down)

Granted, the FR user in question was a little mean-spirited in outing this programmer, but speaking as someone who has had to "fire" programmers myself, you folks need to understand how tough it is to run a public radio station, and how difficult it is to keep all the varied and sometimes whacked out personalities involved in a public radio station under control.

As was mentioned at the start of this sub-thread, the programmer was given specific instructions to produce a specific kind of program, and he/she actively tried to subvert the request. I understand if this programmer felt moral or ethical qualms about producing a pro-Reagan show, but in this case the obligation was on the programmer to approach his program director and say, hey, you know, I don't feel good about doing this one, so can we maybe get another program to pinch hit for me, just this one time? Any public radio program director or station manager with half a brain would accomodate such a reasonable request, as programmers fill in for one another all the time, and if it came right down to it, the program director or even the manager could fill in the spot, on the day in question, no problem.

But this programmer did not take the correct path. He/she felt like being underhanded and I think it very appropriate that WHIL acted to prevent the program schedule from being subverted for the cheeky political partisanship of a single programmer.

P.S: before anyone flames me about the "lost job" thing, really, I would be amazed if this person was getting ANY money. Unless WHIL is a superbly funded semi-professional enterprise, like KPLU here in Washington, it's probably 80% to 95% volunteer-oriented, meaning nobody can be "fired" in the classic sense, rather they are dismissed from their status as a volunteer.

[Walt Starr]

220. But he did NOTHING!

HE blew off some steam. Do you realize what percentage of any internet message board is fictitious crap about what one WISHES they could do? Unless acted upon, nothing wrong was done.

[uberSub]

232. Again, speaking from experience...

Station leadership often cannot afford to act "after the fact". Oncea broadcast has been made, the damage is done. If they get word a programmer is scheming to pull off something on-air that would violate station policy or a directive from station leadership, it's entirely within their purview to act ahead of time.

Also, on a hunch, I'd say misanthrope was already on thin ice. His station leadership may have been dealing with other issues where misantrhrope was concerned, and this news about subverting the Reagan show was either, a) the straw that broke the camel's back, or b) the excuse they needed to get rid of a programmer who was causing trouble in other areas anyway.

I've done this a few times. Public Radio stations are an exercise in orderly chaos. Leadership is ALWAYS being forced to make tough decisions regarding staff, especially the volunteers. Public radio volunteers sometimes get it in their heads that they answer to no and can do whatever they want on the air, in the studios, etc. Certainly public broadcasting is a far cry from the straightjacket of commercial radio broadcasting, but even public radio must operate within rules, standards, and a chain of command. Otherwise, no public radio station could hope to stay on the air.

[ibegurpard]

I'm curious as to whether you have a problem with people here

following up on the freeper's similar lack of discretion? I think this sort of thing is wrong but I won't lose a moment's sleep if this guy gets in some serious hot water over it.

[Walt Starr]

251. I'd have a problem if they were going after his job

Embarrassing articles in newspapers and losing face with a political party whose alleged principles are laughed at by this guy are different things entirely.

[uberSub]

292. Certainly, the FR user must play the same game

If his posts on FR somehow get him in hot water because they violate some rule at his job, or his school, or whatever, then of course he's due the same ration of sh-t as misanthrope. It works both ways. People need to realize that, free speech or no, their words are not always consequence-free, depending on the situation. We are all free to say whatever we want. And other people are free to react to it however they want.

[WLKjr]

Read post #236

It has the original thread from misanthrope. Now how is this so blatanly bad that you deserve to get fired. I read it, and all it is is a play on words to me, nothing seemingly serious.

[never cry wolf]

236. Ok, here's his plan from the original thread

Okay, here's the playlist for Friday;

I'm starting off with the dictated requiem, though it will be expressly stated as being played "in conjunction with our day of national observance," not "in mourning."

But here's what it is: A movement from "Memento Mori: An AIDS Requiem."

I'm following it up with Virgil Thomson's "The River" along with brief explanation of it's ecological themes.

Next is Duke Ellington's "Black, Brown & Beige Suite," a work designed to portray the history of Black Americans with a pride and elegance thereto for unseen.

Then Gershwin's "I Got Plenty o' Nuttin.'"

Which brings us to our next hour's commemorative selection, a dirge-like preBaroque piece from the Kronos Quartet entitled "Using the Apostate Tyrant as his Tool."

Then we have Erich Korngold's expanded work from the score of "Deception."

Then Richard Wagner's "Tannhauser Overture."

Then Leo Brouwer's "The Black Decameron."

We'll see what happens.

This was his interpretation of the memo. If a raygun lover were to protest (and I doubt that any but the most clever leftys would even catch on) they would have to then admit that raygun was anti-aids, anti-ecology, anti-black, pro-tyrant and pro-deception. These are all nobel causes that should have the backing of all americans and which RWers even give lip service to, when it is to their benefit.

There is nothing on there that is overtly disrespectful unless you realize the truth about RR's policies, and even then, it's the truth, after all.

[uberSub]

295. Interesting playlist

I suspecting more than ever that misanthrope had some bad blood with the WHIL management. They could have let this slide, but knowing that it is a subtle and willing violation of a request from leadership, perhaps one of many, maybe they felt like enough was enough? Anyway, a public radio station doesn't have to guarantee a programmer ANYTHING. Programming at a public station is a PRIVELEGE, not a right. That's the plain truth of it.

[lanparty]

282. Subversion ?????

He was venting. Nowhere did he say he was going to subvert the effort.

The best I can see is that he is being persecuted for violating confidentiality. But the communication was largely anonymous!!!!

It sounds like a petty vendetta to me between a programmer and on-air talent. This lady could very well be the Pig-Vomit of Public Radio!!!!!!!

[uberSub]

302. Or maybe...

She's just trying to get rid of a troublesome programmer who has a history of bending/breaking the rules anyway. It's been my experience that public radio attracts a lot of these types. Give them a time slot, and they suddenly think they own it for life, are untouchable, and can use it however they see fit.

To such types, I say: don't let the door hit you in the butt!

[lanparty]

311. Just like Stern right ...

It's NEVER the talent that people are there to listen to. It's all about the programmers.

[thebigidea]

348. and to the snotty managers who think talent are just drones I say: BAH!

[progressivebydesign]

320. I appreciate your experience.. but..

The programmer in question didn't disrupt the Reagan-fest. He or she only asked how to do it? Could the police arrest someone merely for asking in a chat room about the cleanest way to kill someone? I mean.. if there is no other evidence.

I think we're in the realm of thought police here... Misanthrope simply asked for suggestions, and was venting their frustrations. It's one thing to disobey a direct instruction at work, it's another thing to post something IN YOUR OWN PRIVATE TIME about your job.

So.. if someone tells their pals on a board like this, without naming names or a speficic company, that they hated their boss.. hated their job and wanted their boss to fall down an elevator shaft.. should they be fired for that?

If the programmer had DONE what they asked about doing, that's one thing.. but firing for supposed intent, on a non-job related board, is pretty bullshit.

And, even in the small public radio station in my old city, the on air people and programmers were paid.

[LuminousX]

339. No 'on air' action was taken

As a manager, do you make it a habit to listen in on employees' conversations they are having off of work hours and when you hear one of them say "I'd really like go on the air saying F*ck, F*ck, F*ck, over and over until the FCC storms the place" fire them?

Terminating employment not because of what someone has done but because of what they have said they were going to do is legally wrong. Now, my caveat, if he had been plotting to do something illegal on the air, then you'd have the right to intervene, turning the information over to the correct authorities. Nothing illegal was mentioned and in the worst case scenario, you could have doublechecked what the playlist actually was and from that determine if insubordination ocurred.

[hippiegranny]

222. I'll play d.a. to your d.a.

if I were the station manager, I would have taken the tip under advisement, I would have asked the d.j. to submit his playlist, then and ONLY THEN, if the playlist matched the proposed one from the lefty website, would I feel I had grounds for reprisal. Even at that, I think I would have still have chosen to warn him that I knew what was up and it was his choice to change it to something more suitable if he wanted to keep his job. I think the station manager's reaction was extremely knee-jerk and inappropriate.

[WLKjr]

310. That is exactly the way this needs to be looked at

I don't know of any other statement here that best describes my thoughts as I am sure thoughts of many others right here now.

[LuminousX]

341. BINGO!

[LuminousX]

321. But what 'on the job' action did he take that warranted being fired

at the very most, if I was his manager, I would have gone over what he had prepared to look for anything that was contrary to the wishes of the station manager and maybe, MAYBE give a slight warning that he may want to be careful in his rhetoric.

[Catherine Vincent]

77. Mr. Flynnie's profile is disabled now.

Now that it's getting too hot in the kitchen you want to turn off your profile, eh Flynnie?

I hope you sleep well tonight, you probably won't knowing that you caused someone to lose their job.

[WLKjr]

78. Typical of a freeper

You shine a light on them and they scurry back to where they came from, just like cockaroaches. I hope his conscience that he discovered afterwards drives him insane for a while to the point he seeks counciling.

[LTR]

79. That's okay

We posted everything here in this thread already.

I'll bet he just pissed his pants.

[pezcore64]

84. lol

he was just following in the footsteps of our great president!
lol

[Ms. Clio]

168. Not the brightest college kid I've ever seen

Get someone fired on the basis of his personal information, while you leave all your own for the world to see? And he clearly didn't read his university's computer usage policy--if he used his .edu account for this, he should be in some serious shit.

That's Vanderbilt caliber, huh? Funny.

[johnfunk]

199. Post Flynnie's profile HERE if you have it cached...

... I can also add flynnie to a Googlebomb database. Maybe a nice rundown of how his distortions and misrepresentations got a man fired.

[Norquist Nemesis]

80. FRee speech

As far as I'm concerned, people have the right to say whatever they want to be agreed or disagreed with...including FReepers. But when they orchestrate punitive actions on someone they disagree with, that's going over the line.

It's becoming pretty clear that the type of actions FR members have been taking (which are openly discussed) fall into that category. It's not free speech...it's organized crime and racketeering.

http://www.usdoj.gov/olp/generalcrimes2.pdf

[Walt Starr]

83. That means Freerepublic should be shut down on RICO statutes!

Report the web site!

[WLKjr]

88. need to post how to report it here

n/t

[Norquist Nemesis]

98. Here's a start

"To determine some of the federal investigative law enforcement agencies that may be appropriate for reporting certain kinds of crime, please refer to the following table: " (scroll down the page a bit for the table)

http://www.cybercrime.gov/reporting.htm

[Octafish]

82. Let us return the favor to all FREEPER NAZI SCUM.

It would be for their own good.

[Norquist Nemesis]

85. No.. See #80

They should be reported for criminal activities and racketeering.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

87. Ah, you mean like THIS?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1768775

[datasuspect]

89. I sent this message:

Thought you would like to know that one of your students (or someone using a vanderbilt.edu email address) has been involved in the firing of a radio broadcaster.

Please see these links:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1151209/posts

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1768422&mesg_id=1768422

It appears that Lane Flynn, who is affiliated with Vanderbilt University, used "dirty tricks" to launch an email campaign against an NPR staffer in Mobile, Alabama for using their protected free speech to discuss issues on an internet discussion board.

This brown-shirt thuggery is antithetical to the freedom we enjoy in this country to exercise our right to free speech.

To foster a groundswell of rabid, frothing, ultra-right wing neo-conservative opinion on the basis of posted internet messages resulting in the termination of an innocent person who was merely expressing their opinion is in keeping with the strictest traditions of fascism.

I assume Vanderbilt University does NOT want to be associated with this. I hope you don't anyway.

I enjoin Vanderbilt University, for the sake of decency, to take action against this person.
---------------

to the following people:

General Officers
GORDON GEE, Chancellor
[phone], [e-mail]
LAUREN J. BRISKY, Vice Chancellor for Administration and Chief Financial Officer
[phone], [e-mail]
HARRY R. JACOBSON, Vice Chancellor for Health Affairs
[phone], [e-mail]
MICHAEL J. SCHOENFELD, Vice Chancellor for Public Affairs
[phone], [e-mail]
WILLIAM T. SPITZ, Vice Chancellor for Investments and Treasurer
[phone], [e-mail]
DAVID WILLIAMS II, Vice Chancellor for Student Life and University Affairs, General Counsel, and Secretary of the University
[phone], [e-mail]
NICHOLAS S. ZEPPOS, Provost and Vice Chancellor for Academic Affairs
[phone], [e-mail]

[RebelOne]

95. Good going!!!

I hope this gets some action.

[graham67]

96. Heh.

That was beautiful :thumbsup:

[fishnfla]

105. GO MAN GO!!!

I'll get letters off to these guys tonight. keep it kicked!

[Blue-Jay]

110. Maybe you should also email the Vandy Student Newspaper.

Sounds like a story to me.

[smirkymonkey]

147. Or Howard Stern

I am sure he would be happy to trumpet the cause.

[Cleita]

102. Seems like misanthrope has a case to sue Free Republic.

Maybe he can't in Alabama, but here in California, there are laws to cover this I believe (maybe one of our lawyers can weigh in) because FR comes out of Fresno, CA., he can do this. It might inspire rimjob to post some rules about his members causing people to lose their jobs.

[Jade Fox]

113. Yes, regardless of Labor laws in AB, he could still sue Free Republic..

and the individual whose email had him fired, no?

[Walt Starr]

116. He may be able to sue Lane Flynn in Tennessee as well

since the crime was perpetrated in Tennessee.

[Name removed]

103. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[AussieInCA]

122. Flynn is the Libertarian Party contact hahahahah

That's right..do a google search on him. I think the Libertarian Party needs to see how well Flynnie boy is standing by their principles. Email away folks!

Maybe the press should hear about this:

I can see it now "Libertarian Party representative gets NPR official fired"


Here are some contacts:

http://www.lp.org/organization/hq/
2600 Virginia Avenue, N.W., Suite 100
Washington, DC 20037
[phone] (PHONE)
[phone] (FAX)
[e-mail]

Staff

Joe Seehusen - Executive Director
[e-mail]
202-333-0008 ext. 228



George Getz - Communications Director
[e-mail]
202-333-0008 ext. 222



J. Daniel Cloud - Libertarian Party News Editor
[e-mail]
202-333-0008 ext. 226




Dianne Pilcher - Affiliate Services Representative
[e-mail]
202-333-0008 ext. 231



Jessica Neno Wilson - Project/Pledge Coordinator
[e-mail]
202-333-0008 ext. 235



Ananda Creager - Part-time Administrative Assistant
[e-mail]
202-333-0008 ext. 225



Andrew R. Bradley - Campus Coordinator
[e-mail]
202-333-0008 ext. 229


And here is Flynnie's link on their site:

http://www.lp.org/organization/campus.php?state=TN



Oh and this is from the Libertarian website: (the part of principle)
Against
Censorship


"We defend the rights of individuals to unrestricted freedom of speech, freedom of the press and the right of individuals to dissent from government itself. ...

We oppose any abridgment of the freedom of speech through government censorship, regulation or control of communications media, including, but not limited to, laws concerning:


Electronic bulletin boards, communications networks, and other interactive electronic media as we hold them to be the functional equivalent of speaking halls and printing presses in the age of electronic communications, and as such deserving of full freedom;

[heidiho]

106. Looks like our friend Lane is head of the Libertarian Party

at Vandy.

Check the link below for the Libertarian Party and check out the Vanderbilt Link. It is none other than our friend Lane.

http://www.lp.org/organization/campus.php?state=TN

[Walt Starr]

107. Maybe the head of the National Libertarian Party would be interested

in Mr. Flynn's extracurricular activites, since he is a representative of their party.

[WLKjr]

111. here's a link

http://www.lp.org/organization/edir.php


I'm sure these are big-whigs

[West Coast Democrat]

118. "Freedom of Speech" from the Libertarian website:

http://www.lp.org/lp-blue-ribbon.html
Against
Censorship

"We defend the rights of individuals to unrestricted freedom of speech, freedom of the press and the right of individuals to dissent from government itself. ...

We oppose any abridgment of the freedom of speech through government censorship, regulation or control of communications media, including, but not limited to, laws concerning:

(snip)

Electronic bulletin boards, communications networks, and other interactive electronic media as we hold them to be the functional equivalent of speaking halls and printing presses in the age of electronic communications, and as such deserving of full freedom;

Electronic newspapers, electronic "Yellow Pages", and other new information media, as these deserve full freedom. ... "

From the Libertarian Party Platform plank:
Freedom of Communication

[Walt Starr]

123. Well obviously that is all a bunch of lies since a REPRESENTATIVE

of the Libertarian PArty has demonstrated he doesn't suypport a bit of that!

[West Coast Democrat]

112. I didn't realize Libertarians were against Free Speech.........

on internet boards.

[Walt Starr]

114. This representative of the Libertarin Party has demonstrated

the Libertarians are against Liberty!

[southlandshari]

143. Official Libertarian stand on internet censorship and freedom of speech

can be found here:

http://www.lp.org/issues/internet.html

[Cheswick2.0]

115. I know a couple of kids who go to Vanderbuilt

I wouldn't want the little Freeptard to loose his job or college scholarship or anything..
but the girls were pretty funny on the topic of biting someones mini Lane off during a BJ.

They were only kidding of course...wouldn't want Laney to get all nervous during his next sexual encounter with some girl he knows from around campus.

[Shopaholic]

132. Actually, I would like to see him lose his job and/or scholarship

would serve the little freeper right!

[QC]

137. Laney Boy is apparently a member of Lambda Chi Alpha.

Do you know any of them at Vandy?

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

150. Hang on I know a few kids at Vanderbilt

lemme call the one I know best, got her number here.....

[Cheswick2.0]

153. I don't know

if they are fraternity members. If they know this punk ass kid I am sure they will simply shun him.

[TahitiNut]

171. Graduated.

[derby378]

250. Here's his frat brothers:

http://216.239.53.104/search?q=cache:fGRBw_nAkKgJ:www.vanderbilt.edu/lca/roster.html+Lane+Flynn+Vanderbilt&hl=en

[GumboYaYa]

176. He's a Freeper, that is not a risk he faces...

[GumboYaYa]

181. He's a Freeper, I don't think he has to worry about a "next" sexual

encounter.

[LTR]

117. AZ_Joe is watching!!!

Got this in my email:

From: horace gutman <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
To: ratterrier@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: FReeper gets DUmmy fired
Date: Fri 06/11/04 10:18 AM


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1768422

Better watch your step, we are watching...

And my response:

Who's we? Your ass got booted off Freak RepubliKKK.

HA HA!!!

[bicentennial_baby]

121. Az_Joe strikes again!

God, does that guy have nothing better to do than harrass DUers via email all day??

[QC]

128. Well, if your name were "Horace Gutman," then you would also

be a maladjusted wreck of a human being, seething with resentment and feelings of inferiority. Who wouldn't?

[Cheswick2.0]

127. who the hell is AZ Joe?

Is he the one who guards the port-o-potties?

[LTR]

134. Loves to send threatening email to DUers

Calls everyone 'yellow' and 'traitor'.

Gets pretty hot about Bob Boudelang.

I pissed him off to the point that he got booted off FR due to a profanity and threat-laced tirade.

In other words, the turd that would not flush.

[QC]

141. Hmmm, does he send those emails on company time and equipment?

Could be worth taking a look at the headers and seeing where they're coming from, when he's sending them, etc.

[LTR]

145. I'd be surprised if he even had a job

[johnfunk]

209. zensearch.com? isn't that an OVERSEAS domain?

What the hell kind of patriotic American covers their e-tracks by getting an account in a nation that is also a known harbor for islamic radicals?

[Just Me]

226. Zen Research, Cupertino, CA, 408/863-2700 n/t

[johnfunk]

230. Zensearch -- straight outta the Philippines...

WHOIS zensearch.com

Checking server
Results:
Registrant:
Icthus.Net Communications
No. 17
Fatima Avenue
Philamlife Village
Las Pinas City, Metro Manila 1701
PH

Domain name: ZENSEARCH.COM

Administrative Contact:
Go, Peter [e-mail]
No. 17
Fatima Avenue
Philamlife Village
Las Pinas City, Metro Manila 1701
PH
[phone]
Technical Contact:
Go, Peter [e-mail]
No. 17
Fatima Avenue
Philamlife Village
Las Pinas City, Metro Manila 1701
PH
[phone]

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

120. That gives me a fantastic idea!

Let's start posting all kinds of FICTIONAL scenarios about our employment. Give just enough details to seem real.

Then it will keep the freepers busy tattling on non-existent employees and feeling stupid when the employer says "we have no such person working here".

Just have to make sure it doesn't get an actual person who DIDN'T post here in trouble.

It can be done. What a great use of freeper time!!!

Meanwhile, I'll be out registering dems to vote!

Brilliant, and they gave me the idea!

[Jade Fox]

124. People who saved Flynn's posts, hang on to them since they have..

been shut down on FR. They may be needed in future legal action.

[Walt Starr]

129. I've got the thread where he announces he's contacting

Misanthrope's employer.

[Independent_Minded]

125. this won't be popular

but id have fired him as well. its subordinance in my view, and i mean no ill intent to misanthrope.

[Cheswick2.0]

131. bullshit

he talked about what he would like to do. He didn't do it. Only in a facist state would you be correct.

[datasuspect]

135. bullshit

the characterization on the part of FReepers (and his employer would not have found out except for their hitleresque tactics) was wholly inaccurate.

misanthrope DID NOTHING except WRITE WORDS on an internet discussion board.

if exercising free speech is actionable nowadays, this country is seriously fucked.

it isn't insubordination to express your opinion outside the workplace.

[Cheswick2.0]

139. ha ha Jinx

now you owe me a coke or something. :hi:

[datasuspect]

148. howsabout an ice cold beer?

[Cheswick2.0]

162. sounds good!

:7

[WLKjr]

136. If I'm not mistaken

it was on his OWN DAMN TIME! and just for your info, this seems to be a cyber crime. I am a network admin and have been schooled in these things.

[bobbyboucher]

138. Save it.

It wasn't subordination unless he did what he was THINKING about doing. Which he did NOT. So take your support for the thought police and squirm your way back up the big freep ass.

[Independent_Minded]

190. No need to be an ass about it

like i said, i know my view wouldnt be popular, and im not defending the other guy's action at all. im just saying that as the station GM, were i in his shoes, i would have done the same.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

317. Go away quickly

the sooner the better

[Ms. Clio]

193. "squirm your way back up the big freep ass"

LOL LOL!

Beautiful, thanks!

[thebigidea]

there must be NO independent thought in radio! DJs are cogs in the machine

Questions are a burden for others.
A still tongue makes a happy life.

[tandot]

169. preemptively firing someone for what they "might" do in the

future? BEFORE the fact? Without knowing if he would have actually done it?

This is NAZI mentality

[TexasSissy]

186. I agree. Ratting is a bad thing, but Misanthrope

Misanthrope articulated a plan to sabotage his workplace's programming for the day. If Misanthrope can't be objective and do what is expected of him in programming at that station, he shouldn't be working there.

As for the snitch...well, a snitch is a snitch. Who likes 'em or respects 'em? Nothin' lower than a snitch. It was none of his business, after all.

[seabeyond]

297. i would NOT have fired him

if i found out that he was a democrat adn opposed to what i was asking i would have been empathitic. sorry all, but if an employee does a good job and i could understand if clinton adn they were opposed i absolutely would nto make them do it. i am not such a moran. i would have worked with employee in respect and value of said person

so i am employer, i own business, all my life been manager, hiring and firing, and i would NOT have fired

i would have worked with

[LuminousX]

326. It isn't subordination unless it was actually done

If I'm at a bar and I ask my buddies what is a good way to get revenge on my boss and we talk about exlax cookies and other pranks (nothing felonious) but I don't ever do anything, should I be fired?

Thought Crimes.

[tom_paine]

130. I said unquestionably certain. Toitalitarians are so easy to predict

And I would NOT have done what you assholes did to this guy before, hell, I don't even LIKE visiting your gutless, cowards' site the way you all seem to masturbate here CONSTANTLY.

But NOW I would get a Brownshirt fired. This if fucking WAR!

Come after me in ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM FREEPER and I WILL FIND YOU. That is a fucking PROMISE!

"He who double-crosses Tuco and leaves him alive, knows NOTHING about Tuco..."
--Tuco Ramirez "The Good The Bad and the Ugly"

[progressivebydesign]

133. Do those people reallly want to play dirty?

Remember how many of those dipshits signed their names and cities to those filth-laden diatribes against Ted Rall the other day? Remember how many of this idiots actually USED their work email addresses to do that? Do they REALLY want to open this can of whoop ass?

I cannot believe that the DUer, Misanthrope, would really be fired for an email post, made while not at work. It didn't say they he/she was going to do it.. they were just asking for suggestions. I think this is not a righteous firing.

[WLKjr]

144. Well Well

They really put thier work email on there? Thats a blatant misuse of company time on company computers taking up company HD space and using the company network and bandwith. That is a firable offence and there is no way to fight that.

[QC]

180. Excellent idea!

[rumguy]

225. Remember all the dipshits who sent in racial slurs to Margarat Cho?

Cho posted their names and emails on her site. I emailed one had a little convo. with him. I googled his email. The only hit for his specific email was...get this...a church!

It wasn't a hate-monger church. I believe it was a Lutheran Church. Now I could have gotten that dude fired or dismissed from whatever position he had there. His email was nasty, disgusting. But I chose not to...that's not my style. Next time around however, I many not be so forgiving....

[killbotfactory]

140. Wow! An Asshole Libertarian!

I didn't know they existed!

[Cheswick2.0]

159. what, you never heard of Bill Maher?

Just kidding just kidding... I know some people like him. I just couldn't resist.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

142. Hold on hold on

I have a good friend who is an editor on the Vanderbilt student paper staff. I called her about this and she agrees it is a very interesting story. I gave her the entire story and ALL the information. She is researching this and doing a write up as I type this.

Also Mr. Lane Flynn needs to know he is on notice. When I decide to go after someone, I don't quit. Have sent emails to all email addresses above for Vanderbilt.

Karma's a bitch and he's about to find out how much.

[bicentennial_baby]

146. Bwahahaha

Rock on!!

[Walt Starr]

149. PM Me if you want a copy of the original Freeper Thread

I suspect it will be pulled soon if RimJob gets wind that he may be open to a lawsuit.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

156. I've got it

everything over there needs to be mirrored. Memory hole time for FR.

Also, I have contacted all information given for Lib party.

Working next on his fraternity contacts.

My friend the student editor (she is not THE editor, but one of them) is DISGUSTED by what this guy did and agrees it is going to make for a great editorial on what crosses the line on the internet and free speech, etc. ESPECIALLY coming from a Libertarian.

He is so toast, I gotta tell you. I love that he goes to the university where I just HAPPEN to know some people very well.

[graham67]

249. I've got some disk space and a shitload of bandwidth

If someone wants to upload via FTP.
:P

[heidiho]

154. He deserves everything he gets for screwing with someone's career

and their life.

Ha ha ha

Nobody likes a Tattletale Mr. Flynn!!!

[Walt Starr]

155. BTW, the FACT that he's the head of the Vanderbilt Libertarian Party

should make this a REALLY juicy story!

[mmonk]

158. I know it may feel good

to get justice, but I'm not wild about getting people fired because of message boards. Does he deserve getting fired for having Misanthrope fired? Yes. But people have also have families. Family members won't deserve it. I guess he sowed a reaction though.

[bicentennial_baby]

161. Fired? He's a college student...

and head of the school's Libertarian Party chapter...He's a 21 y.o kid.

[mmonk]

170. ah

didn't know. Well the attention will warrant a lesson learned for him.

[trumad]

167. You're right...He shouldn't be fired (from what I do not know)

He should be taken out back and beaten with a baseball bat!

[Catherine Vincent]

202. LOL! Good on ya!

[AussieInCA]

152. someone shoot a summary of this to Randi at AA

Libertarian Representative gets individual fired over internet free speech! (one of their key principles)

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

157. Good idea

I am busy with my peeps at Vanderbilt....and the Libs.....someone shoot this over to Air America....this one is meaty.....

I swear to all that is holy, Flynn is going to want to stay very far away from any computers for some time to come. If he's smart he's pissing his pants right now.

(Trying to see if I can find out anything with regard to scholarships or work study program, just for fun, just in case...)

[AussieInCA]

163. just send her a copy of your email to the vanderbilt folks - nt

[WLKjr]

172. I just sent them an email

with a link to this forum since the freeper one is no longer there.


make some phone calls too people!

[LTR]

174. Uh Oh! AZ_Joe just sent me another threat

From: horace gutman <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
To: ratterrier@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: Anything happens to Flynn..
Date: Fri 06/11/04 11:57 AM


Anything happens to Flynn and we begin targeting DUmmys.

Go ahead...make our day, oh please, go ahead....

My reply:

Go away pussy boy!

Email me back when you grow pubic hair!

[It was not a pretzel]

185. sounds like a threat of violence

n/t

[Blue-Jay]

187. Dear Horace, fuck off

Quit trying to assign yourself false importance, ya little pussy.

[Cheswick2.0]

194. hmmmm

I'll bet joe is some tiny bald guy with a nazi uniform he dresses up in when he flagelates himself in front of the mirror to "get off".
Dickheaded freeper reject.

[Neecy]

200. 'targeting'?

I'd make a police report. This is a clear threat.

[WLKjr]

203. It goes past the regular police

Cybercrime is handled well by the FBI and Secret Service, escpecially threats.

[LTR]

207. I've saved all the emails

Waiting for the right opportunity to pounce.

But in the meantime, I just keep 'em for when I feel down and need a good laugh.

AZ_Joe is a sad, pathetic son of a bitch. And basically a lightweight.

Should I just call his bluff and send him a map to my house?

[WLKjr]

213. Are they still monitoring this on FR?

I want to go see if I became important enough to be qouted.....

afterwards I will need to go :puke: and get a shower.

[rumguy]

233. Seriously, I wonder if Zen Research (whatever the hell it is) knows

that the ratfink Horace is sending out DEATH THREATS...

would they still want to host his email account?

[markses]

175. Mr. Flynn has every right to complain to the management of the NPR station

He is not in violation of any law, and his conduct is not in the least bit tortious. Unfortunately, misanthrope provided enough information to be identified; the radio station manager is the real proximate cause of his termination. What Mr. Flynn did was legal, and was not malicious, legally speaking. Furthermore, some of the postings on this thread almost cross the threat threshold, and that is both unconscionable and a tort liability for the operators of this web site, and its LLC.

That said, Mr. Flynn will have to consult his conscience about his actions, and misanthrope will have to learn a very hard lesson about confidentiality. Mr. Flynn's actions, while not technically tortious, were certainly mean-spirited and utterly immature: He is an adult who behaved like a spoiled child, with little regard for the possible consequences on another real human being. He took an abstract political stance and "hurt" somebody in real terms; he behaved like a totalitarian and street-corner commisar. That is on his conscience. But it is not tortious conduct given the facts of the matter. Misanthrope relinquished his expectation of privacy by openly posting detailed information on a public board. Mr. Flynn was within his rights to 1) see this information, 2) react to this information with a letter to the management. However within his rights these actions were, they remain petty and unethical (rather than illegal or otherwise tortious). That's a sad fact. If you think misanthrope has a case of wrongful termination or any other tort against either Mr. Flynn or the radio station, you are sadly uninformed. Laughable suggestions such as RICO enforcement are even farther off the mark.

Mr. Flynn will have to deal with his conscience on this, but not the courts.

[Cheswick2.0]

198. I don't think so

You do know that is only your opinion, not actual fact?

[markses]

217. I know that any argument about the legality of Mr. Flynn's actions

is opinion at this point, and I'm not even sure what "actual fact" would even mean in such a context. Since we are in a realm of opinion contesting with opinion, however, please feel free to explain to me in what legal context Mr. Flynn's actions could be viewed as tortious conduct given the fact pattern of this case as it stands? If you think I am wrong in my opinion, feel free to explain why. It's usually more productive than sarcastic non-comments such as you've posted here.

[Ms. Clio]

283. Why doesn't the "fact pattern" suggest cyberstalking?

Someone reads something on an anonymous public message board that upsets him and decides to go the next step, into researching that person's identity and actively attempting to harm the victim by interfering with his real life job?

Are you an attorney? Otherwise, your "opinion" on the law is just that, isn't it?

[markses]

324. It is not cyberstalking

First, Mr. Flynn did not attempt to contact misanthrope in a personal matter, but rather the radio station's management about a policy/performance/business matter. You assume that the letter was personally vindictive (which it probably was), but it is couched as a matter of public performance on the part of the radio station itself. None of the elements of stalking or harrassment are present.

Second, not only did misanthrope provide sufficient information for identification, he also identified a role of public concern (i.e., the station's programming). To be concerned about possible disruption of a public radio station is not the same as harrassment.

You assume that contacting the radio station was "personal." You must assume so in order to assert "stalking." This cannot be proven by the elements. In fact, Mr. Flynn's letter tends to prove the opposite: the concern was not with the person so much as with the performance of the organization.

As for whether or not I am an attorney, I do not disclose such information on a public message board (for good reason). I will tell you that the argument would be an "opinion" whether I am an attorney or not - or even a judge, for that matter. There's a reason pronouncements by law firms and judges are called "OPINIONS," after all!

[Ms. Clio]

332. Yes, I did know that, oddly enough

So can't you use his posts at FR to prove it was personal?

[Ms. Clio]

208. You may be right about the courts

But I don't see why he shouldn't face the court of public opinion? Are people entitled to complain about him to Vanderbilt and the Libertarian Party?

[boobooday]

179. SHITE!

PIGS!

What's funny is, in a reverse situation, say a Clear Channel station, and say it was a Paul Wellstone tribute . . .

Would it have played out the same way? I wonder.

http://www.wgoeshome.com

[boobooday]

182. SHITE!

PIGS!

Picture a scenario -- a reverse situation, say a Clear Channel station, and say it was a Paul Wellstone tribute . . .

Would it have played out the same way? I wonder.

http://www.wgoeshome.com

[Chomskyite]

189. I'm going to go out on a limb here . . .

. . . and say it's fairly unlikely we've got DU members actively reading through as many Freeper posts as they can in hopes of getting a Freeper fired.

But the Freepers probably have hundreds of members doing just that every day.

More proof how wrong Nader is about the two parties.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

196. What's sad is not one person questioned it. Very un-Christianlike.

and I believe that most of them on that board claim to be Christians. I wouldn't want to see anyone fired for a reason like that. As a former HR person (and a former psych social worker) who had to witness firings - with people crying, begging for their jobs back - it is nothing to take lightly. I used to go home and feel horrible the entire night after someone was fired - tossing and turning.

I don't wish a firing on ANYONE. It can ruin a person's life -lead to depression, suicide, alcoholism. You should never be happy seeing another person being fired.

I have the feeling that that person does feel somewhat guilty and questions what they did. They have taken on a huge responsibility and burden. They wouldn't have the need to post it and get affimation for it if they didn't sort of question what they did. The people who applauded it and egged him on are just as guilty.

My advice to any freepers reading this: you need to develop some empathy and think about the consequences of your actions. If you don't understand what you did is wrong - you have a problem.

[WLKjr]

201. That is what sets a DUer and a Freeper apart

n/t

[Catherine Vincent]

210. I think Flynnie does have a conscience. He said later on

that he didn't realize the guy would get fired. He will learn a good lesson for what he did.

[elf]

211. HERE IS THE ENTIRE THING< WATCH IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1151209/posts

:nuke:

[WLKjr]

221. They already have a story up about it

<snippet>
DUer gets what's coming to him-- Is Canned
Definitly Ungrateful | 6/10/04 | WO4TG


Posted on 06/10/2004 10:07:11 PM PDT by WinOne4TheGipper


I was sent notified of this by Quzar and thought it deserved a thread of it's own.

As news of the death of Ronald Reagan spread, nutcases have been trying to contain thamselves from dancing on the grave of the man who they owe their very lives to. Of course, they can't help themselves at DU.
</snippet>

link:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1151571/posts

[WLKjr]

223. and this one

To: FreedomFlynnie
IDiot "X" posts his idea on a publicly seen messageboard and expects to NOT be revealed?
I say "BURN BABY BURN"



18 posted on 06/10/2004 4:14:17 PM PDT by Darksheare (enthusiasm + energy * willpower / time available = probability of trouble/discovery)

so I guess this is thier logic, I wonder how they would act if one of us did that to them?

[uberSub]

224. This is not a question of free speech!!!!

This is a question of a public radio programmer trying to subvert a request from the leadership of the station. Again, if misanthrope had an ethical or moral problem with doing a 4-hour Reagan program, misanthrope should have informed his/her program director and bowed out for that one show. Let someone else do it, who does not have a problem. That was the responsible choice. misanthrope made an irresponsible set of decisions: 1) to subvert the original request, and 2) to post this intention in a public forum.

Again, speaking as a 12-year public radio vet, paid and volunteer, I know how tough it is to keep a public station running. misanthrope chose to violate a request from WHIL management. misanthrope needs to be prepared to suffer the consequences.

Yes, the FR user was a tad mean about it.

But who here would not have done the same had a conservative public radio programmer (yes, they exist) boasted at Free Republic about subverting a broadcast regarding, saying, Clinton? Or FDR? You can't tell me that DUers are above this, when I know there are a few of you who would have gladly gotten a conservative programmer tossed for trying to take a similarly subversive action, on-air, against the wishes of his or her station leadership.

[WLKjr]

227. So what you are saying

is that you can get tossed for thinking and not doing? are you from FR????

[uberSub]

241. I am saying misanthrope made a poor choice

No, I am not from FR. I discovered DU a little while ago and have wanted to chime in on occasion, but the registration page was either down, or I got busy at work and forgot about it until the thread had vanished or gotten so big as to have wandered totally off topic.

As someone who has inside knowledge of how Public Radio really works, I thought this thread demanded some attention, and thankfully today the registration form was turned on.

Again, see my previous comments on how a public station must constantly combat the often chaotic actions of its volunteer staff. If I am a program director or manager at WHIL and I get wind that one of my programmers is about to subvert one of my directives, hell yes, I take action. Especially if this person is a known troublemaker. I am not saying misanthrope was for sure, but it's a possibility, and explains the quick dismissal. (you can't fire a volunteer, BTW)

It's not a thought-control issue. It's a chain of command issue.

[WLKjr]

253. I understand where your comming from

but the thing I can't get over is how he just fired him without questioning him. But then again, to get an email from someone who boasts about getting someone fired, would seem a little shady to me and I would start to question the whole thing. I have a networking teacher that worked for a AM radio station for a long time and have heard stories about how chaotic things can become.

If it was done on company computers and on company time, I would understand better. But, from what I have read, he was posting on a public forum, on his own personal time. A freeper who prides himself on messing up someones life finds the thread and decides to play politics with it because it had regans name in it. It pissed him off and he crossed the line by sending out an email to the station head. There is something definately wrong with those actions. The way I see it, the First Amendment was violated.

if you don't believe me that they were frating over this gentlemans demise, go to FR's site and read those posts about it.

http://www.freerepublic.com

[Walt Starr]

268. Sniff sniff

something stinks. Not sure what, but something smells like rotting seafood.

[WLKjr]

269. Oh and welcome to DU btw

I appreciate the chance to debate with you :)

[uberSub]

296. Thankyou.

This thread is something I can actually speak on without pulling stuff out of my butt. I can't always say that. =^)

[Walt Starr]

228. BULLSHIT!

READ THE ORIGINAL GOD DAMNED THREAD!

Jesus Christ, I can't believe people are supporting Freepers going after people because of what they fucking THINK!

[Norquist Nemesis]

231. Check the post count.

;)

[WLKjr]

240. That is unbelievable

I have been skipping between a couple of these threads and there seems to be quite a few that arent reading the whole thing. I have been following this all morning and it is still unbelievable to me, that I COULD BE FIRED for sitting here at home say talking shit about my job on my own time yet still going to work on time everyday and doing my job to the exact orders of my boss(es) and have a freeper email them and have me fired so they can get off and be happier for the rest of the day knowing they rubbed off on a DUer and made his life miserable.....phucking sick man!

[uberSub]

248. I had a buddy who got fired...

For posting on a sports message board. One of his "enemies" from another team connected some dots, figured out where my buddy worked, and that he was posting on company time, then e-mail his boss with the dirt, and BAM! My buddy was out of work. It sucked, sure. But then again, my buddy should not have been posting on company time if he knew his boss could get p-ssed at him for it.

Was my buddy being punished for being a sports fan? For being a message board poster? For expressing himself?

No. He was punished because he broke the rules at his job.

So has misanthrope.

[Walt Starr]

257. Sniff sniff

Something doesn't smell right because you obviously did not read the original thread.

HE WAS POSTING ON HIS OWN GOD DAMNED TIME!

And YES, you ARE supporting the Freeper.

[uberSub]

274. Walt

Sure he was posting on his own time, about his intention to violate a directive from his station leadership. If he already has a history of bending the rules, said leadership was probably not willing to take the chance of letting him get them in hot water. I have done the same with volunteers who repeatedly disregard the FCC's inane profanity rules. Yes, they suck. But I'd rather keep my station on the air and sans fines, than support some knucklehead programmer who doesn't lose a damn thing if he gets my station fined or shut down because he broke the rules. There are priorities at stake here. A chain of command MUST be enforced. WHIL did that. the "freeper" becomes an issue only because misanthrope was dumb enough to broadcast his intentions for all the world to see. His bad, I guess?

[camero]

That he never followed through with

What do you have against freedom of thought?

[Walt Starr]

287. Shhhh, maybe he's a thought cop

out to get you fired!

[camero]

289. That's alright

I'm unemployed and disabled. Egad.

[datasuspect]

262. bollocks

[WLKjr]

264. That is IF HE DID POST ON COMPANY TIME

which he DIDN'T. I will say this again as I have many times today already, I am a network admin, yes I can have a person fired if they are wasting company time posting using company equipment and bandwith causing me to lose money and run the risk of having worms/viruses/hackers/porn on company computers, then yes firing is in procedure and would be carried out quickly and without worry becuase there is nothing that can be fought in court.

if its on personal time, then guess what, YOUR FUCKED and you as a boss do not have the right to check ones life off the clock!

[uberSub]

276. Okay then...

What if you find out one of your users has posted a message to a public forum detailing his intention to sabotage the servers at his job because he has an issue with the boss? Suppose he posts this info on his own time, but you and your company already know this user has problems, and you believe truly that he will carry out his threat? What do you do? Nothing?

[WLKjr]

288. Well here's what I would do

he would be put on suspension and rights to the network revoked and reassigned to another position for a while. One that involved not working near a computer.

[Name removed]

301. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[datasuspect]

316. hmmm . . .

sabotaging servers might be construed as a criminal act. that is actionable and a company might even be able to sue an employee if they did this. it's completely different from legally protected free speech (made during misanthrope's free time) dealing with reagan media overload.

can you see the difference? your analogy/parallel is seriously flawed.

you are assuming that misanthrope has had problems with his employer. what are you basing this assumption on?

[uberSub]

246. I'm not supporting the "freeper"

I stated already I thought this was rather mean on the part of the FR user in question.

What I am supporting is the STATION MANAGEMENT. I have background in this regard that I believe can help inform this group as to the way a public station must operate in order to remain on the air. Volunteers get dismissed all the time, for a variety of reasons. All this spleen-venting over thought control and free speech and let's nuke the "freepers" is beside the point. WHIL staff found evidence one of their programmers was about to violate a directive. They acted to stop things before the damage occured. My gut tells me misanthrope probably had outstanding issues with WHIL anyway, and this latest issue over the Reagan thing was simply the straw that broke the camel's back.

[ibegurpard]

258. You might be right

However, I will watch with glee any blowback that this freeper may suffer because of his similar lack of discretion.

[datasuspect]

266. you keep talking about your background . . .

what station(s) do (did) you work for?

[jdsmith]

298. Oh come now

Isn't revelation of such details the root of this incident?

I'd take the poster's word for his or her employment--even if I find some of the postings obtuse--before I'd require that he or she create that kind of trail.

[datasuspect]

303. no . . .

i just need people to "cite" what they are saying to "prove" their statements

/sarcasm

[uberSub]

299. My station history

KRCL FM, Salt Lake City, UT = 1992 thru 1993
music librarian
show host

KSVR FM, Mt. Vernon, WA = 1994 thru 1998
program director
music library
show host

KSER FM, Seattle/Lynnwood, WA = 2002 thru 2003
show host

[markses]

238. Agreed

Now they can check my fucking post count.

[trumad]

244. Fuck your post count!

You should be ashamed that you side with the thought police. I think of ways all the time to go in and tell my fucking boss he's a fucking creep....I don't do it! What ..now ya gonna report me and get me fired? PM me and I'll give you his email address... Hey..if you get me fired come back here and brag about it.!

[markses]

271. I agree that Mr. Flynn was within his rights

And that the poster was stupid for doing what he did. I also agree that DUers would do something along the same lines, and, in fact, have done just that. There was a state worker for the State of West Virginia who wrote a hateful email to Margaret Cho's website. Several people on these boards recommended and bragged about reporting that worker to his department head. That's fact. Now, we'll have to notice the difference in the two situations: The state worker actually did send the email, and from a work email address. Misanthrope did not perform the actions contemplated, and apparently posted from home. However, Mr. Flynn's email aired concern, and the judgment call was on the part of management. Did they think misanthrope was trustworthy as a representative of the organization? They did not. Would I have done the same? Maybe, but probably not. Despite these differences, however, we see that the act of advising a supervisor about something is not off-limits in the Cho case, so there's no small hypocrisy here. As for "thought control," I doubt the NPR affiliate would worry about thought if that thought wasn't open and serious premeditation about undermining a management directive and misrepresenting the organization - actually soliciting public suggestions about how best to misrepresent the organization. This person would, at the very least, be called into a meeting with me and asked to explain the problem. I'd also consider a reprimand.

[Ms. Clio]

307. The state worker actually did send the email, and from a work email addres

Isn't that the crucial difference? Misanthrope was posting on a public message board, on his own time.

Jesus. If some of my past employers had known what I said or thought or fantasized about doing, I would have been fired from half a dozen jobs.

I agree that it was equally indefensible to harass that state worker in the same way.

[markses]

315. Did you get that from my post

Cuz I did include the crucial difference in my post, y'know?

[Ms. Clio]

337. Thanks for the sarcastic non-comment

[markses]

350. Talk about cyberstalking!

Whew. I can't get away!

Besides, since trumad's post contained nbo new information, I thought I could sarcastically non-comment in relative safety. This would be unlike our friend above, who directly contradicted a substantive post in a title, and included no support for that comntradiction elsewhere. See the difference?

[msmcghee]

333. No, the crucial difference . .

. . is having a discussion about his intent to deceive his employer, not the technicality by which he may get away with it.

This is not a thought crime. Our private thoughts are our own. When we share them with others, they become public information.

If someone's shared thoughts are about decieving their employer (the citizens of the US) about the need to go to war in Iraq, then the employer (us) would be stupid not to do something about it. We fire the employee.

[markses]

345. Let's do a hypothetical

You work for Samtech Corp., a seller of children's software products. You absolutely despise the head of one of your client companies, a customer. On wednesday, your boss asks you to do a pitch for the customer, who you know to be an asshole. You haven't done the pitch before, but it's a new element of your job. That night at a restaurant, you openly complain about the assignment to some friends using the name of your company, and solicit ways to undermine the transaction. Unfortunately, your boss, unbeknownst to you, is sitting in a booth directly behind you.

Are you going to get in trouble, even though you haven't done anything yet? Will your boss be angry with you? If yes to either of these, is that "thought control"?

[Ms. Clio]

353. But in this case, there had to be an active third party

Researching my identity, tracking me down, and reporting that subversive conversation to my employer in a deliberate attempt to interfere with my job and livelihood.

If I was in that restaurant, and my boss had the potential to be there, I would probably be more discreet, anyway. But who expects some random freeper to do something like this?

It's worrisome, and makes me rethink my participation here.

[Name removed]

243. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[uberSub]

265. Good lord, relax!

Wow, "freepers" behind every rock and every bush, eh?

Some of you need to step back and take a breath, or ten.

Unless you propose a civilization based on anarchy and chaos (oxymoron, anyone?) there will always be rules and standards, agreements and contracts, by which we all must abide.

When I was program director at KSVR I drew up a lengthy volunteer contract that spelled out exactly what kind of behavior the volunteers could NOT engage in if they expected to keep their on-air program and their volunteer status. This was supported and approved by the Skagit Valley College administration, who had been pushing to "shape up" KSVR about the time I came to work there, as the community had started to complain about profanity and out of control programmers on the air, and so forth. I had to dismiss a lot of very good volunteers because they violated that contract. In some cases, if they promised to chill out for a little while, then come back and sign a new contract, myself or the station manager would let them back onboard.

Really, this apoplexy over free speech is missing the point. misanthrope had an obligation to follow his leadership's directives, or make it known that he had a conscientious objection to doing that kind of program, so that an alternative arrangement could have been made. That would have been the responsible decision. Free speech doesn't enter into it at all, folks.

[datasuspect]

270. i guess . . .

we're all "angry" too?

when do we get the "why so angry" bit?

[datasuspect]

273. btw

you can follow "leadership directives" and still have an opinion.

[ibegurpard]

275. I suppose that since you're here

and you've identified the call letters of a station that you work for or used to work for that you wouldn't have a problem if someone was able to trace that information back to you and contacted your employer about your participation in a hateful, left-wing political propaganda site?

[WLKjr]

278. Exactly

because that is what happend the misanthrope.

[WLKjr]

280. Exactly

because that is what happend to misanthrope.

[uberSub]

309. He he he he

My employers would probably give me a raise for posting at DU, as they are all lefties anyway.

Anyway, I'm not volunteering at the moment. I had to give up my last time slot at KSER when the Army called me to service last year. Since I've been back in the civilian world and my new baby has arrived, I have not had the time nor energy to seek out a new slot. Though I did put in an application at KBCS when they appealed for programmers. We'll see what happens.

[Norquist Nemesis]

279. You'll need to cut some slack

We're kind of hyper-sensitive. As DUers and liberals are attacked and threatened by FR members. I don't know whether you've actually been to the site to see this going on, but the hatred that spews from there is revolting. After getting uberBashed, we can be a little touchy.

I can respect that you have experience in the industry and present a valid viewpoint; still I see that viewpoint as flawed.

[uberSub]

313. My opinion on FR

FR and DU are mirror images of eachother, almost like the alternate universe in Star Trek. Obviously, both sides think the other is the "weird" one. =^)

I finally signed up here at DU because this thread truly interested me and I felt like I had some experience that would be revealing for the group.

[datasuspect]

323. i remember this . . .

saying from somewhere on the internet circa 1994

"nothing is new."

i disagree with your analysis however.

freekrepublic is very lock step and authoritarian.

don't they consider personal opinion a "vanity" post?

the tone of discussion is "ditto."

they talk with pride of user purges (gotta love freepers using that word about their own forum).

many, many posts are simply indicative of the right wing impulse and way-of-being: extremely mean spirited; hateful; and inane.

du on the other hand, does seem to encourage actual DISCUSSION rather than doctrinal purity. the people seem more humane, albeit singularly frustrated, but willing to give the benefit of the doubt.

i don't see the mirror image. maybe you can expound on your thesis.

[uberSub]

329. I freely admit...

...that I read DU a lot more than FR.

I have incorrectly equated the two, I apologize.

I just think, person by person, FR seems to have its raving fanatics, and so does DU. And the fanatics on both boards seem to be unable to see themselves for what they are, while pointing fingers in the opposite direction.

Sort of a pot calling the kettle black sort of thing.

Now that I have actually engaged on DU, maybe I should do an experiment and engage at FR, and see which forum handles me better/worse? That would be an interesting experiment, to see which group was more tolerant of alternative opinions.

[datasuspect]

335. please do

i would suggest that wholeheartedly.

i try not to read FR, but i am a glutton for a punishment.

if you aren't in lock step, you will get booted.

my record is within two posts. let me know what yours is.

[AngryAmish]

334. I might report you for talking about Star Trek

Too many trekkies around here, if you ask me.

[Neecy]

290. uh-huh

...misanthrope had an obligation to follow his leadership's directives, or make it known that he had a conscientious objection to doing that kind of program, so that an alternative arrangement could have been made.

"His leadership's directives"....what a creepy expression.

You know what? He wasn't GIVEN the opportunity to discuss this, to assure his 'leadership' that the programming would be according to their 'directives', or to give up the chair for the morning. They phoned him and gave him the axe...period, because of some smarmy little puke who took someone else's life into his own hands.

Did you read the original thread? Where did he say with certainty that he was going to ACT upon the suggestions? I suppose, though, that like your idealogical 'leaders' you believe in pre-emptive strikes.

And yes, I do think you're a freeper. Asshole.

[Walt Starr]

294. I wonder what the first clue was?

June 11th registration date, maybe?

I wonder if Flynnie's lurking and trying to have some friends cover his ass for him?

[datasuspect]

300. clues . . .

authority fetish

"leadership directive"

[Neecy]

327. No doubt, Walt

I wonder if Flynnie's lurking and trying to have some friends cover his ass for him?

I'm guessing Flynn is crapping his shorts right now and his boyz are here to try and fend off the consequences.

You know, I wouldn't have done what Flynn did in a thousand years, not only because I have ethics - and a friggin' life - but you never know what you're going to stir up. You know nothing about these people. If I had someone fired from their job because I involved myself in their life, I'd be afraid he'd show up on my doorstep with one hell of a bone to pick.

It's just not worth messing with people you don't know.

[uberSub]

343. Paranoia?

LOL! Seriously, just because the "freepers" are out to get you doesn't mean they are out to get you, if you know what I mean.

What do the kids say these days?

PEACE OUT, or something...

=^)

[uberSub]

325. You assume a lot, friend

We don't KNOW if there was any discussion at all, between misanthrope and WHIL.

My hunch is misanthrope had a history with WHIL, and while this incident alone was probably not enough to get him canned, this incident combined with prior insubordinations/violations was enough to get him axed.

Bummer for him. But there are always other stations one can get involved with. WHIL is not the only public station in the universe.

P.S: does one become a "freeper" by simply posting a point of view that contradicts the general trend of the discussion?

OUCH!

[Name removed]

336. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[uberSub]

346. Wow, Neecy

"You know one when you see one!"

Isn't that what the Communist-haters used to say during the McCarthyist era?

Be careful about adopting the worst behavior of your "enemy".

[datasuspect]

338. just remember

a "hunch" is simply unsubstantiated opinion.

but that's okay, just don't try to pass it off as truth.

[WLKjr]

291. Don't mind the outbursts

This is just how DU is, one big heated discussion/argument/debate 24/7 with no holds barred. If you can handle it you will fit in fine.

[uberSub]

347. It's the VOLUME I am worried about!

How to keep up?

Jeez...

[noiretextatique]

312. actually, this is about free speech

since his director only asked him if he posted on this site.
it seems this person may have had a problem with THIS SITE, since he never bothered to ask him what he actually posted.

[msmcghee]

349. Welcome to the ever more frenetic discussion board . .

. . at DU. As the election gets closer, you can hear the popping of minds snapping shut all around.

But - this too will pass. Hope you stick around.

:hi:

[LTR]

255. I actually agree in part

If the posting was done during work time (and IF there is a strict surfing policy in place), Misanthrope is screwed, and probably should have gotten fired.

If he's badmouthing the station on message boards, then station management may be right in terminating him.

BUT, I feel better evidence should be presented than a few message board posts.

I stated before that we should all be careful what we post on message boards. YOu neve know when information could be used against you. Our information is not safe in cyberspace.

And neither is Lane Flynn's.

FYI: I've been posting here almost a year, and have over 3000 posts. Wanna flame me? Go right ahead. I don't feel we should get paranoid and gang up on a new member.

Welcome aboard!

[ibegurpard]

260. "Our information is not safe in cyberspace..."

"...And neither is Lane Flynn's."
Exactly. Play with fire and prepare to be burned. Hope this freeper learns a lesson.

[tandot]

263. should I call the police because they want to run liberals off the road?

one of those freepers said that he would run any car off the road that has liberal bumper stickers. I have one. I guess I should inform the police, better the FBI.

The problem here is that he got fired for letting off steam on the internet. He DID NOT do anything. He got fired for something that he might not have actually done.

I would contact the ACLU and sue their asses.

[lanparty]

234. Al Franken ... et al ...

I think the Air America folks need to publicize this. These folks have pledge drives and if their listeners find out, a lot of doners are lible to be pissed.

[Frangible]

237. I emailled his manager

This is such BS.

[rumguy]

239. I could have got a wingnut fired/dismissed over the Cho incident

Remember Cho put up the email addys of all those disgusting emails she received...her email was put up at FR...

I emailed one of the perps, had a little convo. with him. I googled up his email addy. The only hit I found for his specific email address was a LUTHERAN CHURCH.

If I'd contacted that church with his hateful, rascist email I could have caused trouble for him. But you see, that's not really my style...I find the idea of doing it distasteful.

However, maybe next time I won't be so generous. I don't know. I honestly don't know if I could ever do it. There's something just small-hearted about it...

[LoZoccolo]

304. Tactically, if you do this...

...I would think it best to do it to someone who did it first - like this person we're talking about on this thread. Otherwise you just pull more people into this that weren't into sinking this low to begin with, and then they hit someone on our side the same way, etcetera. Basically the result you'd like is that everyone is afraid to do this so they don't, rather than everyone's looking to do it because some random person did it to them.

[rumguy]

314. I'm not planning on doing it

[derby378]

247. Share the news with Lane's frat brothers

http://216.239.53.104/search?q=cache:fGRBw_nAkKgJ:www.vanderbilt.edu/lca/roster.html+Lane+Flynn+Vanderbilt&hl=en

[lanparty]

306. Frat Brothers ?????

You're not serious are you???? Frats are the problem to begin with. That's where this "groupthink" freeper mentality comes from.

[derby378]

344. Information is power (n/t)

[camero]

256. Was Misanthrope's computer hacked?

I've been reading these threads and the original one by Misanthrope and I don't see where he/she mentioned where they worked just NPR. Unless the poster checked his/her profile. I would disable that part of the profile.

That said this Lane schmuck dexerves everything he gets. Including lawsuits and criminal charges for harrassment.

[jdsmith]

267. Misanthrope has revealed the city in several threads

[camero]

272. ok, just wondering

I stand by my previous statement though. This sucker should be charged with harrassment.

[Baclava]

331. ...sounds like he knew what he was getting into....

misanthrope (241 posts) Thu Jun-10-04 11:14 AM
Response to Reply #36

37. Regretfully..............


Should anything hit the fan over this (which I doubt), it would get ugly for me really quickly if the details of the incident were made public. I would likely lose my other job writing for a local independent newspaper since one of the owners of that publication used to be an ass't press secretary for Trent Lott. I also would likely become the target of public harassment since this town is SO OVERWHELMINGLY conservative and has a nice track record of animosity. In fact, we had a lynching here around the time Reagan was stirring things up in Philadelphia MS.

All of my conversation in this thread reveals that I am fully aware of the directive, my intent, and the consequences of such. It could be damning. Legally, I don't think I would have a leg to stand on. I will say that my original intention, prior to being told to honor someone with whom I have strong ethical problems, was to not mention Reagan, or the Day of Mourning, whatsoever. "If you can't say anything good..." and the like. But, what do you do when you're told you have to address the issue?

"Job offers"? I'd believe that only if I saw it since I think that standing by your principles in this world is a sure ticket to spiritual peace-of-mind and material hardship. Ostracization and ordeal are the prices to be paid for "doin' the right thing."

But, I would love the light in which it would show this town.

[camero]

352. we know Asscroft could come for us too

It's safe to speculate on that. Just because forces are arrayed against you doesn't mean you bow to them.

[Capn Sunshine]

308. I am SO pissed off by this

The people of this country that appreciate DU will appreciate this report also.

[molly]

328. HEY GUYS - read this post from our victim

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1770898

[WLKjr]

340. hear that?

keep everything saved!

[Moderator]

354. Locking.....

Locking due to size. Please continue here:

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