I am ashamed to be part the the Homosexual Community.

[freetobegay]

I have had it! I cannot believe the assholes that are defending Reagan! And blaming AIDS on ourselves & that Reagan had nothing to do with it! What the Fuck?

Sorry to be ranting, I just cannot believe the self haters we have in our group. it's disgusting! I get chastised because I said that Reagan did not do enough to help in the early stages of the epidemic.

I wished I could provide a link, but it is a members paysite.

I am so upset over this that I just want to cry! It's the Gay community that is trying so hard to stop the spread of AIDS. I can't take this shit anymore!

[ArkDem]

1. The CIA under Reagan developed AIDS to attack the

worlds gay community and the poor.

[Th1onein]

4. I think you might be right........the Hepatitis vaccine........only to gay

young men........then they started dying.....

[AntiCoup2K4]

12. Yep. It was the Hep vaccine, and the small pox vaccine sent to Africa...

...at about the same time. And not coincidentally, both AIDS outbreaks happenned at about the same time, a few years later. And the only connection that could be made between the two populations, is that each received a vaccine from the CDC.

[Yupster]

32. Hold on just a minute

:tinfoilhat:

Okay - go on.

[kofijoe]

11. Oh please....

[BOHICA06]

14. Since it has been traced in the US back

at least to the early 70's - I think we can put tinfoil alert on this one:tinfoilhat: Might be the CIA but Reagan was out of the loop.

[Warpy]

23. Rubbish. That's been debunked so many times

that it isn't even a funny story any more.

I'd suggest you get educated about this virus and where it really came from. The CDC is a good place to start.

Believing stupid conspiracy theories rather than the truth is the type of thing that keeps you ignorant and at risk. Get educated.

[Th1onein]

35. Educate me, Warpy? Tell me where it has been debunked?

No sarcasm here. I just want to learn the truth about this.

[fertilizeonarbusto]

2. Don't be ashamed of all of us

Just be ashamed of those gutless, sentimental morons. And, relax, the Reaganfest is about over.

[Jack_Dawson]

3. You can't blame AIDS on any one person

It's too complex of an issue for that, dontcha think?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

16. aids is not the fault of one person

but ignoring it because it was an issue that effected a community reagan did not like was his fault.

he treated as a cure not as a disease

[AntiCoup2K4]

5. Is this more from the self-hating LCR's ?

Or is it one of those "cured" homosexuals religious reich group?

[Warpy]

25. I was wondering that, myself

Self-loathing homosexuals, especially the still semi-closeted ones, are among the worst of the right wing, always have been. Their loathing of that part of themselves they see as "feminine" spills over into a loathing of women, and a need to oppress. I'm beginning to think all neocons are latent as hell. They certainly take no joy in any sort of sex.

Repressed people suck the air and light out of wherever they happen to be. They try to suffocate us all.

Imagine the ugly little world they inhabit. Pity them. Just march them back to the lunatic fringe where they belong, let them worship their fascist icons in peace while we joyfully claim who we are and take our country back.

[stopthegop]

6. there is plenty of blame to go around for the way

people in all areas responded when AIDS came to light in the early 80's...no involved group is blameless

[wryter2000]

7. Are lots of people saying that?

Maybe it's just a small minority? :shrug:

[Worst Username Ever]

Don't ever be ashamed

[Mikimouse]

8. Deeeeep Breath...there are blind people in every group...

don't let it get you down. For each person who engages in victim blaming, there are ten who do not, and I think that it especially applies to the AIDS issue. Most of those who have any experience with the disease have nothing but sadness and sorrow associated with it. Take heart, you're among friends here.

[Lex]

9. Being gay doesn't make us monolithic in viewpoint.

Being gay is just one aspect of a person.

We are smart, stupid, rich, poor, working, jobless, republican, democrat, blue collar, white collar, union, non-union, funny, nerdy, young, old, sophisticated, unsophisticated, and sometimes some of us are CLUELESS. And some of us care deeply about politics and some could not care less.

Don't let it get you down. Just work hard to inform those who need a little informing.

That's my take anyway.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

10. love, not all of us defend reagan

i for instance think that the silence over AIDS and the rabid homophobia of the Reagan admin was disgusting. i cannot believe people are shedding tears over his death when he let thousands of gay men die w.out shedding any tears over them.

think about it this way: there are far fewer republican in our community then in others.

[kofijoe]

13. As has been said umpteen times...

in various contexts on this board, "there are wackos in every community". Don't let their self-loathing delusions bother you. Be proud...

[Kikosexy2]

15. Hold on..

baby! as a happy homo myself... are we talking the whole gay community or are we talking about the oxymorons known as the Log Cabin Society?? You know them--they're gay and Repukie!! Still trying to comprehend how that equates really. Anyways, I believe there will be protesting and candlelight vigils over Ronnie's AIDS neglect and gays will be honoring those who died of AIDS during the "Bonzo" presidency. So don't fret luv--the majority of us despise Blake and Alexis Carrington...I mean Ronnie and Nancy! In my eyes God gave Ron and Nancy their payback in a big way for his negligence over AIDS--it came by way of Alzheimer's and Bozo Bush's refusal of stem cell research. Payback is a bitch, ain't it??

[RandomKoolzip]

17. I was at a Mexican Restaurant the other day in Chicago.....

And my wife and I were sitting adjacent to a table occupied by a gay male couple and a lesbian couple. (I know they were gay because of the very public displays of affection they were making, BTW.)

One of the men started going on about how great Reagan was, and how Nancy "held herself with such dignity"....also about how The Democrats on TV "made themselves look like fools" trying to "bring him down." The friends at the table all nodded their heads in agreement.

I simply could not believe that the man who acted as though AIDS did not exist throughout the first seven years of his presidency, who was friends with Jerry Falwell, who despised homosexuals and made sure we all knew it, could be revered by ANY gay man or woman. Have the magnetic poles shifted in the last few weeks or something?

[rawtribe]

18. No one's defending RR

on Sirius Outq give it a listen you will feel better.

http://www.siriusoutq.com

[noiretextatique]

19. those people are collaborators: don't claim them

because they certainly don't claim you (unless it's convenient for them to do so). claim there folks instead:

O8) Manuel
O8) Mario
O8) Andy
O8) Ulysses
O8) Bill
O8) Christopher
O8) Jerry

rest in freedom, guys :cry:

and a shout out to my cousin Rosalyn, still living with AIDS :loveya:

[ezee]

20. Have you read Andrew Sullivan's' Blog of Wed. and Thurs?

I feel the same as you. By Regan not talking about it hampered the awareness and concern that this nation should have had. Thus, he allowed attitudes to prevail to perpetrate the lie that it was a "gay " issue only.

[Cheswick2.0]

21. you are hanging out with the wrong gay people

Go find some liberal friends.

[the Kelly Gang]

22. having sexuality in common unfortunately means little now

..I have gay friends saying the same..they are being attacked by right wing gays..just think Roy Cohn, Hoover etc and all those closet queens..it's no different than Southern State poor voting for Bush..the very person who will take all from them

[Vickers]

24. You're gay?!?!?! Holy shit!!!!!

You think you know somebody.







:P

[bigwillq]

26. Don't ever be ashamed to be homosexual

Be proud.

[northzax]

27. surely, the gay community does more

and had done more in the past 20 years to stop the spread of HIV in the US. no doubt.

but let's not forget that the virus was able to spread quickly in certain parts of the gay community due to the prevelance of unprotected and often anonymous sex. it is not fair to place the blame for the spread of HIV solely on anyone, without sharing that blame among all the groups that had something to do with it.

The government wouldn't deal with HIV, but then the gay community didn't react either until it had reached epidemic proportions. Why did it spread through gay men first and fastest? lifestyle choices. Why then did it hit the intravenous drug community? lifestyle choices. Why is it now spreading fastest through heterosexual women? lifestyle choices. too many people sticking things in their bodies, or their bodies in others, without taking proper precautions.

yes, there are certainly victims of HIV who share no responsiblity in the spread of the disease. Rape victims, those exposed through other methods, those who were unlucky enough to have latex failute. those with cheating spouses. But if you have ever had unprotected sex with someone you don't trust intimately, you share some of the blame (as would I)

Let me make it clear that those exposed to the disease first, before there was knowledge of transmission have less of the blame, they had less of a chance to make an educated choice on the matter.

second, this is in no way intended to impugn vitims of the disease at all. I firmly believe in increased funding for prevention, treament and research of HIV. Someone, somewhere much smarter than I will find a way to stop it. But, like smoking, most HIV cases are related to lifestyle choices. You smoke long enough, you're getting lung cancer. You fuck enough people, eventually you'll be infected.

Want to seriously reduce your chances of lung cancer or emphysema? stop smoking. want to reduce your chances of HIV? use a condom, or reduce your sexual activity. we should, we must continue to increase funding for research and treatment of both diseases, but neither are completely random in who they strike.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

28. lifestyle choices

i just wanted to say that hetero men would have just as much anonymous unprotected sex as gay men did if women gave them half a chance. women in most societies are raised to disapprove of anonymous/casual sex. men arent. this is not a gay man thing as much as it is a man thing.

when AIDS was still GRIDS people were still unsure as to how it was being spread, it is unfair to blame gay men as they did not know what was going on. part of the silence maintained during that era was the fault of the homophobia of the reagan administration.

[Kikosexy2]

30. FYI..

some heteros or as I like to call them "bi-curious" men still do! Homos know this for sure.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

29. i am very proud to be part of a community where only 25% of us

are disgusting...

[PATRICK]

31. The real divide in the human race

is moral and psychological- not any other type of race, creed, gender or any social affiliation. It just makes matters hopelessly confused and complex when other factors rally people along other fault lines.

That is to the benefit of sociopaths who are always in the distinct minority. And unlike the general, decent but hapless masses, they know it.

Even the blacks who have to wear their social struggles openly can be corrupted by the right, by money, be hate and lies and most of all putting themselves beyond responsibility to their fellow man. Like union guys who get modestly affluent and inert. Like the oppressed who get drawn into hate and violence. The temptations to join the amoral, stupid few can be materialistically, emotionally great and no group is immune. In fact minorities can see it as an escape route instead of the enemy camp.

[boobooday]

33. They must be the minority

You know how it is -- the right wingers tend to be the loudest because they know their only hope is to drown out all voices of reason. And the people who hate Reagan are faced with being drawn and quartered for offering even the tiniest criticism of him right now . . .

http://www.wgoeshome.com

[WLKjr]

34. I can see them for what they are

and they are a bunch of uncle tom's who hate themselves for being gay and try to become republicans.