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soup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 06:09 AM
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Would you vote for a bi-partisan Presidential ticket?
C-SPAN
Washington Journal question this morning. Anyone else watching?
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 06:12 AM
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1. Yes, I am.
I think there are other issues to discuss than this no-where crap.
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soup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 06:15 AM
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2. Why do they keep bringing it up?
Makes no sense to me.
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Speed8098 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 06:15 AM
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I agree
"I think there are other issues to discuss than this no-where crap."

This is never going to happen and I wish people would stop beating the proverbial "dead horse"
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Rebellious Republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 06:20 AM
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4. I agree 007..................
No, John Kerry is not going to run with John McCain, it was a calculated political ploy, get it!

No, John Kerry is not going to run with John McCain, it was a calculated political ploy, get it!

No, John Kerry is not going to run with John McCain, it was a calculated political ploy, get it!

No, John Kerry is not going to run with John McCain, it was a calculated political ploy, get it!

No, John Kerry is not going to run with John McCain, it was a calculated political ploy, get it!

No, John Kerry is not going to run with John McCain, it was a calculated political ploy, get it!

No, John Kerry is not going to run with John McCain, it was a calculated political ploy, get it!

:argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh:




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never_get_over_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 08:49 AM
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28. Help me out here
And what was the ploy to get repunks to like Kerry or the undecideds because the thought of McCain running with Kerry has made me see red -I have sent Kerry money and am moving to FL soon and planned to help in the campaign - but now I am having serious doubts about either sending more money or volunteering in the campaign - however once I calm down I may get over it enough to volunteer in the campaign anyway just to be rid of Bush - but you know I'm voting against Bush and not for Kerry and that is sad.
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 11:46 AM
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38. If you "dare" say "What??? I don't think McCain should be
MENTIONED by Democrats as a serious consideration to be Kerry's running mate," people here go nana banana calling the questioner dumb for not understanding the nuances of A BRILLIANT political move by Kerry.
I do not consider this a brilliant political move. But since I have decided to vote for Kerry as a WBWCDB (Warm Body Who can Defeat Bush) I am not going to QUESTION this issue here in DU anymore. It is not worth my breath or DU's thread space.
But Kerry must be careful. "Appealing" to the middle might backfire, alienate his base, and provide more ammunition for the RW to say there aren't enough good Democrats so Kerry has to pander to the RW to be able to get a decent running mate.
And trying to create even the impression of a ticket that seems designed to represent a different party (RightMiddle Party?) as a single party in America... well we already have a push for a single party, the RW party.
AGAIN, my vote is not in contest. I WILL VOTE FOR WBWCDB.

But just HYPOTHETICALLY if Kerry had been serious, Kerry/McCain were elected by a "bi-partisan" landslide, Kerry croaks for some reason, do we end up having elected a REPUG????
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mandyky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 06:15 AM
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3. I am and I would support a bi-partisan ticket
Whaateever it takes to try to heal this country.
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DoktorGreg Donating Member (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 06:25 AM
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6. This is the time for recrimination
The republican party and its members have shown themselves as untrustworthy of making decisions, or holding office in security areas. They must never again be allowed to commit the type of atrocities they have committed the last 4 (some would say 10) years. The profound and repeated nature of the "mistakes" made during the Bush admin is to much for me to accept as incompetence.

We can begin the healing process after the top 20 or so republican officials are in jail, and not a moment before.

Anyhow, a Kerry with republican ticket is a sure loser, and will invite chaos at the convention.
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 06:38 AM
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11. Why does a hawkish VP like McCain improve the ticket?
Edited on Sat Jun-12-04 06:39 AM by punpirate
Let's be plain about this--McCain is pro-military, and what's gotten us into trouble, ever since WWII, are those people who would rather support the military than the ordinary people.

Why on earth do we need militarists to win in this country? To appeal to McCain in the belief that that's the only way to win is to admit that the DLC is right--and they aren't right.

Besides, it's very simple. McCain isn't going to do it--he's a highly conservative Republican. He's not an asset--he's a liability.

Heal this country? That's the result of propaganda, purely and simply. The right is trying to kill us. McCain is not moderate--he is heavily conservative. He's not a friend of the people. He's a friend of the moneyed right (McCain-Feingold be damned--that legislation ended up being to the right's advantage).

Remember the words of Grover Norquist: "Bipartisanship is the equivalent of date rape." By that, he means that Democrats are to be lured into believing bipartisanship is advantageous, whereupon the right wing rapes them.

If nothing else convinces you of McCain's liability to getting Bush out, remember this: Rove created several campaigns to destroy McCain in the 2000 primaries (putting out the meme that he'd lost his mind during captivity, and then, in South Carolina, putting out the rumor that he had an illegitimate black child). Did McCain expose Bush and Rove for the slimy bastards that they were? No. He shut his mouth, and then campaigned for Bush when Bush won the nomination.

McCain is not the answer. Never will be. Sorry, but to my mind, whether he's a war hero or not, he doesn't have the character to be a small d democrat. He's not interested in the ordinary people. Never has been. Why? Because he's aligned himself with the Republicans consistently. Still does.

Give it up. McCain is a highly conservative Republican, and, by definition, isn't a big D Democrat, and isn't a small d democrat. He can't heal this country because he's married to the party that has torn this country apart for reasons of power alone.

Give it up. It's a fiction. Republicans hurt--they don't heal. McCain is a Republican.



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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 06:21 AM
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5. Zell Miller's name came up and I knew it would!
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 06:29 AM
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7. Sure, a Dem-Green ticket would be fine with me n/t
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daveskilt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 06:31 AM
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8. Nice!! but I would vote for a Kerry/michael jackson ticket to oust *
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 06:45 AM
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12. So would I if..
michael jackson isn't a Republican. I'd rather have 4 more years of the idiot then a split ticket.
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soup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 06:33 AM
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9. Ah, see! There you go.
I like that.
Why are they expecting us Dems to lean further right?
Talk about 'healing' the country. Did we break it?
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 06:49 AM
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14. If they want to heal the country they should
Edited on Sat Jun-12-04 06:49 AM by Radical Activist
pick an african-american as the VP nominee. That would mean something. Especially if its a hero of the civil rights movement like Congressman John Lewis. The increase in turnout in african-american communities would be enough for Kerry to ignore right-leaning swing voters and still win in a landslide.
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 11:32 AM
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34. Now that I agree with wholeheartedly
Just not sure who we could get that would pass major scrutiny. The young Mr. Ford is way to right leaning for me and most others are so far left they would be crucified. Maybe Oprah.
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Beatrix Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 01:16 PM
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42. You're kidding?
So you vote for people based on skin color? You make a mistake assuming others do as well. Dems made that mistake in Texas in the last governor race. Everyone assumed a hispanic gov candidate would get the hispanic vote. News flash - it didn't work. Most people don't vote on skin color.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 04:00 PM
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43. Most people don't vote
period. African-Americans don't vote in high numbers. If you don't think nominating a hero of the civil rights movement for Vice President will make a difference in turnout then I think you fail to understand the sense of disenfranchisement among many in the black community, especially in the South. And its not just based on color. John Lewis is an inspiring figure that would gain the support of many moderate and liberal whites as well.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 04:26 PM
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46. Naming John Lewis would get me to vote for Kerry.
But, I ain't holding my breath. Naming Lewis or someone like him would take courage and principles. Both are forbidden by the DLC.
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soup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 06:37 AM
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10. What the heck was that all about?
Fox news report - Testing the Euphrates river. WMDs were there, so where did they go?
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 06:47 AM
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13. Fox reports new WMD's were found every couple weeks
Then when it turns out to be bogus they never retract it.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 06:49 AM
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15. Because the death of Reagan was supposed to bring our nation together
They saw a few "Reagan Democrats' being interviewed on TV and they thought the whole world was ready to forget the crimes and transgressions of these criminals called Republicans...
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soup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 07:35 AM
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22. Ok, now it makes sense.
An elderly man dies, Democrats lay low out of respect for a week, so we should continue in that spirit and compromise everything we stand for. Who comes up with this crap?

Sorry for the delay in response here. My son came over for coffee, so I'm not being a very good thread tender.
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bacchant Donating Member (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 10:50 AM
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32. Absolutely no bipartisan (date rape) ticket would ever be acceptable to me
It would be republican-lite at best. No thanks.
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 06:50 AM
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16. no
I have never voted for a republican and I don't intend to start now.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 07:16 AM
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17. No.
Edited on Sat Jun-12-04 07:18 AM by HypnoToad
No "bipartisan" rubbish. 8 years of Clinton showed us that bipartisanship means the Dems bend over backwards while the repukes compromise on NOTHING. Not to mention the thoroughly corrupt repuke cretins in office starting with Nixon, peaking once with Reagan, bushit 1, and worst of all, Bushit 2.

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Flubadubya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 05:25 PM
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47. Clinton bipartisanship... Dems bend over backward.
McCain bipartisanship... Dems bend over forward! :eyes:
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onecitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 07:20 AM
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18. No!
no no no no no no NO!

Well, if the other party were a Repuke, no. I might consider and independent or some other third party candidate. But never if a repuke is on ticket.
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zanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 07:23 AM
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19. Kerry would be dead or impeached within a year.
Republicans are incapable of getting that close to power and not grabbing it any way they can. We've seen it happen for three years now. When will we learn?
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 07:25 AM
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20. kerry/mccain! hooray!
boy, that'll show those pesky naderite how wrong they are about there being no difference between pooks and dems!
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buddhamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 07:30 AM
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21. depends-- Kerry and Bernie Sanders, yep!
I wouldn't vote for a DEM/Repub ticket, though.

There are plenty of exceptional DEMs to choose for VP.
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 07:39 AM
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23. yup Kerry/Saunder I would vote for
Kerry/any republican no way.
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 08:19 AM
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24. Short of a civil war time-frame, no. n/t
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 08:45 AM
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25. No - the repug would have to convert to Dem and RENOUNCE Repug party
in a very high profile way. . .

(PS there will not be a "bi-partisan" Presidential Ticket.)
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 08:48 AM
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27. the key word being RENOUNCE
I can't stress how strongly I feel about that.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 09:07 AM
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30. On National Television In Prime Time
"I didn't leave the party, the party left me. . .corruption, war-profiteering, lying about WMDs, Divisiveness, etc etc etc"

Then a big old sloppy wet embrace of the core values of the Dem Party.

Picture it, that would make for great TV!
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Beloved Citizen Donating Member (522 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 08:48 AM
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26. Yes.
And if it is true, I appreciate Kerry's efforts to try and make something like this happen.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 08:50 AM
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29. I would vote for a bi-species presidential ticket
if it would get Bush out of the White House.
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TNMOM Donating Member (735 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 10:21 AM
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31. yes. ABB. Don't give a flying rip who Kerry picks as Veep.
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 11:39 AM
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37. Just playing devils advocate: They "convenienty" kill Kerry.Pres.McCain?
That means we voted repug?
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 10:51 AM
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33. I would vote for Kerry and my houseplant as VP before I'd
ever consider giving a vote to Bush or even not voting against him.

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Bonhomme Richard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 11:34 AM
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35. I'd vote for Satan himself if he ran.......................
against shrub.
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John_Shadows_1 Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 11:34 AM
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36. Sure, as long as it's Green and Democrat.
n/t
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 11:50 AM
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39. No.
I was planning on leaving the Dem party in 2006 if it kept to it's "centrist" (read "Republican mollifying") ways. This would only hasten the decision.
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GarySeven Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 12:54 PM
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40. Here's a winner: -- Kerry-REAGAN
Since Ron Jr. ripped Bush a new one at his father's funeral service, I have seriously been thinking about this. Not only is Ronnie eloquent, he has inherited his dad's political smarts -- and he is a consumate liberal. How could Republicans run attack ads on him? It would be like commiting suicide with a rusty razor at high noon at halftime during the Super Bowl.
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Solidarity Donating Member (518 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 01:01 PM
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41. I'm Going To Vote Republicrat This Year
If Kerry Selects McCain, his favored candidate.

If Bush than selected Leiberman as his vice-president than we'd really have a choice, not an echo!

Kerry-McCain
Bush-Leiberman

Wonderful!

Or how bout a McCain-Leiberman ticket?
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kaitykaity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 04:05 PM
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44. Getting McCain on the Dem ticket would be
brilliant.

It would show true conservatives repudiate Bush, and
nearly guarantee a Bush defeat. This ticket could carry
all 50 states.

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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 04:21 PM
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45. Sure. A Dem/Green or Green/Dem ticket would be great.
Oh, but you're talking about Kerry/McCain or Kerry/Hegel.

A DINO/RINO ticket. It would almost be sure to win...but without my vote.

But, hey, who needs principles or ethics. I do believe that the DLC has outlawed them.
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wellstone_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 05:38 PM
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48. If Abe Lincoln is the Republican....maybe
n/t
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bhunt70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-04 05:39 PM
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49. yes, I would.
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