don't ask why, but tonight i'm more convinced than ever of LIHOP

[newsguyatl]

just seeing how inept bush really is at handling national situations when they're not scripted or rehearsed like has been most of his 3 years... tonight, for example, in the speech just broadcast (which was clearly done last minute as to not face a political crisis) bush looked so uncomfortable and uneasy about talking to the nation...

i know it's a big leap (maybe i'm just cracked out tonight) but i contrast tonight with 9-11... that whisper in his ear, the whole freakin thing, and i'm just convinced more than ever tonight that 'he knew'

[Cha]

1. They let it happen all right! The sooner we accept that.. the

sooner with can deal with reality! :grr:

[will work 4 food]

2. Bush

is one of the worst public speakers I have ever listened to.

[never cry wolf]

3. welcome to du

your highness.

:hi:

newsguyatl, please expound!

[mourningdove92]

4. ok, I give up, I concede defeat......please 'splain it to me.

what does LIHOP mean.....oooooohhhhh, I know I am gonna feel so stupid.

[Terwilliger]

5. Let It Happen On Purpose

with respect to 9/11

[newsguyatl]

6. LIHOP means

"let it happen on purpose"

the idea that the bush cabal was behind the 9-11 attacks, and at the very least that they knew about it beforehand

[never cry wolf]

8. thanks, but....

no, altho i have only been on this site for about a weeka and a half (week off for vacay), i have figured out LIHOP and MIHOP, as well as BFEE and a few others (not n/t though). i was hoping that you could expound on why you feel after shrub's talk that LIHOP is more viable. i.e.: because tonight he appeared so unprepared by his handlers as opposed to 9/11?

[RainDog]

9. an article, an explanation

first- welcome to you and others who are new and have posted here.

n/t means no text...as in you're only writing a subject line reply...so people don't have to click on your post to read your comment.

I posted this article on its own thread, which will slowly sink into the latter-page sunset, so I'll copy it here since it sort of fits.

http://www.prospect.org/webfeatures/2003/07/mcdermott-j-07-01.html
"The deputies of the Bush Terror Posse -- Donald Rumsfeld, Tom Ridge and John Ashcroft -- are conducting a deliberate campaign to frighten us. One facet of the campaign has, over the last 18 months, persuaded large portions of the population to rush to the stores for water, food, plastic sheeting and, of course, duct tape. The threats of impending danger are on record for the future, the administration seems to be saying. When something happens, you won't be able to say we didn't warn you.

This is just the latest and most egregious step in a fear campaign designed to prepare Americans to do whatever the administration wants us to do.

Here's how it works: Throw a hundred claims against the wall and poll every night to see what sticks. Leak stories that are later discredited. Get a graduate student's dissertation and plagiarize it. Lift paragraphs from a war-industry magazine. Every so often, raise the danger level to code "yellow" or "orange." Give the people a rest. Then start all over again. Mix it all up and put an official seal on it. Now it seems true, despite the skepticism of intelligence professionals."

[DagmarK]

29. Yeah, and now I am sure they are doing bona fide PysOps on us......

with all these freaky stories coming out...

the PAM thing.....

that story last week saying they had the blueprints prepared for an attack on NK (which hasn't even emerged again, strangely enough)

Powell is leaving; no, wait, no he isn't.

Pulling air marshals from int'l flights; nope, never were going to do that.

Just all these really freaky stories that come up and then are discredited (as noted by another poster in this thread).

And frankly,.........at this point, I am pretty much desensitized to the breaking news items, no matter how UTTERLY insane it is.

I do feel like a victim of psyops......propoganda via disinformation designed to scare us, confuse us, and make the people who are really paying attn just throw up their arms in utter frustration.

[Lastgasp]

10. n/t means "no text" . . . n/t

[Narraback]

15. A great glossary...

http://www.seattleactivist.org/DU-Glossary-AA.html

[never cry wolf]

21. thx, narraback

i have seen it before but didn't bookmark. it is now.

[G_j]

11. perhaps because

he seemed better 'scripted' for 9-11?

I don't know if he personally LIHOP but it sure looks like someone 'up there' did, but he did in fact seem less 'prepared' tonight. :shrug:


:tinfoilhat:

[SimpleMan]

7. Did you notice...

...he said he was sure it wasn't a terrorist attack? But when questioned, he basically said he had "preliminary reports," but he didn't know what happened.

Just curious...if he doesn't know what happened, how can he be so sure it wasn't a terrorist attack?

Then it dawned on me...

He knew it wasn't a terrorist attack, because no one briefed him on it before it happened. :)

[Pastiche423]

14. Or

He knew it wasn't a "terr" attack because he and his enablers had not planned one for today.

[catzies]

23. Welcome to DU, SimpleMan!

:hi:

Notice how poetic it sounds, too "9-11-II," if you read it as "Nine-Eleven, Two."

A sequel.

And we all know they always try to outdo the original. :tinfoilhat:

[Catshrink]

12. If it'd been planned, his handlers would have had him sober

and better scripted. That performance was so pathetic.

[SammyWinstonJack]

13. LIHOP?

More like MIHOP! Well first MIHOP and than LIHOP! Just the thing this crummy criminal misAdministration needed to put forth their previously thought out, planned out evil plans! When will the sheep in this Country wake up? and realize that this gang in the WH are nothing more than murderers and thieves? Out for their own good and nothing more! I am sick and tired of the patriotic BS of supporting this non-elected regime!

[TomNickell]

16. Seems perfectly reasonable to me. Sure.

Right. The lights go out, nobody knows why.

That -proves- Bush (and therefore much of the FBI and CIA) had detailed info about 9/11, but made a policy decision not to do so.

Right. That's convincing.

[newsguyatl]

18. i can

tell you're a newbie :eyes:

oh yeah, and bite me. how 'bout that for convincing? :shrug:

[hang a left]

31. most definately MIHOP!

[hang a left]

19. You need to do some

investigation on your own. Used to thing LIHOP, now I am sure it is MIHOP.

[TomNickell]

25. I've seen the 'evidence'

Most raunchy pile of horseshit ever piled up.

Except maybe the 'evidence' of Clinton drug rings, Black Helicopters, Ron Brown Murders, and International Jewish Conspiracies.

Let's leave this crap where it belongs--among the festering piles of the Paranoid Right.

[stickdog]

30. You haven't investigated shit.

Start here:

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/

See ya in a month or two.

When you get back, you can try to explain why (supposedly) not a single fighter was even tracking Flight 93 when it crashed on hour an 53 minutes after the first signs of trouble.

You can also try to explain why nothing about 9/11 has been investigated other than Congress asking a few BushCo flunkies what they think happened.

You can also try to explain why the Secret Service allowed Bush to endanger the lives of hundreds of schoolkids by hanging out at a scheduled public appearance just 5 miles from an international airport for well over 30 minutes after the SECOND plane hit the WTC.

One thing is perfectly clear: If it wasn't LIHOP or MIHOP, it was complete and utter incompetence at its most inconceivably Keystone Cop-ish.

[Capn Sunshine]

32. Also read up on THIS

http://www.rememberjohn.com

Pile of horse shit huh? Is that how you view the accusations the Saudis might have had something to do with it?

Where's the investigation? They were more comprehensive with Clintons penis, and they spent ten times the money .

[sendero]

20. the whole thing...

... went right over your head didn't it? Laugh Out Loud

[newsguyatl]

22. thanks

deseo and liberalnurse for spotting the obvious... :-)

altho this poster doesn't even this much attn... i've already wasted 2 minutes 2 much on him/it :eyes:

[never cry wolf]

24. i am still a newbie

but please don't jump to conclusions. not everyone that dissgrees with all the views here is a freeper disruptor. i imagine that there are many that are just curious and checking du out. it is in the best interest of all to not turn them off, let em learn something.

[Pastiche423]

27. It doesn't sound

like that poster doesn't care to learn anything.

[DemBones DemBones]

33. You didn't quite get the nuances, did you? n/t

[nuxvomica]

17. A very canny observation

When I saw how ineffectively they handled the blackout, I knew it wasn't a terrorist attack. Sometimes, y'know, things just happen and when you're used to controlling all the unusual events you don't know how to handle the spontaneous stuff.

[leftofthedial]

26. I don't know how anyone

could believe it was not LIHOP -- OR WORSE!

[DagmarK]

28. Well, this whole thing is a big gift to corporate media........

All these stories lately about people not watching the brainwashing tube -- no doubt worries Rove bigtime. How else can he deliver the SOMA meds to the public?

EVERYONE watching the news.

Hell.....there are sooooo many things that this helps as to the repukes. No one talking about Arnie being a sexual predator. Not sure if any soldiers were killed in Iraq. Not sure if US soldiers shot innocent civilians in Iraq. Etc. etc.

[DemBones DemBones]

34. I posted news stories from Iraq that I watched on Lebanese news

(via World Link TV) if that's any help. Two Americans killed Wednesday by a bomb; note left claiming responsibility for Al Qaeda. US troops fired into a crowd of thousands of demonstrators in Baghdad, killing 1 civilian, injuring 4 others -- also on Wednesday. I'll have Thursday's news on Friday. ;-)

Haven't found out if any of this was reported here. Iraqis were protesting because US military helicopter tried to remove a Muslim religious flag from top of communications tower.

[Eloriel]

35. You guys are missing something

I think this was a set-up too. Look at post 2 in this thread http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=177323 from SoCalDem:


This is very interesting...Black & Veatch ....national power grid...

Edited on Thu Aug-14-03 05:20 PM by SoCalDem
http://www.geni.org/energy/library/media_coverage/KansasCityStar/3accbbb0_607.html

Black & Veatch proposal envisions national power grid
By DAN MARGOLIES - The Kansas City Star
Date: 06/07/2001 22:15

With the Bush energy plan emphasizing production, Black & Veatch has unveiled a $15 billion proposal to establish a national power grid and to build power plants close to their fuel sources.

The Kansas City engineering and construction company calls its strategy TAG, short for TransAmerica Grid, and says it would increase supplies and reduce prices while bolstering the nation's grid capacity and reliability. "The energy crisis is not only about generating more power," said Dean Oskvig, president of Black & Veatch's power delivery division. "It's about getting surplus power to areas that need power."

....snip.....

The Black & Veatch proposal was developed in conjunction with Siemens AG. The two companies project capital costs of $3.8 billion for the proposed transmission system and about $11 billion for the power plants. The firms began developing the proposal in late 1998 and don't have any customers yet. The TAG system would address the problem of moving bulk power across the country. Experts say current electrical generation capability is sufficient to meet demand. But existing transmission grids, which move electricity from region to region, are considered inadequate to move electricity from areas of excess capacity to areas facing power shortages.

...snip....

To get the electricity to distant customers, TAG envisions the construction of high-voltage, direct-current transmission lines connecting the country's East and West coast grids. The new lines would add 6,000 megawatts to the current 1,000 megawatts of east-west transfer capability. The current transmission system basically consists of eastern and western interconnections that meet in Texas. The grids are separately synchronized alternating-current systems.

"The backbone of TAG is a high-voltage (direct current) system to move large blocks of power around the regions," Oskvig said. "The current grid is being used to move chunks of power in ways it wasn't designed to do. ... With TAG, if there was excess power-generating capability in the eastern U.S., and the western U.S. needed power, we could get it there."

Black & Veatch and Siemens pitched TAG in April to the energy task force headed by Vice President Dick Cheney. The proposal dovetails with a recommendation in the Bush administration's energy plan, unveiled last month, to look at the possibility of establishing a national grid and to identify measures to remove transmission bottlenecks. Right now, TAG is an idea in search of a customer. And it is not clear the idea would win universal acceptance.

...snip....

Oskvig said the technology underlying TAG was not exotic.

"What we're talking about is the first leg of an interstate superhighway

===============

Now, nearly the first words out of Bush's mouth on the subject were "we have to upgrade the power grid." Ditto Bill Richards (friends with the energy companies), ditto Mario Cuomo, and probably also Bloomberg (didn't pay that much attention to him, or Pataki).

Maybe it is just a coincidence.

But I was amused that at first they ascribed the problem's origin to a "lighning strike" at the Niagara Falls facility. But oops, no, AccuWeather piped up and said, "Uh, no lightning strikes in that area." Then, after a fairly good delay, I thought, they switched to "a fire" at the Niagara Falls facility. I'll be REAL interested to hear if there is any more info about that fire. The less info, usually, the more complicit certain players in this administration are.

Eloriel

[fabius]

37. Black & Veatch - Enron Connection

I have on good authority that B & V and Enron were trying to put together a deal to privatise and take over the City of Portland (OR) Water Bureau. This was about 3-4 years ago before the Enron collapse.

So if you think of anything Enron would do, it is conceivable that Black & Veatch would do it too...

[LEFTofLEFT]

36. Why?

:)