Anyone think Gore should pipe down?

[quinnox]

I just read in Late Breaking News that Gore gave another fiery, crazy-eyed speech and I think it might be hurting the Dems.

Gore seems to be making a caricature of himself and is coming off as an ultra-sore loser or something, not to us but to folks who aren't that political and might prove to be the difference in votes for the elections.

It's like, "Oh boy, there goes Gore again screaming his head off"

What do you think?

[gottaB]

1. Hell no

Gore speaks sense. The detractors come off as crackpots.

[bpilgrim]

188. we need MORE dems speaking out ------------------------- nyu mp3

http://news.globalfreepress.com/mp3/airAmericaRadio.com/gore/gore_nyu_05-28-04.mp3 - 22.2M

a briliant speech that my family and i enjoyed very much... a MUST listen.

psst... pass the word ;->

peace

[AP]

2. Does anyone know what motivates Gore?

[Eloriel]

19. Yeah. The TRUTH. And exposing the fascists in Washington

And trying to help give the Dems a spine. And perhaps normalizing the awful truth (that we're fast approaching a totalitarian, fascist state). And so on.

Try it some time. You might like it.

It's for damn sure better than living in fear that we can't speak the truth because "they" might say bad, nasty things about us. Sheesh.

[Generator]

147. YEAH! It's just too bad if they are scared of Al Gore.

Fuck 'em if they can't handle the truth. Why are the Dems always their own worst enemies?

AL GORE IS NOT THE ENEMY, PEOPLE.

Now, figure out who is and do what must be done. Thank you.

[crossroads]

186. Hear hear!

:yourock:

[Zorra]

149. Bu bu but, if we tell the truth, the republicans might get mad at us, and

say bad things and get the media to tell more lies about Democrats.

And rolling over like submissive puppies has worked so well in the past.

Al Gore should be a "good American" and not question our fascist leaders, they know what is right.

(sarcasm off)

Say it loud, and say it proud, President Gore.

32. Guilt?

for not speaking up sooner?

Just a thought.

Henry Adams?

His cousin, Gore Vidal?

[Cheswick2.0]

95. He's been speaking up for years

have you been out of the country?

209. out of the country- -- maybe metaphorically

Hi Ches!
I agree he's been speaking up for years, but I do think that the past year or so he has gone on a particular tear. I also think that in his presidential campaign, he didn't really get going until towards the end.

These are subjective impressions of course. That's kind of the point of my post though -- guilt is both objective and subjective. I certainly didn't mean to imply that Gore is guilty, even if he might feel guilt. Does that make sense? Whatever the objective facts are, I have a feeling that Gore himself, might wish he had been more in gung ho mode at an earlier point.

[madfloridian]

71. He is speaking the truth. Some politicians don't have the guts.

That is what he is doing.

[Cheswick2.0]

93. yes he isn't a spineless IWR voting, NCLB enabling DLC idiot,

go along to get elected stooge, like half of the people who ran in this years primaries.

[AP]

Clinton said that Gore was the person in his cabinet most eager to start

a war with Hussein on any pretext.

Stiglitz also (subtley) paints a picture of Gore as a telecoms deregulator who often sided with corporations. He portrays Lieberman as suck-up to the accounting industry.

Gore REALLY confuses me.

[Cheswick2.0]

158. I don't believe that

[AP]

180. Clinton said it on CSPAN just after Gore made that statement last fall

about Iraq.

He said, "I should be careful about what I say because I haven't read Al's statement and I didn't see the tape, but..." and then he proceded to say, in a gentle way, that Al was a forceful advocate for taking action in Iraq based on the intelligence they had at the time.

[sangh0]

215. And Gore has described himself as the biggest hawk in the Clinton admin

but some think he's a pacifist simply because he opposed the invasion of Iraq.

[2Design]

107. same thing that motivates Dean

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[Malikshah]

57. Lordy lordy

I'm getting shades of the primary season ALL over again.

This is one of those lovely threads that just get people riled up.

Shhh, Gore. Pipe down. Don't mess it up for Kerry, now....Shh. You just hush Gore. Zip it.

kerrykerrykerrydeanissatankerrykerrykerry....

Sorry, I was just channeling folks from the GD Primary season...

[quinnox]

60. Maybe so

But I am not going to be silent when I see a rude response like they gave!

[Malikshah]

66. Rudeness is relative

Rudeness could be defined as starting a thread to suggest Gore pipe down.

Rudeness could be defined as responding to a post from someone with a Dean Avatar in a "consider the source" writing-the-person-off manner.

Rudeness is as rudeness does.

Rudeness is such a relative term. :)

[killbotfactory]

67. You said Gore should pipe down.

Since Gore speaks for a lot of us, your initial post can be considered rude.

[madfloridian]

69. Amen to that. Gore speaks for us.

:hi:

[bhunt70]

145. I agree, it was rude.

[Cheswick2.0]

168. oh well

I'd say it was rude to post right wing talking points about Al Gore. I guess we can both get over it huh?

[bhunt70]

182. sure, if you think every disagreeing point is a RWTP

[Forkboy]

183. in this case they are

:shrug:

[ibegurpard]

74. Funny, that's what all the right-wingers say

whenever a Democrat says anything even remotely passionate against the radicals that control the Republican Party. You see, they like to use decent people's innate desire to be polite as a weapon to keep them docile. Perhaps you should stick to tea parties.

[quinnox]

75. There you go again

WTF? Tea Parties?? Now I am amused. First of all, I'm a guy, tea parties ain't my thing. Second, it is lame to try and make an excuse for a rude response by comparing me to a damn Republican.

Just apologize already.

[ibegurpard]

77. Please hold your breath

waiting for my apology.

[Name removed]

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[RetroLounge]

137. "There you go again"

Channelling the Gipper again?

RL

[Malikshah]

76. Strangely, your site name apologizes for you :)

Love it-- that Dean avatar will get you every time in the minds of some. Lovely

[0007]

87. Then call me rude also! Cuz I think your out of line.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

208. i also think you're outta line & should "pipe down"i must be churlish too!

[Forkboy]

124. LMAO

well said.

Can we get this great "unmasking" over with already? ;-)

[Cheswick2.0]

171. The Grand Unmasking Ball?

Unfortunately we have to wait for Nov.

[Forkboy]

178. I'm tempted to start some kind of pool

We all can pick one or two DUers we think are Freeps in disguise :)

[crossroads]

192. Sounds like fun...

I've run across a few... it would be great to expose them...
:headbang: :yourock:

[Stephanie]

194. I second you on that

There's been an infiltraton and now pg 1 of GD reads like a list of RW talking points, posed as a question.

[robbedvoter]

4. Zell, Ed Koch, Joementum & rest of the GOP-ers - STFU! real Dems

like Gore - please speak up!
And you - stop taking advice from the enemy.

[maggrwaggr]

5. No, I think the media should fucking SHOW the speeches

rather than just reporting "Gore just gave another crazy speech"

[tom_paine]

6. NO! The time for waffling and mewling and licking Imperial Boot is OVER!

The Busheviks, with their Pravda Lie Machine, will scourge him anyway. I'd rather he swung for the fences, given that.

[Bluebear]

7. I fear too many reminders of 2000

The last thing we need is a redux of 'Sore/Loserman' and the feeling amongst the politically unaware that Kerry/Bush is a referendum on the 2000 election.

On edit, I don't mean that he should be "stifled", just some concerns.

[Cheswick2.0]

101. "please sir kick me again"

They will do it regardless. It is what they do to scare people into shuting up. Buck up and join the civil war.

[madfloridian]

114. Baloney.

.

[bluestateguy]

8. No, I think that that's corporate media echo stuff

No offense to you, but the corporate media is repeating this drumbeat of "Gore should pipe down". Mind you, these were the same people who 4 years ago repeated over and over again that Gore was "stiff" and "wooden", that he lacked "conviction", blah, blah. Gore is simply saying some of the more hard-bitten things that Kerry as a candidate really cannot say.

[lovedems]

17. You are right. I saw a clip last week for Paula "barf bag" Zahn and

it said something to the effect "Is anyone listening to Al Gore?"

I was offended.

[checks-n-balances]

41. Good point! So now he's loosened up and not so stiff, they change their

talking points of criticism.

Whata buncha FLIP-FLOPPERS!!!

[movonne]

9. This is just what we were asking for....some people here

thinks Kerry should be doing some of this...it is the media that will say he is nuts.

[jus_the_facts]

10. HELL NO....there should be MORE of it from the rest of the *DEMS*...

....IMHO...the DEMS should ALL be tellin' like it is...insteade of bein' silent and up *'s ASS like they have been for the last 4 years! :grr:

[lovedems]

11. No. I think Gore is entitled to his anger. I feel his anger right along

with him.

He should be sitting in the White House. Think of how much better off we would be. Think of how many kids would still be alive and how many people would have jobs and health insurance.

He is entitled to his anger. They stole the presidency away from him and then made a mockery of our country. I am pissed right along with him.

[SlingBlade]

12. Bull Fuck He should

Had he stepped out with this kind of fire and dumped Liberman in the last election we wouldn't be getting our asses handed to us by the World now.

[trumad]

13. Sorry Pal... But "crazy-eyed speech" is a right wing talking point

And I fucking despise right wing talking points!

[SlingBlade]

22. Fuck the Right Wing

And their talking points, What Gore is saying is the God Dammed truth someone needs to step up and say it.

So fuck em

[orthogonal]

14. Gore's finally doing the right thing

Everyone said that we didn't need outrage this election, until Howard Dean showed it could be done.

Gore -- to my great surprise -- is energizing the base.

Let candidate Kerry be the voice of moderation, to get the swing voters.

Let Gore whoop up the base.

[Cleita]

15. Who said so? And, who cares what any neo-con swill thinks about

Gore's speeches? I say we need many more and the more fiery, the better. If it was Bushie channeling Elmer Gantry they would be praising him with wild adulation.

Keep it up Al and don't let them lose your fire.

[No2W2004]

16. NO!

It's amazing! What Gore is doing is how political speeches are SUPPOSED to be! It's just that speeches like that are hard to condense into media friendly 30 second sound bites, so politicians are getting less and less impassioned about what they speak about.

You think FDR didn't yell? Truman? Hell, even Nixon finger-wagged and thundered when he needed to.

[checks-n-balances]

100. Yeah - So just Give 'em Hell, Gore!

"I never did give them hell. I just told the truth, and they thought it was hell." -- Harry Truman

[H2O Man]

18. "When it is relevant,

truth has to be uttered, however unpleasant it may be." - Gandhi

Would you prefer that Gore LIE? Or that he just be quiet, because it makes some people uncomfortable? For what purpose?

I prefer the truth. I find Gore's message very pleasant, indeed!

[gottaB]

26. to finish the quote

"Irrelevance is always untruth and should never be uttered."

http://www.mkgandhi.org/philosophy/truth.htm

Thanks for that quote.

[H2O Man]

35. Great! Thanks .....

I had remembered the 1st part from a biography of Gandhi that I read back in 1983. I think the book was by Fisher, though not positive on the spelling. Your addition to it certainly fits this thread perfectly!

[proud patriot]

20. No Way n/t

[eleny]

21. Aw, cut it out!

He's not "crazy-eyed" at all. What's with you, anyway????

[Kanary]

23. This is toooo funny

For three years now we've been moaning, screaming and pleading for a DEM with backbone to stand up on his hind legs and *loudly* tell it like it is.

*Finally* we get exactly that, and now there are cries of "Hush, you're gonna upset the masses".

I guess Biden, Kennedy, Leahy and Durbin should meekly sit down, be quiet, and nod pleasantly to Asscraft, so as not to Rock The Freakin' Boat!

Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez, this is amazing......

Kanary

[in_cog_ni_to]

24. Nope!

No more nice guys. It's time to FIGHT! We need all the mouths we can get!

[theboss]

25. Gore needs a job.

I wasn't crazy about him in 2000 and then watched with my mouth agape as he blew the easiest election in history (or at least made it close enough to steal).

And now it seems like everytime the Dems get a little momentum, here comes America's "Answer to the Question that Nobody Asked" to provide "leadership" where none is required. In retrospect, the Dean campagin went South the minute Gore injected himself and now he is apparently trying to give the same gift to Kerry.

If Gore wanted to be the voice of the party, he should have run again. He didn't. And it's not his time now.

[Q]

39. Gore got more votes than Clinton...

...and don't blame Gore because the fucking Bushies committed election fraud and other felonies. That he ran a 'bad campaign' is more RWing rhetoric that seems to have worked its way into LWing ranks.

- Gore had to fight BAD advice from the DLCers AND the media...who trashed him at every turn and ignored the MANY failings and scandals of Bush* and Cheney.

[quinnox]

52. Exactly

You might get the impression Gore is running again the way he is grabbing the spotlight all the time.

He should have run if he wanted to be in the spotlight 24/7 during a presidential race.

[killbotfactory]

55. Yeah, Gore is sinking the Kerry campaign.

Bush is about ready to win this race in the biggest landslide in history.

[quinnox]

62. That is what I don't want to happen

and a fear that it might, if Gore keeps this up.

[killbotfactory]

68. He's not doing anything.

People who keep claiming he's a crazy eyed loon are doing the damage.

[RetroLounge]

143. Ooooh, lets all get ready to blame the Kerry Defeat

on Gore.

Damned crazy-eyed, internet-inventing, spawn-of-satan, clenis Jr., spotlight-hogger.

Hey Al, just knock it off already, you're making quinnox fear.

:scared::scared::scared::scared::scared::scared:

RL

[Forkboy]

150. Can you imagine going through life scared of the truth?

Kind of a sad display to see,isn't it?

[RetroLounge]

173. Sorry, sad, pathetic and not necessary...

RL

[RetroLounge]

141. grabbing the spotlight???

Yes, Gore is the oh powerful one who guides the media apotlight to him and his crazed-eyes...

And I thought Rush was bad...

RL

[madfloridian]

118. Not everything is about Kerry and the *party.* Sorry, it isn't.

.

[WilliamPitt]

27. No

[killbotfactory]

28. Raising your voice isn't screaming.

Typical fucking chickenshit rightwing spin. Attack the messenger, ignore the message. This from people who endorse a candidate who makes a mockery of the english language and seems like he ate too many lead paint chips as a child every time he's forced to stumble in front of a camera.

[Q]

29. "fiery, crazy-eyed speech"...

...Well...that's how the RWingers would describe it.

- He has every right to speak out. As an ex-VP and as an American. I realize that many Americans are not used to Free Speech actually being USED these days...but why trash Gore for giving a badly needed impassioned speech?

- In fact...one could say that America is in such bad shape BECAUSE few of our representatives are brave enough to speak out like Gore. He personifies the meaning of a 'real' patriot.

- On edit: In his speeches...he's also asking people to support Kerry. He's not only a great American...but despite the party screwing him over in 2000...he's still supporting the Democratic party.

[Fovea]

30. It will only hurt the Dems if they make him stop

Remember Dean and the energy he brought into the party?
Gore is re-igniting Dean Democrats and keeping them motivated.

Gore is firing up the base instead of running away from it-- it's this thing we learned from the Pukes...

[Pastiche423]

31. Absolutely not!

Btw, why do you put so much importance into what the right says?

[quinnox]

58. I am concerned with

the impression Gore is giving, not what the right thinks. Do you really think the average Joe Blow in the street sees Gore the same way people at DU do?

Those are the people we need to attract to win this election.

[Cheswick2.0]

104. you should be more concerned with the impression Kerry is giving

the one where he tells his base he doesn't give a damn what they think.
I'd vote for Gore in a heartbeat.

[Fovea]

123. I would hazard to guess

that the average joe blow on the street does not vote.

If we could pull the, stoploss military, the students who are watching tuition go up and aid go down, the angry, disenfranchized, long term unemployed, workers who lost jobs during the Bush misadministration, the disabled, retirees who are getting wiped by drug costs, the uninsured-- and get them fired up to vote, what Joe Blow thought would not matter.

The truth about the undecided is that they are waiting for someone else to decide it for them. Tell them what is in their best interest, and how the Bush's have been screwing them. That is the message to win them over. Don't pander to them, because they are essentially clueless.
Energize the base and get them in the street. The army of Joes will follow.

[Disturbed]

33. Mainstream Media

http://www.chomsky.info/articles/199710--.htm

[SlingBlade]

34. This is the same lame ass bull shit that

They laid on Dean, It’s fucking bullshit by a hand full of Right Wing Neo Cons and Pansy assed Liberman Liberals

Fuck em, I hope Gore continues to nail their asses to the wall, After all he deserves it, He WON the fucking election and he can say what ever he damn well pleases.

[ibegurpard]

37. "Lieberman-liberals"

Good catchphrase. I think I'll start using it.

[SlingBlade]

38. Go for it dude

I’m sick of this Nazi bullshit, Fuck em:dem:

[kodi]

36. Gore gave another fiery, crazy-eyed speech? when was the first one?

all gore is doing is telling the truth. and the major media can't stand being served their own bullshit on a plater by al gore.

i have watched his last several speeches, and he is not over the top or crazed nor ranting. that is just hype from the media.

if he had said the same things while sitting in a rocking chair doing crochet they would have still called his speech a rant

[SlingBlade]

45. Bout a month ago

He asked that Tennent resign at the time, Damn good speech, Caught it on C-Span.
Hell, fired me up, And that aint easy.

[checks-n-balances]

105. And by golly, Tenet DID resign...less than a week later!

So maybe somebody took Gore's speech seriously...it got somebody's attention!

[Jacobin]

129. Um, Tenet was one of the brakes, on Smirky

However lame it might have been. The next CIA director will be an enabler of Smirk and a liar.

Getting rid of Tenet was politically expedient for Smirk. I don't think it helped the country at all.

[Cheswick2.0]

172. Gore speaks and People listen

Remember last year when he said bush should fire his economic team and then Bush did it?
I wonder who will go next. I'm thinking Rummy.

[Katarina]

40. No

and HELL NO!

[Lindacooks]

42. NO

[Kahuna]

43. Gore spent his political capital when he endorsed Howard Dean...

No offense, but that was a really dumb move. Since that endorsement he has become a caricature. Not with me. Not with you. But to the general public out there. If they think Dean is over the top, they also now think Gore is over the top too. Flame away.

[trumad]

46. Prove it!

You simply buy into the media crap... How fucking easy.

[ibegurpard]

47. She's still bitter

Because Gore didn't endorse Clark.

[SlingBlade]

48. More Bullshit

:dem:

Gore kicked Bushes ass last time and he could do it now.

[killbotfactory]

49. Who's General Public?

How come I've never heard of this person and why should I care?

[JayS]

59. General Public is in the Army.

Works on the same base as General Apathy and Major Boredom. :)

[quinnox]

50. Yup

This is exactly my point, I agree with you.

[killbotfactory]

54. A lot of people think Saddam and Osama were dating each other

doesn't make invading Iraq a good idea.

[madfloridian]

73. Sorry, you are so wrong.

It is the beginning of many in our party getting back their souls!

It is the beginning.

[doni_georgia]

196. You got it!

For many years the Repugs were the "me too" party, and look how they gained power. They gained it by (1) sending a clear message and (2) being relentlessly passionate about it.

The average voter responded when the Repugs painted the Democrats as thieves. The Democrats can respond with exactly the same charges, and can add malfeasance, bigotry, conceit, hubris, and - most importantly - thousands of murders. Al Gore should keep on talking. We should all be shouting from the rooftops:

"THIS IS WRONG! WHAT THESE ASSHOLES HAVE DONE TO OUR COUNTRY IS WRONG, EVIL, STUPID AND WILL END UP MAKING SLAVES OF US ALL."

We have plenty of cause for righteous anger. Americans respond to righteous anger even more than lies. Al Gore is seizing the moment to start pushing the wheel that can turn the tide of public opinion. Clinton beat Bush Sr. by being passionate on his way to the nomination. Wake up and start yelling, because the house is on fire.

Mac in Ga

[2Design]

113. Isn't just great that he is over the top and WILLING to express

our anger at the events that BushCo is perpetrating on this country and the world....

Go President Gore!!!!

[stickdog]

201. The truth is "over the top."

Boring, milquetoast fucks are in style!

Go Kerry!

[Trajan]

44. Not only no ..

But HELL no ...

WHY carry the 'Gore is a crazy eyed wildman' meme for the GOP ??

WHY are you flying THAT flag ? ...

He is expressing EXACTLY what needs to be expressed ...

HE speaks for me: shut him down, and you shut most of us down ...

He isnt fiery and crazy eyed: he is full of considerate passion, and has a voice for expressing OUR dissatisfaction ...

Those who hate his message ignore that message and focus on the surrounding periphery seeking petty issues to declaim ...

[mvd]

51. No

Just like I thought Dean shouldn't have..

[Q]

56. Please tell us where the 'crazy' or 'screaming' is in this speech?

Gore also accused Bush and his administration of breaking with rules governing the treatment of prisoners of war, implicating them in the prisoner abuse scandals. “The paper trail shows very clearly that these privates and corporals weren’t the ones who suggested pulling out of the Geneva Convention,” Gore said. Later in the speech, he added: “The President of the United States ordered the withdrawal from the Geneva Convention and the secretary of defense said take off the gloves, get tough with them.”

The annual Flag Day dinner featured a roast of Kathy Sullivan, the state party chairman. Held at the Chateau Restaurant on Hanover Street, it included four hours of speeches from candidates for governor, the U.S. House and the Executive Council. Gore’s criticism of Bush spanned to the environment, the Patriot Act and Attorney General John Ashcroft, and the federal budget deficit. He stuck mostly to Iraq and foreign affairs, however, as he stumped in what’s considered a swing state for prospective Democratic Presidential nominee John Kerry of Massachusetts.

“Now in so many places in the world so many people holding out the American flag of freedom will be met with catcalls and cynicism,” Gore said. Gore also said the war has led to a “backdoor draft” with people in the service “being ordered to stay in the military even though they don’t want to.” He said the Bush administration overruled its own military estimates in invading Iraq without enough forces.

The speech was in direct contrast to Gore’s opening remarks, which saw light humor, as the former vice president poked fun at getting used to being just a citizen and the closeness of the 2000 Presidential election. “I am Al Gore. I used to be the next President of the United States,” Gore introduced himself to laughter, quipping: “I don’t believe that’s particularly funny.”


http://www.theunionleader.com/articles_showfast.html?article=39180

- These things NEED to be said...and it's damn sad that more Democrats can't muster the same kind of bravery.

[Katarina]

61. Amen!

We need every voice we can get and I for one am glad that Al Gore isn't afraid to say what NEEDS to be said! We need a thousand more like him.

[newsguyatl]

63. attitudes like yours

(ie, DLC and establishment) make me want to hurl.

hell NO he shouldn't "pipe down."


thank GOD for al gore!

[Q]

64. Well...I guess DUers answered your question...

...all but one or two say that Gore should continue to speak up and that your characterization of his speeches are bogus.

- The DLC-speak doesn't go very far 'round these parts.

[madfloridian]

65. Wow! What are we becoming as a party?

To be ashamed of emotion when our soldiers are torturing Iraqis in our name?

I know many moderate Republicans here who were proud of his speech.

You know what? Shame on us if we get so proper that we can not speak the truth and show emotion.

[Malva Zebrina]

70. No, I am not embarrassed by Al

and I think he is on the right track.

We need to say what is in our hearts. We NEED to do that as human beings

Others who take the low road for the sake of "Being elected" and "running a smart campaign" by saying nothing and avoiding issues, are handing us the SAME shit.

We as citizens of this country, and as people born into and living in a democracy, the greatest democracy in the world, do not need to accept this. We know in our hearts, this is NOT acceptable to us.

Yet, we are almost forced to.

We have to hold our noses to vote for a single candidate whom we do NOT have a trust in.

No wonder people lose faith and are actually benign and uninterested in the process.


No wonder people do not go to the poles. No wonder people do NOT trust their governm,ent, be it Democrat or Republican.

This actually may be the beginning of a revolution down the road when people are struggling more than they are now and are frustrated with their stuffed shirt, lying government, and go to their barns and take out their pitchforks and their shovels and march on Washington,in a black rage, and in spite of the black shirts with the black helmuts who would seek to strike them down to the ground, all of them--elderly as well as the young.

I may not see it before I die, but I do see something really fascist and evil ahead within the next years.

[NYCGirl]

72. Al Gore should continue to speak out

whenever and wherever he wants. He's magnificent.

Those meek, polite, politically correct Democrats are part of the reason that 50% of the eligible voters in this country don't bother to go to the polls!

[seabeyond]

78. and when any of the OTHERS that you talk about say something

about gore as an ultra sore loser, just say NO........he is pissed, like i am pissed that we have been lied to, cheated, our name dragged in the mud and our nation crumbly because of bush, and i have two boys that i want to have a better world than what we are creating for them. so NO gore isnt a sore loser, gore is MAD like i amd MAD

[seabeyond]

79. and btw you can remind them

that gore called off recount to not do damage to the nation, and after 9/11 gore stood up in front of all and said we need to support bush for what is ahead. that is not the behavior of a sore loser

[seabeyond]

80. that is a true american

a patriot, wink

[Kanary]

82. Did it occur to you.....

as we talk about the daily conversion of undecideds and republicans who are getting fed up with bushwa, that there are MANY of these people, also, who are *really* angry, and are quite upset about what is happening to their country? Do you really think it's only committed DEms who are angry?

A lot of what turns people off to politics and voting is the covering up of truth, and the constant politispeak. To have a speaker actually voice their anger and delineate the issues they've been having their stomachs churning over, gives *Them* an outlet for what is building up inside them.

Every week there are DUers posting about friends, relatives and neighbors who are more and more turning against bushwa, and are none too happy with him. Having Gore speak their concerns, and effectively voice their anger at what is happening to their country is *powerful*, and helpful to the party.

If you're laboring under the misconception that you're going to convert the freeper-types by being nice and meek and quiet, you have one heck of a daunting task ahead of you, and I wish you well.

Kanary

[madfloridian]

85. Excellent post. It is time for truth and anger at what we have done.

:hi:

[Jacobin]

83. Although I agree with 90% of what he says, he is insufferable

Which is why he only won the last election by 500,000 popular votes.

Anyone else should have been able to TRASH the moron in the WH.

Sorry. He seriously rubs me the wrong way. And I fucking AGREE with most of what he says.

[quinnox]

88. I know what you mean

I also think Gore should have won if he had been a better candidate, hell, he couldn't even win his home state. (which would have put him over the top)

[ibegurpard]

89. "he couldn't even win his own home state"

You're just a regular fount of right-wing talking points today. The "he couldn't even win his own home state" one has to be one of the most obnoxious anti-Gore ones out there.

On edit: noticing your sigline, just how would Wesley Clark have been able to do that by being the milquetoast that you seem to prefer in politicians?

[quinnox]

90. WTF

It's true, Gore didn't win his home state!!!

Do you think facts are right wing spin?

[ibegurpard]

99. Yes it's the truth...you think the truth can't be twisted?

The fact that anyone would be surprised that Gore didn't carry a southern state where political demographics have changed dramatically in the past twenty years in favor of Republicans is amazing. However, it is used as buttress by the right-wingers to legitimize a mandate for Bush.

[Jacobin]

117. Silly silly silly silly

Clinton carried his home state and several other southern states in both elections.

Hey, If you like Gore, good for you.

I think he's a putz. I voted for him, but thought he was insufferable.

Ya don't have to pretend he isn't extremely hard to listen to for a very large number of people, by pretending that its not important he could carry his home state. Its just fucking true.

[Cheswick2.0]

174. Not to mention that the voter fraud there was as bad as in Florida

Didn't that right wing talking point "Gore couldn't even win his own state" just spring from the lips of all the republican strategist at almost the same exact minute.... the minute TN was called for bush?
How Conveeeeeeeeeeeeeenient....

[Kanary]

94. Ah, so *there* it is!

It comes out...... you just don't *like* the guy. He rubs you the wrong way.

But, you see, that's OK. That's just how life is..... we are all attracted and repelled by different types, and there's nothing wrong with that. It's just how it is, and the globe keeps spinning anyway.

When it gets squirrely is when you project your own reactions onto other people, and assume that they are also going to have the same reaction you have. It simply doesn't work that way. For some reason, Gore gets your buttons, but that in NO way means he is pushing everyone else's buttons. Many fencesitters are just *waiting* for someone to tell the truth, and be incensed at the garbage that is happening in our country. They don't have the all same buttons you have, and many will respond positively to Gore's message.

It's OK that you don't care for him, and it's OK that others do. Live and let live.

I predict the sun will come up in the east tomorrow morning.

Kanary

[Cheswick2.0]

111. nice right wing talking points

been hanging out with the ditto heads much? Or is it the DLC? Same thing.

The idea that he should have won easily is DLC/ freeper (same thing)bullshit.

He got more votes than Clinton ever did.

[Jacobin]

120. You are correct about that. I thought you were wrong and checked.

I still think Gore is insufferable. I would vote for him if he ran again, because I agree with his policies. Likable, he's not for a very sizable number of people.



1996 POPULAR VOTE SUMMARY FOR ALL CANDIDATES LISTED ON AT LEAST ONE STATE BALLOT
(Updated 10/97)


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Candidate (Party Label) Popular Vote Total Percent of Popular Vote

Bill Clinton (Democrat) 47,402,357 49.24

Bob Dole (Republican) 39,198,755 40.71

Ross Perot (Reform) 8,085,402 8.40

Ralph Nader (Green) 685,128 .71

[Cheswick2.0]

176. really how odd of you too say so

more people found him likeable than found bush or Clinton likeable. :shrug:

[wellstone_democrat]

84. Stand up, be counted and defend us Al Gore

just like you should as the popularly elected President of the US.

Frankly, I really don't care what the "don't rock the boat! Don't sound crazy! be nice" people have to say at this point. The DLC and their ilk are convinced that will reel in the vaunted "soccer mom/office park-nascar dad" demographic. Not bloody likely.

BTW, if he says nothing but continues to breathe they'll find something to say about his "psyche" so relax

[0007]

86. What are you talking about. Gore is not hurting Kerry in the least.

I'd like to see Gore out there everyday.

[Cheswick2.0]

91. I think you are auditioning for Colmes job

Why would you say something like that?
Gore is telling the truth. First he was too wooden, now he is too loud?

[ibegurpard]

92. Maybe it IS Colmes.

eom

[quinnox]

96. Oh Please

You know, why I am surprised, I have a different take on Gore and I get called every name in the book by other Duer's just because they don't like my point of view.

Last time I looked, worshiping Gore is not a requirement of being a Democrat, jeezus.

[Cheswick2.0]

119. what did you expect

your original post is an offensive mix of right wing talking points and DLC inspired scaredy pants behavior.

People are hungry to hear the truth boldy stated.

[Forkboy]

130. well shit quinnox

your "point of view" is just plain cowardly and wrong.

[Borknagar]

97. aghhhh

"Gore seems to be making a caricature of himself and is coming off as an ultra-sore loser or something, not to us but to folks who aren't that political and might prove to be the difference in votes for the elections."

If folks aren't that political they shouldn't be spouting off saying anything.

[Shredr]

98. The only ones

I've heard claiming "there goes Gore again screaming his head off" are the Republicans, accusing him of going crazy. Everyone on the Left I know thinks Gore's speeches have been eloquent, vibrant, on the money and necessary.

[goodhue]

102. No way!

Kerry would do well to emulate him.

[Amaya]

103. He should definitely NOT pipe down

He should speak MORE often! "fiery, crazy-eyed speech" :wtf:

[Rebellious Republican]

106. NO! N/T

[2Design]

108. No I do not think President Gore should pipe down!!!!!

[Raster]

109. HELL NO!!! Now is the time to speak loudly...

...and who the hell cares if he comes off as a sore looser -- THE ELECTION WAS ILLEGALLY STOLEN -- Gore was the legal, true, rightful choice of the people.

Now is the time for all good people to come to the aid of their country -- and you don't do that by sitting around wondering if people are gonna think less of you because you speak out. The people who want you to sit down and shut up ARE YOUR ENEMIES!!!

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

110. I think you've been listening to the right wing

echo chamber too much.

I think he's doing GREAT.

[spanone]

112. NO. HE WON THE POPULAR VOTE DAMMIT!!!!!!

[Jacobin]

125. By one half of one percent, running against a chimpanzee

[ibegurpard]

128. Against a tidal wave of eight years of right-wing stoked Clinton fatigue.

eom

[Jacobin]

152. Clinton had higher popular approval ratings that Saint Reagan

And instead of embracing Clinton and his record, he ran away from him like a fucking idiot and embraced Holy Joe the Non-Adulterer.

Insufferable is actually too gentle a word to describe my personal feelings for Gore. Maybe ...oh, forget it.

[mzmolly]

115. Dean was "Gored, and now Gore is being "Deaned"

SCREAM ON AL ! WE HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO BE PISSED OFF AS HELL! That answer your question ?! ;)

[quinnox]

122. I gotta say

love the word play on Gore and Dean, lol.

[mzmolly]

142. Heh, us liberals can't win either way. Kerry's boring, Dean and Gore are

*angry*

I'm sick and tired as hell of letting *them* define *us* :hi:

[GingerSnaps]

116. What does he have to loose?

Al Gore can say whatever he wants to and it doesn't matter who it offends.

[madfloridian]

121. And another thing.....stop saying things will "hurt Kerry."

We are all individuals. It is getting so bad here that no matter who speaks out and tells the truth...someone says...."but they will hurt Kerry."

Wait until you see the full power of the GOP and the media released on Kerry, the way the power of the press, the Democrats, and the GOP were released on Dean.

When Democrats speak the truth, and someone says it will hurt Kerry....it makes me sick.

[quinnox]

132. Look, the most important goal to concentrate on now for

The Democrats HAS to be Kerry winning in the election, like it or not. That is the number one goal, and if Gore is out there making a fool out of himself it reflects badly on Dems. Maybe it is not what a lot of "Dean Democrats" want to hear, but that is a reality that I believe is taking place.

[ibegurpard]

133. Sorry to poke a hole in your "reality"

but it's not just "Dean Democrats" that are taking issue with your statements.

[quinnox]

134. Yea, well, a great percentage

are, I recognize several names from the candidate wars days on this thread.

[RetroLounge]

151. and here's another one.

who recognizes the enemy.

Gore isn't it...

So if anyone should shut the fuck up, it's crazy-eyed, pansy-ass, lieberman-liberal, DLC wimpy fucks who are scared to death to offend anyone just in case they might not be liked.

Well, hell, fuck them and the moderate horse they rode in on...

RL

[Malikshah]

135. No doubt this will be deleted, but

There's a pattern going on here with the attacks on "dean democrats."

It goes back quite a bit--and it's useless to argue reason -- I mean, the temerity you exhibit by *still* having a Dean avatar. :)

It appears that Howard Dean seriously piddled on someone's Wheaties some time in the past.

Well spoken, nonetheless.

[madfloridian]

139. Yes, he did indeed, and he still is.

Don't worry, you can say anything about Dean here. It won't be deleted.
:hi:

He continues to do just what you said. I hope he will continue, too.

[Malikshah]

146. The Dean issue won't cause deletion

pointing out an obvious pattern of action and general persnickityness towards apparent Dean supporters could possibly :)

[quinnox]

144. I see no reason why your post should be deleted

And if anyone thinks this is by extension a grudge against Dean, they would be wrong.

I respect Dean and have changed my opinion 360 degrees since I have seen his behavior after the primaries.

I even went and saw him (and Kerry) live at a rally.

What I do have a problem with are some (a tiny minority) of his supporters, who were continually rude and obnoxious during the primaries, and seem to be trying to continue that tradition.

That said, many of Dean's supporters have impressed me with their dedication.

Edited to make more clear

[Malikshah]

148. Pot meet Kettle

Sorry-- the actions belie the words here.

Dean supporters aren't here to impress anyone.
Dean isn't there to impress anyone.

He's there because he's there
His supporters support him for their own reasons.

End.of.story.

I mean, after all, some of my best friends are Dean supporters... :)

[madfloridian]

138. Is this "hush up for Kerry" time? That is just silly.

I am a proud Dean Democrat because he had the guts to call out the media, the corporations, AND the guts to say the war was wrong....and that our Democrats were wrong for voting for it.

He did not get to be the nominee, but he keeps talking...and others are starting to use his words. That is truly winning, when people know you are right.

You do not insult me by calling me a Dean Democrat. I wear the label proudly.

[Name removed]

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[Trajan]

199. You keep saying that ..

He ISNT making a fool of himself ...

Your insistence that he is means nothing ...

[John_H]

126. No, i think he should have piped up 4 years ago

[Jacobin]

156. There's a thought.

He's yelling about the building being on fire after the sonofabitch has burned fucking down to the ground.

[Q]

187. Perhaps...but he's inspiring Democrats to rebuild...

...and that can't be bad.

- Keep in mind that Gore was affiliated with the DLC during the 2000 campaign and election and they gave him really bad advice...like not to fight back or hit the streets in protest. Gore has been great since he threw off the backstabbers and charted his OWN COURSE.

[fujiyama]

127. Hell no

It's great that he's attacking Bush. If anyone has a right to attack this administration, its him. Most of his attacks have been spot on.

On the other hand, I do wish he had not got himself involved in the FL democratic senate primary.

[Forkboy]

131. Good to see you get your ass handed to you for this shitstain of a thread

:thumbsup: people!

[bhunt70]

155. yeah nice attack dogs for someone that has a different opinion.

[Forkboy]

159. yup,and damn proud of it

stupid ass opinions need to be attacked.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

164. Yep, and YOUR opinion is duly noted.

[Lex]

136. Anyone who's not screaming their head off

isn't paying attention!

Go President Gore--our first president in exile!

Tell it, brother!

[ima_sinnic]

140. oh, yeah, right, Gore should be "polite" & slink away with his

tail between his legs, keeping his head down in submission to the idiots who "judge" him. all those who speak the truth should pipe down because it "looks bad." WABOC!!!

did it ever occur to you that some people might actually admire the man for speaking his mind and saying the truth? he's saying things that need to be said and there are many "undecideds" for whom this can resonate.

hello, have you noticed, Gore isn't running for President this time.
I think those who "aren't that political" at least know they're choosing between Kerry & Bush, and Gore's not running--and fat chance that Kerry will do anything "wild & crazy," so just chill--Gore's "craziness" won't rub off on someone so staid--in fact, it'd probably help Kerry's chances if he DID act a little "wild-eyed" once in a while--meaning, fiery passion is a GOOD thing.

[bhunt70]

153. its amusing how many people here attack quinnox

for his/her views and question.

[Lex]

160. It's amusing to see how weirded out people get

when their strong opinions are met with strong opinions--they always call it an "attack."

[Cheswick2.0]

162. he asked, he was answered

what's the problem?

[Forkboy]

163. It was a stupid view and question

letting it slide would only foster that sentiment among the other cowardly people.

It's nice of you to stick up for an underdog,but sometimes the underdogs deserve the hammering they get.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

203. Isn't it amusing how quinnox

is saying the VERY things I heard Hannity say when I happened to be channel surfing tonight and caught him going on and on about how Gore is "unhinged" and was "screaming".

GUYS~ IT'S A REPUKE PLOY!! Geez, don't you SEE THIS? If they get everyone arguing about him screaming or being unhinged, then NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT WHAT GORE SAID!!!!!

Quinnox, you wanna talk about what Gore SAID instead of how he said it? Now THAT Is worth talking about!

But this Hannity line bullshit? No thanks. If you ask me we need about ten more Gores out there telling it like it is, dammit.

Screw Hannity and his disgusting ilk...you are falling for it hook line and sinker, buddy. Hook, line and sinker.

[RetroLounge]

154. Yes, Al Gore is an evil Ninja of Death

it says so right here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1789370

Bad Al...

RL

[Solly Mack]

157. It's not the people with fire and passion harming the DemocraticParty

just a thought....

[Forkboy]

165. And there it is in a nutshell

:thumbsup:

[Media_Lies_Daily]

161. Heck no...you can only have ONE elected president at a time....

...and Al should speak anytime he wants.

[BringEmOn]

166. As you were!

Apply lubricant
Bend over
Smile at the nice neocon

[Bridget Burke]

167. Another "Hell, No!"

"sore loser"

"didn't win his home state"

You forgot to mention how he "cherry picked" during the Recount.

And how he's stiff & unemotional. (Wait, that's not true either.)

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

169. I'd much rather that Kerry would speak up.

Against the war instead of supporting it. Then I might vote for him.

[Selwynn]

170. No fucking way. It's about time someone speaks from CONVICTION

[DebJ]

175. In the 1760's, people thought Sam Adams needed to 'pipe down'

revolution takes NOISE, and lots of it!

[KoKo]

177. Hell No! More Gore...I can't get enough of Gore...Let him shout his views

all over America! He deserves his place in the Sun, he is speaking out and telling what he knows and has learned since the "handlers" muzzled him in 2000!

He IS THE PRESIDENT! Let him SPEAK! :nuke:

[Forkboy]

179. I wish this had been a poll

It would set a record for most lopsided results ever!

[peacefreak]

181. Good for him.

He's absolutely unharnessed by anyone. Doesn't have to toe any line for election. He is exercising his right to free speach. Let it rip, Al.

[camero]

184. How about this. Fuck no

He should have been piping up a long time ago. Better late than never but Al always has been a late bloomer. He should keep on hammering them.

[crossroads]

185. I'll take a screaming Gore over a lying Cheney *any* day!

He is motivated, after all if $C had not $elected Bush, Gore would have not have us in this sh*t hole called Iraq now! Think Halliburton... Gore needs to yell...
:shrug:

[crossroads]

189. Gore is *not* the enemy, try to keep that in mind...

when we choose battles...
Remember, Gore *is* on *our* side...
:eyes:

[pinto]

191. No.

[Crewleader]

193. NEVER! Go Gore!

:-)

[doni_georgia]

195. As long as Al Gore keeps talking loudly

he will continue to draw the repugs' fire. This is a win-win situation for Kerry: the truth continues to be spoken, and the repugs continue to aim at the wrong target.
By forcing the sycophants of dim son to answer him, even dismissively, he keeps their eye off the ball. And if he scores points in the process, that helps Kerry by making said sycophants look even worse than they already look. And if they don't answer him and let him speak unchallenged, their silence will be easy to take as assent to his words and end up forcing a response anyway.
Keep talking, Al. We need you now as much as we did four years ago. The difference is that we know a lot better.

Mac in Ga

[mellowinman]

197. ANOTHER "crazy fire eyed speech????"

He didn't give ONE of those! Are you believing what you read in the press? Hey, don't DO THAT!!!!

Read the Daily Howler sometime about the script they run on Gore. Gore speaks the truth and "he's craaaaaaazy!"

He was "craaaaaaazy" when he predicted the Iraqi war would be a mess; he was craaaaaaaaazy when he gave that speech a couple of weeks ago; in short, if Gore speaks at all "HE'S CRAAAAAAAAZY!!!"

FUCK THAT SHIT!!!!!

Sorry; don't mean to come off harsh on you, dude. I'm sure you made an honest mistake here; but NO, AL GORE DOES NOT NEED TO COOL IT!!!!

Al Gore is one of the few Americans making any fucking SENSE right now, and he should be on TV every fucking night.

As for the pundits who want to analyze his mental state, some of them are toe-fetishists, and most of them have openly waxed philosophical about Bush being "annointed" by God.

NOW WHO'S CRAZY?????

I'll take Al Gore over those fucksticks ANY DAY.

[scared]

198. It doesn't matter what he says......

or does, they weill attack him for just being there. They have their talking points about him and they aren't about to change now.

[stickdog]

200. No, I think Gore bashers should pipe down.

He's just telling the truth.

Personally, I live for the truth, but each to his own.

[candy331]

202. Sing Gore sing! He has found his voice after having laryngitis in

2000 and I believe deep inside he regrets not speaking up then because he sees what a mess one can contribute to by being silent. If the revolution had started in Nov 2000/Dec after the SCOTUS decision perhaps the over 800 soldiers dead and 1,000's of Iraqi civilians would be alive and Americans might not be controlled and manipulated by fear.

For those who believe the Bible it says in the book of Ecclesiastes that "there is a time to keep quiet and there is a time to speak." The thing is to know the difference and I would truly say now is no time to keep silent.

[RetroLounge]

204. Hmmmm. 200 for Gore. 2 Against.

I guess Al will just keep being crazy...

Go Al! Keep pissing off the right, and a few on the left!

To President Gore - :yourock:

RL

[Hubert Flottz]

205. Gore is simply telling the truth!

You are buying the right wing reaction and spin!(propaganda)

[LWolf]

206. No. I wish

Gore would have spoken up long before this. Like in November/December of 2000, to start with.

Passion is not crazy; a passionate delivery is not screaming.

IMO, noone has a better right to speak and be heard today than Al Gore.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

207. HELL NO!!!! let my President speak! we need MORE just like him speaking!

up!

[WI_DEM]

210. Yes, Democrats should just stay quiet and passive

just like John Kerry. BTW, many democrats don't think that Gore is giving "crazy-eyed speeches" or is coming off as an ultra sore loser but he is exercising his right as an American citizen to speak out about the mess that Bush is making in this country.

[Guaranteed]

211. Yeah, maybe we should ALL just shut up and let

Bushco destroy our country.

[BeachBuckeye]

212. The only people it offends are.....

non-Democrats and Democrats with no spine. Being nice little Democrats is what Republicans are counting on. I wish we had a hundred Al Gore's speaking out right now.

[FlaGranny]

213. Interestingly,

many thought he should have given speeches like that after the 2000 theft and were very angry that he didn't. They lost all respect for him because he didn't fight hard enough.

He obviously has given up any chance of being re-elected president and is now telling the world like it is. Unbelievably, there are folks who think Kerry should be attacking the administration like Gore is now.

Since Gore isn't running, Kerry can keep his distance and benefit from Gore's tirades. In my opinion, Gore is a real patriot, having given up any chance to be president in order to try to expose the truth about the * administration.

Edit: Hopefully, the country will come around and re-elect him after Kerry's two terms. I can dream?

[spanone]

214. People telling Gore to pipe down should PIPE DOWN.

[Moderator]

217. Locking.....

This has turned into a flamefest.


DU Moderator

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